Supreme Court opens door to state funding for religious schools
Source: CNN
Washington (CNN)In a ruling that will open the door to more public funding for religious education, the Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled in favor of parents in Montana seeking to use a state scholarship program to send their children to religious schools.
The court said that a Montana tax credit program that directed money to private schools could not exclude religious schools.
The 5-4 ruling was penned by Chief Justice John Roberts and joined by the court's four conservative justices.
"A State need not subsidize private education. But once a State decides to do so, it cannot disqualify some private schools solely because they are religious," Roberts wrote in the majority opinion.
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/politics/espinoza-montana-religious-schools-scholarship-supreme-court/index.html
no_hypocrisy
(46,030 posts)religious schools could be excluded?
William Seger
(10,775 posts)Coleman
(853 posts)Were there any dissents? I'd like to see it/them to compare arguments. Though I hate giving any money to religious schools, the majority's argument seems legit. I actually hate any money going to any type of private schools.
blaze
(6,347 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,030 posts)the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)Other secular countries that fund religious schools have certain conditions regarding curriculum, etc., and if a school met the conditions, it could get funding.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Hold on to your hats.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)to students who want to attention a religious school of their choice which is non-Christian?
Coleman
(853 posts)if funding is available to any religion.
BComplex
(8,019 posts)njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)LeftInTX
(25,141 posts)A divided Supreme Court on Tuesday endorsed a Montana tax incentive program that indirectly helps private religious schools, a major victory for those who want to see more public funding of religious institutions.
Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., writing for a conservative majority in the 5-to-4 ruling, said the Montana Supreme Court was wrong to strike down the program because of a provision in the state constitution that forbids public funds from going to religious institutions. The U.S. Constitutions protection of religious freedom prevails, he said.
A state need not subsidize private education, Roberts wrote. But once a state decides to do so, it cannot disqualify some private schools solely because they are religious.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-says-montana-program-aiding-private-schools-must-be-open-to-religious-schools/2020/06/30/4d0af7e6-bad7-11ea-bdaf-a129f921026f_story.html
I found it interesting that Montana does not allow public funding for any religious institution. Mainly because there are many charitable foundations and non-profits that are religious based. (Catholic hospitals are the first that comes to mind)
CaptainTruth
(6,576 posts)As I understand it (& of course I could be wrong) the case involved a state giving funds (like a grant or credit) to students which they could use to attend a private school.
As it was, students were told they couldn't use those funds if they attended a religious private school. SCOTUS ruled that if the state is going to give a student a grant/credit they can use while attending a private school, they should be able to use it at any school they choose, regardless of religious orientation (or not).
To me, that is very different from the state giving funding to religious schools, to me that crosses the separation of church & state line. As I understand this case, students were given a grant or credit & they chose where to attend school, it might be a religious school, it might not. SCOTUS ruled that students & families should have that choice, & I agree.
IMHO if the state doesn't like the fact that some of their grants/credits are helping students attend private religious schools, they can end the grant/credit program & spend more money on public education, which desperately needs it.
walkingman
(7,583 posts)will be huge. The greedy bastards once again declare victory.
ancianita
(35,943 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)Its a 5-4 ruling. It may take a few years, but this ruling SHOULD be overturned.
-Laelth
Cartaphelius
(868 posts)Religion is not to be financially supported by tax payer dollars.
To do so is a violation of the Constitution. Always has been
despite the efforts of the religions and their contrarian
lobbyists and political whores on the right. All in an effort
to needlessly give away our tax payer funds to the rich.
ancianita
(35,943 posts)States have always had the responsibility of how they educate their citizens. Each state has always been able decide its funding priorities, and might or might not have given its taxes (or a tax deduction) to religious schools. This widens the door a little bit more for those states that do.
Bush's Faith Based Intitiative can be challenged, however. Obama backed it, too, since churches would use the money for general community services. That was the requirement.
Cartaphelius
(868 posts)defines the Rights of the States. From day one, specifically,
organized religions were denied federal financial support
by the Constitution.
This clearly separated government from ANY and ALL involvement
with any religion whatsoever. A position in which the white, Christian's
have assailed and wrestled to the ground long enough to justify
religions to plunder tax payer funds to support their world wide
expansion of hatred of non-Christian, non-whites across time and the
globe unchecked.
rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)I will edit this post.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)Especially at the cost of under funding public schools.
Coventina
(27,064 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,062 posts)samsingh
(17,593 posts)angrychair
(8,684 posts)Benefits from tax payer dollars than they also have to pay taxes and they must comply with federal hiring and labor laws in not discriminating against PoC, handicap, sexual orientation, gender identity and country of origin.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Or, are you saying that's what the policy should be?
angrychair
(8,684 posts)The opinion does not speak to those points unfortunately.
stopbush
(24,393 posts)And that's a good thing?
Is it any wonder people don't believe scientists and actual experts when the government treats their fantasies as being on the same level as reality?
jalan48
(13,842 posts)spudspud
(511 posts)totodeinhere
(13,057 posts)important cases lately but not this time. I guess this is a reminder that while he can see the light on occasion he is more often than not a conservative vote on the Court.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)There's a movement among conservatives to subsidize religion, and I refuse to get used to it.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)nonreligious aspects of religious schools has always been around.
Some of these schools infuse things like sports and dance class with religion, but I went to Martin Luther High School in the '60s and after Sputnik shook us up, we were, like just about every school in the country, gifted with brand new science labs and some cash to hire teachers. We got fully stocked bio, chem, and physics labs that were extremely popular. We also got 50 Selectric typewriters for a typing lab.
The idea was to spark science education, and we had to keep religion out of it. The bio classes were allowed to not teach evolution, but they couldn't rip the pages out of the texts or forbid us from reading them. Or talk abut it.
The Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations pushed these programs, Congress and the peolpe were pretty solidly behind them. It was education, not religion, that was being pushed.
Yes, I understand times are different now, and religion is taking precedence over science in too many quarters, but I am not so sure about a backlash that could hurt the education part.
sinkingfeeling
(51,438 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)roamer65
(36,744 posts)I have NO problem with that approach.
The states should only be funding public education.
pfitz59
(10,309 posts)problem solved
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)turbinetree
(24,685 posts)our public tax dollars should not be funding private education ...............period............
Cartaphelius
(868 posts)To do so breeds the contempt we witness daily of those
that don't believe in science because their "religion"
forbids it.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Based on what Roberts said... if taxpayer funds are OKd for private schools how can you exclude religious ones?
Taxpayer funds shouldnt be going to private schools. Period.
It has decimated public education. Looking at you charter schools...