Trump won't follow New Jersey quarantine order; 'he's not a civilian,' White House says
Source: NBC
The White House said Wednesday that President Donald Trump will not change his plan to travel to New Jersey this weekend despite a new order by the governor requiring visitors who have been in states with high numbers of coronavirus cases to quarantine for 14 days.
The president of the United States is not a civilian, White House spokesman Judd Deere said when asked about Trumps compliance with the quarantine order given his travel Tuesday to Arizona, which has seen a rise in the rate of its COVID-19 cases.
Anyone who is in close proximity to him, including staff, guests and press are tested for COVID-19 and confirmed to be negative, Deere said in a statement.
With regard to Arizona, the White House followed its COVID mitigation plan to ensure the president did not come into contact with anyone who was symptomatic or had not been tested, the spokesman added.
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-won-t-follow-new-jersey-quarantine-order-he-s-n1232073
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)RobertDevereaux
(1,858 posts)Gov should not let his plane land in NJ, my birth state.
CBHagman
(16,992 posts)...giving everyone the chance to chant, "Lock him up!" A win-win for medicine and justice.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)He's not a citizen of The United States of America?
3Hotdogs
(12,439 posts)zaj
(3,433 posts)He's the commander in chief. Wish he wasn't. He's a narcissistic man-child. But... he's not a civilian.
pwb
(11,294 posts)Not us.
zaj
(3,433 posts)This is a question of whether he must quarintine in NJ for 14 days. He doesn't, and it's unreasonable to demand that he do so. We should expect he would choose not to go there just to hang out at his golf course. But he's a fool.
pwb
(11,294 posts)And only commander and chief of the military. Pukes and fox say that to make him appear more powerful.
zaj
(3,433 posts)Again, in this context... it's irrelevant. He has the justified power to ignore that state quarantine order. He's a fool, and terrible, and dangerous, and... and... and. But his office necessarily has the power to ignore that order. For that reason, this is a waste of energy getting upset over the legality of it.
Focus on the fact that going to NJ to play golf is a stupid, selfish, dangerous thing to do. And that he's a terrible person for doing it. That's a very defensible position.
Rural_Progressive
(1,107 posts)regarding a state and/or city's responsibility for providing security for a visiting POTUS. I mean what if the cops simply didn't show up to provide road closures, crowd control, etc.
zaj
(3,433 posts)It would be petty.
Rural_Progressive
(1,107 posts)Well I know he spends more time at his golf courses and resorts than he spends working. I know he has been going on these campaign rallies on the tax payers' dime for the entire 3-1/2 years he's been in office. My understanding is that he does not compensate the cities and towns he visits, even if they ask him not to come, for expenses that come out of their budgets to cover the costs of his "visits". I also know that the amount of federal money going to towns and cities has been cut drastically during his reign.
So he shows up, uses a bunch of their resources, and then stiffs them. You think it would be "petty" for them not to allow themselves to be abused financially like that?
Interesting perspective.
But he also isn't subject to the orders of a state governor.
The reply is incredibly ham-handed (what a surprise), but it's accurate enough. Any state that is ordering a self-quarantine for those traveling from high-infection states is doing so because there is no easy way to know that they aren't carrying the infection with them. If they CAN tell that the person isn't infected because he's regularly tested for it... then they can't insist on quarantine.
zaj
(3,433 posts)... from relocating a platoon to an Army base in any given state.
If Canada invaded Wisconsin and a law like this existed in WI, nothing would stop the President from sending troops in and legally ignoring quarantining. President falls into that same "loophole" as commander in chief. He could go to WI can direct troops. He has to be allowed to function with all of the powers that any military member would also. In fact, because he's the #1 commander, he can override military policy as well.
Progressive dog
(6,921 posts)Any time in at least a fourteen day period, they could test positive from prior exposure. During those fourteen days, they would not be shedding enough virus to be detected.
That's why there is a fourteen day quarantine and that's why a moron that recklessly exposes himself to the virus should be quarantined.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)zaj
(3,433 posts)... when it comes to issues of quarantine if he goes to NJ. He's exempted that regulation. He's crazy and abusing that power, but he has it.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)thecrow
(5,519 posts)If he goes to NJ it doesn't matter what title he has,
HE IS A VISITOR~~~!!
