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brooklynite

(94,384 posts)
Mon May 18, 2020, 09:40 AM May 2020

Moderna says first-stage study of coronavirus vaccine produced antibodies in subjects

Source: Boston Globe

Moderna said Monday that the vaccine the Cambridge biotech helped develop for COVID-19 produced antibodies in the blood of eight volunteers comparable to those seen in people who recovered from the disease.

The company’s chief medical officer, Dr. Tal Zaks, said the initial results from the first phase of a clinical trial suggest that the vaccine “has the potential to prevent COVID-19 disease.”

Scientists suspect that antibodies found in the blood of people who recover from the new coronavirus may make them immune to reinfection, but that has not been proven yet.

A few dozen volunteers participated in the first stage of the study, but Moderna said data were available for only a small portion of them.

Read more: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/05/18/nation/moderna-says-first-stage-study-coronavirus-vaccine-shows-its-potential/?event=event12

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Moderna says first-stage study of coronavirus vaccine produced antibodies in subjects (Original Post) brooklynite May 2020 OP
Great news! Steelrolled May 2020 #1
Very good news DrToast May 2020 #2
Way out over their skis bucolic_frolic May 2020 #3
"Why so few volunteer results reported?" DrToast May 2020 #5
Is that the way Phase 1's are normally reported? bucolic_frolic May 2020 #6
I misunderstood your question DrToast May 2020 #8
From what little I know, that would be true. Steelrolled May 2020 #11
Hard to Do A Statistical Significance Test modrepub May 2020 #9
Hopeful spinbaby May 2020 #4
It's news -- it could be good, great or bad. Politicub May 2020 #7
Established in 2010, Moderna has never brought a product to market or bronxiteforever May 2020 #10
Here is the trial information Steelrolled May 2020 #12
Sure a lot of these same "vaccines coming" articles across the web... what is really going on... NotHardly May 2020 #13
The other thing is that a lot of companies working on it. Steelrolled May 2020 #15
Early trials were very promising. - Dr. Charles Nichols greenjar_01 May 2020 #14
Great news. great 1st step, getting antibodies that bind, but confirming vaccination equals immunity Baclava May 2020 #16

bucolic_frolic

(43,064 posts)
3. Way out over their skis
Mon May 18, 2020, 10:11 AM
May 2020

Why so few volunteer results reported?

What did I read? Recall no vaccine for previous corona viruses ever developed. I just think they're going to find corona to be readily mutating in small ways, and its effect on individual subjects to depend on a large, large variety of co-factors such as genetics, diet, immunity, perhaps even other symbiotic organisms (virus, pathogens, yeast, allergens, toxins, minerals, metals) present. From a vaccine standpoint, they haven't really cracked HIV after 30 years' research.

bucolic_frolic

(43,064 posts)
6. Is that the way Phase 1's are normally reported?
Mon May 18, 2020, 10:59 AM
May 2020

They report the good news patients and the rest are studied more or dismissed so as to focus on the positive outcomes?

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
8. I misunderstood your question
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:06 AM
May 2020

I thought you were asking why so few patients, but you were asking why only partial results were reported.

I'm not sure. I do know the study was being conducted at different locations. It could be that the vaccine wasn't administered on the same timeline to all the patients.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
11. From what little I know, that would be true.
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:17 PM
May 2020

Within phase 1 you start with a single person getting the actual drug, followed by a safety period of observation, and then continuing on. And there will be different groups getting different dose levels. So from the first person to the last person within phase 1, it will be some time.

modrepub

(3,491 posts)
9. Hard to Do A Statistical Significance Test
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:42 AM
May 2020

with that few a number of people IMO. But I'm not a doctor, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
7. It's news -- it could be good, great or bad.
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:03 AM
May 2020

These Pharma companies use little bits of positive news to bolster their share prices. They don't make a lot of noise about negatives, though.

As someone who came of age through the 80s and lost a friend to AIDS, I have seen so many hopeful pieces of news that turned out to be worth nothing. If you go back and search news archives (like the Times Machine for the New York Times), there are hundreds of stories about supposed promising vaccines for HIV that never panned out.

So, I'm remaining skeptical until a broad study is conducted and efficacy is proven.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
10. Established in 2010, Moderna has never brought a product to market or
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:47 AM
May 2020

gotten any of its nine or so vaccine candidates approved for use by the FDA. It has also never brought a product to the third and final phase of a clinical trial.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/us/coronavirus-moderna-vaccine-invs/index.html

Skeptical until substantial scientific proof is available.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
12. Here is the trial information
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:24 PM
May 2020
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04283461

This is a phase I, open-label, dose ranging clinical trial in males and non-pregnant females, starting at 18 years of age, inclusive, who are in good health and meet all eligibility criteria. This clinical trial is designed to assess the safety, reactogenicity and immunogenicity of mRNA-1273 manufactured by ModernaTX, Inc. mRNA-1273 is a novel lipid nanoparticle (LNP)-encapsulated mRNA-based vaccine that encodes for a full-length, prefusion stabilized spike (S) protein of SARS-CoV-2. Enrollment will occur at up to 3 domestic clinical research sites. One hundred and five subjects will be enrolled into one of nine cohorts (25 micrograms [mcg], 100 mcg, and 250 mcg). Subjects will receive an intramuscular (IM) injection (0.5 milliliter [mL]) of mRNA-1273 on Days 1 and 29 in the deltoid muscle and will be followed through 12 months post second vaccination (Day 394). Follow-up visits will occur 1, 2, and 4 weeks post each vaccination (Days 8, 15, 29, 36, 43, and 57), as well as 3, 6, and 12 months post second vaccination (Days 119, 209, and 394). The primary objective is to evaluate the safety and reactogenicity of a 2-dose vaccination schedule of mRNA-1273, given 28 days apart, across 3 dosages in healthy adults. The secondary objective is to evaluate the immunogenicity as measured by Immunoglobulin G (IgG) enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) to the SARS-CoV-2 S (spike) protein following a 2-dose vaccination schedule of mRNA-1273 at Day 57.

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
13. Sure a lot of these same "vaccines coming" articles across the web... what is really going on...
Mon May 18, 2020, 03:58 PM
May 2020

Planned advertisements of 'feel good' so everyone rushes out to hug each other. Period.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
15. The other thing is that a lot of companies working on it.
Mon May 18, 2020, 05:42 PM
May 2020

And there is a lot of money, pride, and potential fame, riding on it. For someone working in vaccines, this is probably the biggest event in their lifetime.

The Moderna trial pipeline is now full, so I expect periodic reports as the volunteers reach the testing date. As long as the results are like this one, I'll keep feeling good.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
16. Great news. great 1st step, getting antibodies that bind, but confirming vaccination equals immunity
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:37 PM
May 2020

Thats the holy grail

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