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demmiblue

(36,823 posts)
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 11:49 AM Jul 2020

Scoop: Trump regrets Kushner advice

Source: Axios

President Trump has told people in recent days that he regrets following some of son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner's political advice — including supporting criminal justice reform — and will stick closer to his own instincts, three people with direct knowledge of the president's thinking tell Axios.

Behind the scenes: One person who spoke with the president interpreted his thinking this way: "No more of Jared's woke s***." Another said Trump has indicated that following Kushner's advice has harmed him politically.

Why it matters: This could be the final straw for federal police reform legislation this year, and could usher in even more incendiary campaign tactics between now and November.

Details: The sources said the president has resolved to stick to his instincts and jettison any policies that go against them, including ambitious police reform.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/trump-kushner-second-thoughts-408d5a33-725d-442a-88e4-d6ab6742c139.html

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Scoop: Trump regrets Kushner advice (Original Post) demmiblue Jul 2020 OP
Good. Shitler should double down on being a hate-mongering jackass in the middle of a pandemic. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #1
He and GOP are fantasizing about taking away healthcare from Eliot Rosewater Jul 2020 #4
Employer based company insurance works VMA131Marine Jul 2020 #11
Take away ACA and anything is possible. It will depend on the state as well. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2020 #12
I don't know about 'most cases' ... do you have statistics on that? (nt) mr_lebowski Jul 2020 #23
Preexisting clauses were routinely applied by all insurance companies Eliot Rosewater Jul 2020 #24
The ones I remember people talking about (never had one applied to me) back in the day mr_lebowski Jul 2020 #25
Depends...sometimes on the type of policy or state regs, but in most cases Eliot Rosewater Jul 2020 #26
I recall back in those days there was HUGE variation to 'how good' employer-based insurance was ... mr_lebowski Jul 2020 #28
His own instincts are perfect! Boy Blunder got it all wrong! lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #34
Which is worse, Kushner's advice or Trump's instincts? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2020 #2
+1 2naSalit Jul 2020 #16
He doesn't have an original thought of his own except white supremacy. forgotmylogin Jul 2020 #22
Good God. I thought for sure he was going to say he regreted taking Mike 03 Jul 2020 #3
That is the first thing I thought of, too. Scarsdale Jul 2020 #14
I can think of many words I would use to describe Jared... bbernardini Jul 2020 #5
Jared is "woke"? relayerbob Jul 2020 #6
Ya think?! It's been a life or death matter for Jared for some time. What happens to him when they brewens Jul 2020 #7
Sheesh - how "asleep" does Trump have to be to think Jared is "woke"? n/t CincyDem Jul 2020 #8
Blame, excuses, scapegoats... Jared-of-all-trades keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #9
Define "Profitable" ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #21
We, many many of us are not happy about it either irisblue Jul 2020 #10
This is good. The more Insane Right-Wing Nutbag he goes, Sloumeau Jul 2020 #13
Only if we also retake the Senate majority. Lonestarblue Jul 2020 #18
Criminal justice reform - The First Step Act, right? clayton72 Jul 2020 #15
He's Setting Jarad Up For The Fall....nt global1 Jul 2020 #17
'has resolved to stick to his instincts,' elleng Jul 2020 #19
"and will stick closer to his own instincts..." brooklynite Jul 2020 #20
I pray he does exactly that. BadGimp Jul 2020 #27
Excellent News! BlueIdaho Jul 2020 #29
Yea.Sure.Right. Goes the shade and with the kids at Axios, it seems they get sucked in every time Hestia Jul 2020 #30
ANYTHING Kock Bros and Grover Norquist are for, I'm agin'. Must have found some money in it all. Hestia Jul 2020 #31
Reads like a fluffy Haberman bit catapulted to get distance from Dad for a worried Jared & Ivanka. Scurrilous Jul 2020 #32
"Woke shit" Dopers_Greed Jul 2020 #33
Criminal justice reform Blue_playwright Jul 2020 #35

Voltaire2

(12,958 posts)
1. Good. Shitler should double down on being a hate-mongering jackass in the middle of a pandemic.
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 11:51 AM
Jul 2020

It's worked well for him so far.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
4. He and GOP are fantasizing about taking away healthcare from
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 11:53 AM
Jul 2020

TWENTY

FIVE

MILLION

Americans, and making ALL other employer based insurance and private insurance subject to insurance company new ability to EXCLUDE COVID 19 as a preexisting condition for EVERYBODY; as there are ways they can do that.

VMA131Marine

(4,135 posts)
11. Employer based company insurance works
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jul 2020

because it uses community rating. Aside from a waiting period on being hired, pre-existing conditions generally aren’t a thing. That doesn’t mean pre-existing conditions aren’t a problem for people who buy individual insurance for whatever reason.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
12. Take away ACA and anything is possible. It will depend on the state as well.
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 12:00 PM
Jul 2020

Before ACA when you got a new job preexisting was applied by the insurer in most cases.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
24. Preexisting clauses were routinely applied by all insurance companies
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jul 2020

when you were a new hire...

