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denem

(11,045 posts)
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 08:46 AM Jun 2020

Trump Uses 'Defund Police' as Political Weapon Against Biden

Source: Bloomberg

President Donald Trump is seeking to tie Joe Biden to activists’ calls to “defund the police” in an attempt to paint his likely 2020 opponent as weak on crime and vilify Democrats pushing for police reform, even though Biden hasn’t embraced the slogan.

Two weeks of protests over the death of a black man in Minneapolis police custody have Trump on the defensive and are giving Democrats an opening to pursue curbs on law enforcement supported by their diverse base.

But Trump is trying to turn the defunding demands into a political liability for Biden and grab the support of voters alarmed by scenes of protests, along with law enforcement groups that have been traditionally popular in the U.S.

“The ‘Defund the Police’ movement is growing in Joe Biden’s party and he is forced to own it,” said Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh. “Police organizations have noticed that Biden has abandoned them as he moved far to the left to appease the most radical elements in his party.”


Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-08/trump-uses-defund-police-as-political-weapon-against-biden





Rick Wilson was onto this yesterday, warning of a right wing trap.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213561559
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Trump Uses 'Defund Police' as Political Weapon Against Biden (Original Post) denem Jun 2020 OP
Yet, no one bats an eyelash when they actually constantly defund the schools. Jamastiene Jun 2020 #1
Ironically if they adequately funded schools IronLionZion Jun 2020 #3
Great point. Or healthcare, mental health in particular tulipsandroses Jun 2020 #5
Bravo FarPoint Jun 2020 #6
Correct! Also, increase in gun sales ArizonaLib Jun 2020 #12
traitor trump will try to use everything against biden the majority of which will be made up samsingh Jun 2020 #2
IF TRUMP..... louzke9 Jun 2020 #17
Speaking of crime didn't Trump get into hot water over some sort of scam university cstanleytech Jun 2020 #4
How many people here will be angry when Biden doesn't adopt the slogan? brooklynite Jun 2020 #7
You are right, he won't. Governor Cuomo and most Democrats do not also still_one Jun 2020 #10
Officers should be paid well, and it should become a sought after job by educated, smart ArizonaLib Jun 2020 #14
Damned straight. We don't want to 'defund' but rather deescalate. groundloop Jun 2020 #32
If he adopts that slogan, his lead will LuvNewcastle Jun 2020 #13
BIDEN IS TOO SMART.... louzke9 Jun 2020 #19
Exactly. Defund the Police is a gift to the GOP and trump. nt Kahuna Jun 2020 #40
And he shouldn't. LisaL Jun 2020 #27
Not me. I expect him to follow Obama's reform-centric approach... nt Blasphemer Jun 2020 #31
The best way to defund them is just never call them bucolic_frolic Jun 2020 #8
Should not call it "defund the police" ebbie15644 Jun 2020 #9
Absolutely. Dems, right on the substance, lose here on the labels, - once again. empedocles Jun 2020 #16
Defund Police -is a misleading phrase, better to use "Police Reset" dreamland Jun 2020 #11
I like this ebbie15644 Jun 2020 #18
WAR GEAR! louzke9 Jun 2020 #21
"Police are broken! FIX the POLICE!!!" johndaly Jun 2020 #33
Words matter. not_the_one Jun 2020 #15
Absolutely RobinA Jun 2020 #35
+1 n/t area51 Jun 2020 #38
For the sake of accuracy - find a better word. No one is suggesting defund, disband and then stop Kashkakat v.2.0 Jun 2020 #20
SO SAYS..... louzke9 Jun 2020 #22
How bout "reinvent?" De-militarize? I totally get it has to be something more then just reform or Kashkakat v.2.0 Jun 2020 #23
Reform. LisaL Jun 2020 #26
Poor choice of words. Lonestarblue Jun 2020 #24
It was pretty obvious that he was going to do that. LisaL Jun 2020 #25
RE-TRAINING Bayard Jun 2020 #28
It wouldn't surprise me if Russian bots were behind this inwiththenew Jun 2020 #29
Thank you! Lulu KC Jun 2020 #39
ON THE OTHER HAND, the value of demanding abolishment then makes the Kashkakat v.2.0 Jun 2020 #30
won't work, Idiot. America has already seen what u really are- a fraud, a liar and a pychotic freak. onetexan Jun 2020 #34
He's trying to start a fight with Biden duforsure Jun 2020 #36
Totally predictable, America is still 60% white, stoke the fears of roving gangs coming for suburbia Baclava Jun 2020 #37

