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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 12:56 AM Jun 2020

NYT says Tom Cotton editorial 'did not meet our standards'

Source: The Hill

The New York Times said on Thursday the controversial op-ed written by Republican Sen. Tom Cotton (Ark.) "did not meet our standards."

The Times published the column, titled "Tom Cotton: Send In the Troops" on Wednesday, where he argued that the president should invoke the Insurrection Act to quell protests that have sparked up across the country in light of the death of George Floyd, an unarmed black man who died in Minneapolis police custody last week.

"We've examined the piece and the process leading up to its publication," a Times spokesperson told The Hill in a statement. "This review made clear that a rushed editorial process led to the publication of an Op-Ed that did not meet our standards.

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The op-ed included factual errors that the Times has reported on, such as the claim that antifa, which is not a formal organization, is "infiltrating protest marches to exploit Floyd's death for their own anarchic purposes."

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nyt-says-tom-cotton-editorial-did-not-meet-our-standards/ar-BB153cun?li=BBnb7Kz



It is nice that the NY Times now admits that it was wrong, but this just confirms that the NY Times repeatedly fails by engaging in false equivalency.

In an effort to try to be "objective," the NY Times resorts to a cable news like approach of allowing the extreme right free reign to make shit up in order to create a false equivalency. If you are going to allow Tom Cotton, a right wing zealot, advocate using troops against peaceful protesters, you might as well give David Dukes, Alex Jones or Kellyanne Conway a column.
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NYT says Tom Cotton editorial 'did not meet our standards' (Original Post) TomCADem Jun 2020 OP
Why is it there's no recognition BEFORE publication? dawg day Jun 2020 #1
The page editor gave a cowardly, pitiful excuse. Politicub Jun 2020 #19
Fuck Off, You Rag sfstaxprep Jun 2020 #2
So why did you publish it? Fire the Editor if he can't stand up to fascism. OAITW r.2.0 Jun 2020 #3
Barring the doors after the horses have left the barn ibegurpard Jun 2020 #4
So, Did the Cancellations Get to the NYT or WHAT? Cha Jun 2020 #5
Here's an insightful take not fooled Jun 2020 #6
Excellent piece of writing! Thank you for finding it and posting it! (nt) scarletwoman Jun 2020 #10
Thank you for posting. This line describes every Rethug I've ever known..... KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #11
Great Post - Thank You. c-rational Jun 2020 #18
There are a remarkable number of complete comradebillyboy Jun 2020 #7
The New York Times is not on our side, and never was. dalton99a Jun 2020 #15
After seeing how they focused on negative stories about Hillary in 2016 BigmanPigman Jun 2020 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jun 2020 #9
K&R. Agree with what you said, TomCADem. Spot on! KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #12
Well I don't really understand the times position.. Maxheader Jun 2020 #13
"Factual errors" by ultra right nutcase. Who knew? nt oasis Jun 2020 #14
But it's important to give them a megaphone dalton99a Jun 2020 #16
Love it! How utterly true. I always tell my friends to look out the damn window for the weather... SWBTATTReg Jun 2020 #20
The comments were better thought out Mz Pip Jun 2020 #17

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
1. Why is it there's no recognition BEFORE publication?
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 12:59 AM
Jun 2020

You're right-- they try very hard to be what they consider "objective", which means having "pro-Trump."

No one can be pro-Trump and be objective in the sense of presenting and explaining evidence.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
19. The page editor gave a cowardly, pitiful excuse.
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 10:54 AM
Jun 2020

He said he didn’t read it before publication. What’s the point of being an editor if you’re not aware of what gets published?

sfstaxprep

(9,998 posts)
2. Fuck Off, You Rag
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 01:01 AM
Jun 2020

Are you going to rescind all your BS from the Iraq War too?

So glad you're on our side.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,467 posts)
3. So why did you publish it? Fire the Editor if he can't stand up to fascism.
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 01:05 AM
Jun 2020

That's Cotten's message. A confederate nazi? Maybe.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
4. Barring the doors after the horses have left the barn
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 01:09 AM
Jun 2020

How about some accountability and commitment to do better?

