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pamela

(3,469 posts)
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 12:02 AM Jun 2020

Man shot during demonstration over conquistador statue in New Mexico

Source: NBC

A man was shot Monday evening at a demonstration where protesters planned to topple a conquistador's statue in Albuquerque, New Mexico, authorities said.

It wasn't immediately clear who had been shot. Albuquerque police said in a statement that one person had been taken to a hospital in critical condition but that there were no other injuries.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-shot-during-demonstration-over-conquistador-statue-new-mexico-n1231140



Reports on Twitter that there was a right-wing armed militia group there "protecting" the statues and one of them shot a protester.
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Man shot during demonstration over conquistador statue in New Mexico (Original Post) pamela Jun 2020 OP
If there was a right-wing armed militia group there, I'm sure that they were... EarnestPutz Jun 2020 #1
Post removed Post removed Jun 2020 #2
Whoops. My bad. EarnestPutz Jun 2020 #3
All of this is flourishing in the atmosphere inspired by trump PSPS Jun 2020 #4
The social fabric is unraveling fast. ucrdem Jun 2020 #5
video of the actual shooting tweeted by a reporter, looks like protesters chased the yaesu Jun 2020 #6
He will go free sarisataka Jun 2020 #14
it looks authentic but nowdays who know, the account seems legit. He may claim self defense yaesu Jun 2020 #15
I am leery of Twitter as a source sarisataka Jun 2020 #16
But NM also has law that you can't claim self defense if you were violent first. duhneece Jun 2020 #19
It's hard to see Polybius Jun 2020 #21
The video I saw he comes up behind her duhneece Jun 2020 #22
yeah, i figured from the protesters response that he pulled something iike that, and it seems yaesu Jun 2020 #24
Crap... I haven't learned to post videos duhneece Jun 2020 #18
Lock his ass up! Lock him up! NT raccoon Jun 2020 #7
Police detain armed militia members after man is shot at Albuquerque protest Dennis Donovan Jun 2020 #8
Wow! THAT'S a photo of strange juxtaposition. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2020 #9
Armed rightwingers arresting armed rightwingers? True!! Judi Lynn Jun 2020 #10
I was thinking real law enforcement arresting Walmart camo wannabes. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2020 #11
How do you know what "wing" the Albuquerque SWAT team is? nt EX500rider Jun 2020 #12
Because all police are knuckle-dragging right-wing monsters, of course. N/T Jedi Guy Jun 2020 #20
What is that foil thing around the guys neck? Mosby Jun 2020 #13
Not sure, maybe it was in his pants before? Dennis Donovan Jun 2020 #17
People coming out looking for a fight. Tribalism pure and simple. Steelrolled Jun 2020 #23

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
1. If there was a right-wing armed militia group there, I'm sure that they were...
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 12:07 AM
Jun 2020

....just trying to protect our American heritage and the importance of remembering Conquistadors.

Response to EarnestPutz (Reply #1)

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
3. Whoops. My bad.
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 12:49 AM
Jun 2020

Last edited Tue Jun 16, 2020, 01:51 AM - Edit history (1)

I wrote the first line of this response after only reading the first line of your response. Then I looked up and saw the rest of your response, which wasn't funny but unkind. Why would you post something like this? Chill. Or at least take a moment to consider the important place that conquistadors hold in our history and recognize satire without an emoji to help you out.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
5. The social fabric is unraveling fast.
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 01:56 AM
Jun 2020

I hope we make it to November 3 without something worse than we've already seen

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
6. video of the actual shooting tweeted by a reporter, looks like protesters chased the
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 02:10 AM
Jun 2020

nmcg guy for some reason, attacked him and he drew his pistol.


yaesu

(8,020 posts)
15. it looks authentic but nowdays who know, the account seems legit. He may claim self defense
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 03:56 PM
Jun 2020

and will probably escape the more serious charges, New Mexico is the type of stand your ground state where you do not have a duty to retreat. You don't have to retreat, but if you don't, the DA may decide to prosecute, and the judge/jury may decide to convict. He tried to retreat so it may protect him.

sarisataka

(18,632 posts)
16. I am leery of Twitter as a source
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 04:16 PM
Jun 2020

Having seen many get burned.

The man in the video did retreat from the crowd after an initial assault. He was followed a assaulted by multiple people.

He could be charged if he initiated something in the crowd but the shooting is going to be self defense.

duhneece

(4,112 posts)
19. But NM also has law that you can't claim self defense if you were violent first.
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 08:53 PM
Jun 2020

Video shows shooter pushed a woman to the ground before the shooting

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
24. yeah, i figured from the protesters response that he pulled something iike that, and it seems
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 02:14 AM
Jun 2020

that the protesters were calling for the cops to stop the guy.

duhneece

(4,112 posts)
18. Crap... I haven't learned to post videos
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jun 2020

But I have a video of the shooter pulling/pushing a woman protester to the ground prior to the protesters chasing him and one can hear them say, “Get his license plate number.”

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
8. Police detain armed militia members after man is shot at Albuquerque protest
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 08:11 AM
Jun 2020
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/16/albuquerque-militia-shooting-protest/


Albuquerque police detain members of the New Mexico Civil Guard, an armed civilian group, following the shooting of a man during a protest over a statue of Spanish conquerer Juan de Oñate on Monday in Albuquerque. (Adolphe Pierre-Louis/AP)

By Katie Shepherd
June 16, 2020 at 5:42 a.m. EDT

Protesters in Albuquerque wrapped a chain around the neck of a bronze statue and began tugging, chanting, “Tear it down,” shortly before sunset on Monday. Their efforts to pull down a monument of Spanish conquistador Juan de Oñate suddenly stopped as four shots rang out.

Most people instinctively turned toward the noise, videos from the scene show. A few screamed. Just yards away, a group of militia men sporting militarylike garb and carrying semiautomatic rifles formed a protective circle around the gunman.

The gunshots, which left one man in critical but stable condition, have set off a cascade of public outcry denouncing the unregulated militia’s presence and the shooting, although police have yet to announce an arrest or describe exactly what happened. The victim is also unidentified.

“The heavily armed individuals who flaunted themselves at the protest, calling themselves a ‘civil guard,’ were there for one reason: To menace protesters, to present an unsanctioned show of unregulated force,” New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) said in a statement. “To menace the people of New Mexico with weaponry — with an implicit threat of violence — is on its face unacceptable; that violence did indeed occur is unspeakable.”

FailureToCommunicate

(14,013 posts)
11. I was thinking real law enforcement arresting Walmart camo wannabes.
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 03:19 PM
Jun 2020

Also, I don't believe the Albuquque police are particularly right wing, at least the ones I've heard about.

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