That is why they got rid of it.

Do you debate that the clause was used by health insurance companies routinely?


https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/Forms-Reports-and-Other-Resources/preexisting


At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans:
129 Million People Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
25. The ones I remember people talking about (never had one applied to me) back in the day
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 02:55 PM
Jul 2020

were like 'no coverage of treatment of PEC for the first 90 days on the policy' ... or that sort of thing.

Not saying I know how every employer-based insurance policy 'worked' but I distinctly remember (at least believing) that your chances of getting things covered that you already had wrong with you were much better via employer-based insurance.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
26. Depends...sometimes on the type of policy or state regs, but in most cases
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 02:57 PM
Jul 2020

preexisting was available to them, which is why ACA took it away.

It was very common for people to not be able to change jobs for this reason.

It would be interesting to research which states varied, as usually the state regulated the insurers and what they could do varied but I am pretty sure it was available in all states.

And think about it this way, if they get that luxury back they could likely require all insureds to be tested for covid and anyone with it would not be covered for it.

That is what is at stake, not for every policy maybe but many.

They are going to do what they can get away with, always. Maybe Blue Cross and Shield would be less aggressive about this, but maybe not too. I dont want to find out.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
28. I recall back in those days there was HUGE variation to 'how good' employer-based insurance was ...
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:05 PM
Jul 2020

Much more so than post-ACA, where now we have lots of minimum standards (yay!).

But one thing I remember about 'why you wanted employer-based insurance instead of your own' was that they couldn't refuse to insure you over ... basically anything.

I was not aware how common (or not) that carving out pre-existing conditions exclusions was.

I was always in California so may be that laws there didn't allow for those, or only in limited fashion.

forgotmylogin

(7,520 posts)
22. He doesn't have an original thought of his own except white supremacy.
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 02:16 PM
Jul 2020

If all of his knowledge and decision making is second-hand, it's never his fault.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
3. Good God. I thought for sure he was going to say he regreted taking
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 11:53 AM
Jul 2020

Jared's advice on handling the coronavirus pandemic.

He's unconscionably defective.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
14. That is the first thing I thought of, too.
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 12:20 PM
Jul 2020

No, tRump does not see the pandemic as a problem, since nobody in his family has suffered from it - YET. Wasn't is Jared who said it was nothing to worry about, at first? They treat the presidency like a family business. Act like the Treasury is their own slush fund. I can't wait to get them OUT of the WH, fumigate the place and prosecute the entire crime family and their co-horts.

brewens

(13,538 posts)
7. Ya think?! It's been a life or death matter for Jared for some time. What happens to him when they
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 11:55 AM
Jul 2020

lose? Trump won't live long enough to see prison. I'm sure they will drag it out long enough and or play the incapacitated card. Jared will be ruined and be behind bars if there is any justice.

keithbvadu2

(36,655 posts)
9. Blame, excuses, scapegoats... Jared-of-all-trades
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 11:58 AM
Jul 2020

Jared; Loved (tolerated) in the right wing sphere as long as he is useful and profitable. When things go bad, it will become ‘blame the Jew’.

Breitbart had to be told by Trump to cut back on criticizing Jared.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
21. Define "Profitable"
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 01:26 PM
Jul 2020

With this family, profitable seems to mean not losing money.
My numbers say that with the "loans" (translation, tax dodges) from daddy & the inheritance he went to court to keep nearly all of, PINO's ROIC is 1%, at best.
Over an era where a combined S&P/NASDAQ portfolio would have yielded 9.2%.
Since the really don't know how to make a profit, Jared is useful as long as net profit isn't negative!

irisblue

(32,929 posts)
10. We, many many of us are not happy about it either
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 11:59 AM
Jul 2020

Rich mediocre well connected pale male fails to be distinguished. See Shock Face

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
13. This is good. The more Insane Right-Wing Nutbag he goes,
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 12:13 PM
Jul 2020

the easier it will be to destroy him in November. We can get our agenda passed next January.

BadGimp

(4,012 posts)
27. I pray he does exactly that.
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:03 PM
Jul 2020

The people he needs to bring onboard are not going to fall for a "Law and Order" message as envisioned by the hard right.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
29. Excellent News!
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:13 PM
Jul 2020

His political instincts suck. It was the combined propaganda of Fox, National Enquirer, and thousands to Russian FaceBook accounts that got him his first four years. His performance in office and his blatant racism will get him thrown out.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
32. Reads like a fluffy Haberman bit catapulted to get distance from Dad for a worried Jared & Ivanka.
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 03:57 PM
Jul 2020

Jared 'woke?' ROFL

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
33. "Woke shit"
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 04:09 PM
Jul 2020

So lemme get this straight...

He thinks the problem is that Kushner is too "woke"? Not that he's just a dope?

Blue_playwright

(1,568 posts)
35. Criminal justice reform
Wed Jul 1, 2020, 09:30 PM
Jul 2020

Was by no means complete, but is the only thing I feel he has done that was a good thing and presidential.

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