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
1. Yet, no one bats an eyelash when they actually constantly defund the schools.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 08:49 AM
Jun 2020

Gee, I wonder if there is a connection between constantly defunded schools, overly funded militarized police with crackpots training them they need to be killers and "predators,"* and how many Republicans there are in this country and how Trump's approval ratings are still way too high.

*See John Oliver's latest show about that crackpot that teaches police that.

tulipsandroses

(5,123 posts)
5. Great point. Or healthcare, mental health in particular
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:02 AM
Jun 2020

I work in mental health and I am constantly annoyed with the way politicians use mental health as a political football when it suits them. Mass shooter - mental health. -
But then where is the money to take care of the community's mental health to avoid these tragedies? And by the way, most people with mental health issues are not violent. But if that is what they want to go with as to why gun violence is a problem. Well where is the money to address it?
Why are we that work in community mental health having to do more with less?
Nobody gives a rat's ass about funding cuts to these programs. But the military and police. Yup. Lets shove billions of dollars their way while cutting other essential services.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
12. Correct! Also, increase in gun sales
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:43 AM
Jun 2020

Kids get mowed down in schools. Republicans send thoughts and prayers with blocked legislation.

samsingh

(17,595 posts)
2. traitor trump will try to use everything against biden the majority of which will be made up
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 08:55 AM
Jun 2020

stuff and lies.

louzke9

(296 posts)
17. IF TRUMP.....
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:07 AM
Jun 2020

Can deny any responsibility for the spread of COVID19 in this country, Biden does not have to take blame/responsibility for the "Defund the Police" movement. Sorry Donald, you're barking up the wrong tree!

still_one

(92,138 posts)
10. You are right, he won't. Governor Cuomo and most Democrats do not also
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:31 AM
Jun 2020

www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/yahoo-news-you-gov-poll-most-americans-say-race-was-a-major-factor-in-george-floyds-death-but-opinions-on-protests-are-split-193951336.html

Asked whether they would back cuts in funding for police departments, 65 percent of Americans said no. Just 16 percent said yes — a number that held steady across party lines, with Democrats at 16 percent, Republicans at 15 percent and independents at 17 percent.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
14. Officers should be paid well, and it should become a sought after job by educated, smart
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:52 AM
Jun 2020

people with critical thinking skills - not opportunity for the least skilled of the workforce to manage everyday behavior in the country's communities.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
32. Damned straight. We don't want to 'defund' but rather deescalate.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:29 AM
Jun 2020

And to that end, yes, police departments need to be able to attract better, more intelligent candidates.

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
13. If he adopts that slogan, his lead will
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:50 AM
Jun 2020

evaporate overnight. He can talk about reform and maybe re-allocation of resources, but he can't say that police departments should be defunded, and certainly not abolished. Americans would see that as crazy talk.

louzke9

(296 posts)
19. BIDEN IS TOO SMART....
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:14 AM
Jun 2020

To fall for a "Trump Trick". They are so obvious! Biden will either be asked about this by the press or he, himself, will breach the subject. Biden will have a rational comment and won't be harmed by this.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
8. The best way to defund them is just never call them
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:11 AM
Jun 2020

The public is turned off at this point.