Cha

(297,196 posts)
5. So, Did the Cancellations Get to the NYT or WHAT?
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 01:13 AM
Jun 2020
"We've examined the piece and the process leading up to its publication," a Times spokesperson told The Hill in a statement. "This review made clear that a rushed editorial process led to the publication of an Op-Ed that did not meet our standards.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
6. Here's an insightful take
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 01:14 AM
Jun 2020

by Jack Holmes of Esquire (which also publishes the great Charlie Pierce):

[link:https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a32767317/tom-cotton-op-ed-authoritarian-rhetoric/|]

But there was also another argument in play, and it betrayed an attitude towards the rhetoric of authoritarianism that is dangerously naive. It's a variant of the "sunlight is the best disinfectant" argument, and it holds that fascist rhetoric like this should be widely and loudly trumpeted so that it can be dismantled using Facts and Logic. Throw it into the "marketplace of ideas," where its value will swiftly plummet. But this represents a comprehensive failure to grapple with the nature of fascism, which is not bound by concerns about what is true or even what was said five minutes ago. It cannot be defeated by Reason. It continually shape-shifts and changes form, rejecting previous bedrock principles in favor of their opposites whenever it is convenient. It is necessarily absurd, because it is just an elaborate costume for a very simple message: "Obey, or I will hurt you."

Jean-Paul Sartre illustrated this in 1946, a time when the world had become well acquainted with the form.

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

The bad-faith absurdity of these arguments is clear if you allow yourself to stop taking them at face value for a moment. In the case of Cotton's op-ed, he argues for military intervention to crush antiracist protests in part on the basis that the military has previously intervened domestically to enforce antiracist policies—namely, school integration. This is a farce. It is something beyond offensive or illogical. It is an assault on the mind, a twisting of first principles for degenerate ends.

Meanwhile, some insist his speech must be published in the nation's largest and most prestigious newspaper, even if it expressly advocates for the violent suppression of speech. And then, when legions of New York Times staffers spoke out to denounce the op-ed, their exercise of their free-speech rights to criticize the decision to publish was decried as "censorious" and even "a coup." What, dude? Apparently, one opinion must be blasted out to the world, even if it relies on blatant false claims in its basic premise, because it comes from a United States senator. Other opinions about how that opinion is shitty and should not be blasted out are assaults on free speech. Will the Times publish my op-ed titled, "Tom Cotton Is Fashy Big Bird"? Subject it to the Marketplace of Ideas! Or would the editors make the decision, as is their right and their duty, that the argument is based on false premises, or outside the bounds of acceptable discourse on their platform?


KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
11. Thank you for posting. This line describes every Rethug I've ever known.....
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 03:46 AM
Jun 2020
They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.


KY..........

dalton99a

(81,475 posts)
15. The New York Times is not on our side, and never was.
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 10:01 AM
Jun 2020

Their allegiance is to Wall Street and the oligarchy

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
8. After seeing how they focused on negative stories about Hillary in 2016
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 01:47 AM
Jun 2020

I have written them off. The Wa Post is better in my opinion.

Response to TomCADem (Original post)

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
12. K&R. Agree with what you said, TomCADem. Spot on!
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 03:55 AM
Jun 2020

The far right-wing already has the bully pulpit, their own cable news channel and hundreds of talk radio stations and yet still manage to get our mainstream media to participate in careless both-siderism.

That would be the power of money in the U.S.A. and nothing more.

Our newspaper of record resides far too close to Wall Street in New York City.

KY...........

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
13. Well I don't really understand the times position..
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 06:00 AM
Jun 2020

Maybe if they had said.."the guy is a rabid winger drama queen.."..

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
20. Love it! How utterly true. I always tell my friends to look out the damn window for the weather...
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 12:22 PM
Jun 2020

forecast.

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