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)of course the order does not apply to him.
WhiteTara
(29,728 posts)RobertDevereaux
(1,858 posts)RobertDevereaux
(1,858 posts)The Commander-in-Chief a Civilian Officer.Is the Commander-in-Chiefship a military or a civilian office in the contemplation of the Constitution? Unquestionably the latter.
https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-2/11-the-president-as-commander-of-the-armed-forces.html
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,382 posts)turbinetree
(24,726 posts)Okay................... then he is a homicidal manic, did you check last time Deere on the secret service that went to Tulsa, blows that testing negative theory all to hell, or how how about some of the staff........................
Javaman
(62,534 posts)fake over the top uniform.
C_U_L8R
(45,025 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,962 posts)Well, he did feel that he had equivalent military service.
His luck in not catching STDs was his personal Vietnam.
"I feel like a great and very brave soldier"
chriscan64
(1,789 posts)This is the latest product line from the folks who brought you, "It was a joke". I always groan when I hear some pundit say that Trump understands image. Just because it's all he focuses on doesn't mean he's good at it. Everything he does, says or is looks bad. He doesn't even have the sense to hide behind the paper thin lies his staff tell to save him from himself.
matt819
(10,749 posts)And while we're at it. . .
Police are fucking civilians.
And firefighters are fucking civilians.
The only people who are not fucking civilians are active duty members of the military. And you know what? When they're not on duty and not in uniform, they are fucking civilians also.
rlexx
(59 posts)even out of uniform
matt819
(10,749 posts)that a crime committed by an active duty service member out of uniform and not on duty, and totally unrelated to military service, can be prosecuted civilly. Maybe not?
Doesn't matter. Trump, police, and firefighters are civilians.
ancianita
(36,160 posts)Yes. Trump, police, firefighters are all civilians.
sarge43
(28,946 posts)Several of the punitive articles have nothing to do with duty performance.
sarge43
(28,946 posts)Check the UCMJ, Article 2 to see who is subject to the UCMJ. It's an interesting read.
My husband and I haven't worn our uniforms in nearly forty years. As paid retirees of a regular component we are subject to UCMJ, Article 2(4). If anyone is subject to the Book, they can be stark naked and be brought up on charges, such as rape or adultery and a whole lot more. One other thing, duties like Intell and internal affairs (OSI for example) civies are often the required 'uniform'. Keeping it on the down low.
BTW the president is not on the hit list. He is a fucking civilian among other fucking things.
I wish he were subject to the Book. There's about fifteen punitive charges, on or about, he's violated.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,026 posts)HE'S A MONSTER !!!
Bayard
(22,181 posts)We don't need no stinkin' order!
Above the law again.
Marthe48
(17,047 posts)He is beyond the pale, but still a carrier of hate, and if he doesn't wear a mask, sickness and death.
iluvtennis
(19,882 posts)rlexx
(59 posts)sarge43
(28,946 posts)ananda
(28,885 posts)Lying their asses off and ready to kill more people!
sinkingfeeling
(51,482 posts)NNadir
(33,574 posts)...I'm willing to pay the price if he spends weeks trapped in a bed, gasping for air while fluid fills his lungs and his blood vessels clot.
For all the suffering he's caused, it would be justice.
bdamomma
(63,931 posts)going to NJ? to spread his germs. And he is civilian even if declares himself not. Fucking CRIMINAL.
That is what he is.
IronLionZion
(45,563 posts)and feels above the law
Initech
(100,108 posts)Is it wrong that I want him to get it?
truthisfreedom
(23,159 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,642 posts)He walks on water and is even superior to GOD, he is smarter, healthier, richer, more attractive, more macho, etc. GOD/tRump don't wear no stinkin' mask!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,304 posts)And a big one at that.
Lock him up.
(6,946 posts)No empathy if it doesn't benefit himself, and even when it does...
Lock him up.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)the President is the CIVILIAN head of the Armed Forces!