And it is btw a long stretch from reforming law enforcement tactics to conform with ethical and legal methods, and "defunding" the police. Trump is going out on a limb here with his latest desperate grasp for anything that might save his sorry record.

ebbie15644

(1,214 posts)
9. Should not call it "defund the police"
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:30 AM
Jun 2020

most people are mad at what the cops are doing but would not want no police and this is what this says even though not what is meant by it

dreamland

(964 posts)
11. Defund Police -is a misleading phrase, better to use "Police Reset"
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:32 AM
Jun 2020

To use the word "defund" is to imply there is no support which is not true. We support the institution for which it was built to protect the people but the actions and psyche of the men and woman in the police departments needs a reset button back to the days of when they were first graduates of the academy. These officers are now playing a real-life "Call of Duty" rather than actually following their true call of duty which is to serve and to protect. TrueAssRump knows what's he's doing here, we need to get our message clear.

louzke9

(296 posts)
21. WAR GEAR!
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:24 AM
Jun 2020

Police access to war gear warps police psyche. They think they are at war with the citizens of this country. Wearing camo, kevlar and masking their identity makes police feel immensely powerful, incites them to use excessive force.

 

johndaly

(19 posts)
33. "Police are broken! FIX the POLICE!!!"
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jun 2020

or "Help the Police!!Stop BAD COPS!!!" / "Serve and Protect!" / "Toe THE LAW, not THE LINE!" "Black and Blue... LIVES MATTER!!!"

But slogans are optics and I am hoping that many are starting (or stopping) to see through the optics of hatred and division.
The issue is militarization of governance. Enforcement of all kinds is now militarized. Even the Dept. of Education has a SWAT team...why? War is not a human value.

My 2 cents, hope my slogans don't trigger anyone...

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
15. Words matter.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:58 AM
Jun 2020

I hate it when people with good intentions harm their own cause, because they don't think their "wow this would be a good idea" through.



They have handed the turd and his enablers a clear, succinct, short sound byte ad that will be played over and over and over. And those less informed than we, may believe it.

SO stupid.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
35. Absolutely
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:45 AM
Jun 2020

Second thing I thought when I heard this idea, after, Gee what a dumb idea, was, Way to make points for the Trump team!

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
20. For the sake of accuracy - find a better word. No one is suggesting defund, disband and then stop
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:15 AM
Jun 2020

there. What is the goal or end result we are after? Thats how it should be framed and packaged/sold to those even on the liberal side who are skeptical.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
23. How bout "reinvent?" De-militarize? I totally get it has to be something more then just reform or
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:42 AM
Jun 2020

revise, but the single word "defund" is not accurate either.

I've heard phrase "defund and reinvest," can the public handle more than one word???? Its a two step process.

Of course the problem really is with lazy media -- there was a bunch of articles in our local rag referring to "anti-police" protests. I guess I wasnt the only one who wrote them chastising them for how inaccurate that was cos the articles were revamped within hours to refer more correctly to police BRUTALITY and racism. Instead they used the phrase Black LIves Matter demonstration.

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
24. Poor choice of words.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:52 AM
Jun 2020

Defund makes it sound as though the police departments are being eliminated. A WaPo writer explained the thinking behind this plan, which is not eliminating police but making some significant changes. Whoever is behind this “Defund” movement needs to change their word now. They are only handing Trump a weapon because many people will not read past the word.

Bayard

(22,061 posts)
28. RE-TRAINING
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jun 2020

Simple, and desirable. Then weed out the rotten apples--including higher up's that don't get with the program.

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
29. It wouldn't surprise me if Russian bots were behind this
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 10:58 AM
Jun 2020

Reform, rebuild, retrain, and whole host of other words are better than defund. Defund the police sounds like some sort of anarcho libertarian masturbatory fantasy.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
30. ON THE OTHER HAND, the value of demanding abolishment then makes the
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:00 AM
Jun 2020

demands for real and substantial restructurinng and demilitarization of police seem more reasonable in comparison! And thus more likely to come to pass.

That's how that works!

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
34. won't work, Idiot. America has already seen what u really are- a fraud, a liar and a pychotic freak.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:34 AM
Jun 2020

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
36. He's trying to start a fight with Biden
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:47 AM
Jun 2020

Rather than doing anything meaningful against police brutality. trump incites police to be violent and brutal , especially towards minorities. trump is a racist.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
37. Totally predictable, America is still 60% white, stoke the fears of roving gangs coming for suburbia
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:53 AM
Jun 2020
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