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nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 08:27 AM Jul 2020

Coronavirus: Protein treatment trial 'a breakthrough'

Source: BBC

Coronavirus: Protein treatment trial 'a breakthrough'
By Justin Rowlatt
BBC News
1 hour ago

The preliminary results of a clinical trial suggest a new treatment for Covid-19 dramatically reduces the number of patients needing intensive care, according to the UK company that developed it.

The treatment from Southampton-based biotech Synairgen uses a protein called interferon beta which the body produces when it gets a viral infection. The protein is inhaled directly into the lungs of patients with coronavirus, using a nebuliser, in the hope that it will stimulate an immune response.

The initial findings suggest the treatment cut the odds of a Covid-19 patient in hospital developing severe disease - such as requiring ventilation - by 79%.

Patients were two to three times more likely to recover to the point where everyday activities were not compromised by their illness, Synairgen claims.
(snip)

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53467022

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Coronavirus: Protein treatment trial 'a breakthrough' (Original Post) nitpicker Jul 2020 OP
I am getting the impression from reading the news that treatments like this are much more Squinch Jul 2020 #1
Just like HIV 33taw Jul 2020 #5
HIV NurseJackie Jul 2020 #20
These are my standings at the moment in my Fantasy COVID lineup... Hugin Jul 2020 #6
I'd say yes, except for #1. People who are against masking now will continue to Squinch Jul 2020 #9
I did say fantasy... Hugin Jul 2020 #10
It is tragic that your totally logical response timeline is only a fantasy. Squinch Jul 2020 #16
Sadly, lately, I've been working in tragedy the way an artist works in clay or oil paint... Hugin Jul 2020 #18
Well said. Squinch Jul 2020 #19
... Hugin Jul 2020 #25
105 days until the election. BComplex Jul 2020 #44
I wouldn't count on social distancing and mask use requirements cstanleytech Jul 2020 #11
Or they have an 80+ year old relative nitpicker Jul 2020 #40
Agreed. Unfortunately, we'd have to move to Britain or Canada do get treatment. Texin Jul 2020 #17
That's awesome soothsayer Jul 2020 #2
Oh, right, it's Monday morning and the stock market needs support bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #3
Ha. You have a point. OhZone Jul 2020 #4
Yup. AllyCat Jul 2020 #24
no peer review on a very limited study and somehow this is important? Talk to us in 6 months beachbumbob Jul 2020 #7
Double blind study involving 9 hospitals and 101 participants, not exactly insignificant. Native Jul 2020 #30
This is odd - OhZone Jul 2020 #8
The Flu Like Symptoms Are Temporary ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #36
Thanks for that info Hekate Jul 2020 #42
These are always in parentheses... back in March/April they were warning Dr.'s off Prednisone and JCMach1 Jul 2020 #43
Sounds better than a Clorox enema administered by flying pigs. jaxexpat Jul 2020 #12
... wearing UV headlamps. Hugin Jul 2020 #15
k&r for visibility. We need some good news. n/t Laelth Jul 2020 #13
Here we go AKing Jul 2020 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author bronxiteforever Jul 2020 #21
Cost $20,000/year or $50/week. safeinOhio Jul 2020 #22
I Was On It For 20 Years ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #35
Doubt one would need it for a full year Wednesdays Jul 2020 #39
We need to let go of this idea of a vaccine. AllyCat Jul 2020 #23
Well maybe... But The King of Prussia Jul 2020 #27
I get it. Still, this is a preliminary study and a press release at that AllyCat Jul 2020 #28
I agree. They need to make their data public. scipan Jul 2020 #37
Here is the paper Steelrolled Jul 2020 #41
I live in Bradford The King of Prussia Jul 2020 #26
That sounds exactly right to me. ananda Jul 2020 #29
Thank you! Duppers Jul 2020 #32
It's A Very Common MS Treatment ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #34
Not medical staff, but the company. scipan Jul 2020 #38
Excellent pandr32 Jul 2020 #31
Bravo Synairgen! liberalla Jul 2020 #33

Squinch

(50,946 posts)
1. I am getting the impression from reading the news that treatments like this are much more
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 08:31 AM
Jul 2020

likely to be the wave of the future than a vaccine.

Hugin

(33,120 posts)
6. These are my standings at the moment in my Fantasy COVID lineup...
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 08:47 AM
Jul 2020

1) Everybody wearing a goddamned mask, social distancing, and maximizing stay home protocols. (2 months)

2) Reliable > 87% treatments and therapies. (given widely available and cheap drugs/equipment - 1 to 2 years)

3) Vaccine or other preventative drugs/therapies. (based on the fact it has never been done for this class of virus and flu vaccines are historically only running ~ 45% effective right now. 15+ years to never.)




Sound about correct?

Squinch

(50,946 posts)
9. I'd say yes, except for #1. People who are against masking now will continue to
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 08:53 AM
Jul 2020

double down until someone in their family gets mortally sick.

And I don't think the distancing and isolation orders will be consistent across the country until Joe is inaugurated. So I think that will be more likely to take 6 months. And it will be such a wildfire by then that it will take 4 or 5 months for any kind of containment.

Hugin

(33,120 posts)
10. I did say fantasy...
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 09:08 AM
Jul 2020


In my fantasy the average American has more brain cells than a parade horse. So, I was citing the effective timeline.

But, then there's reality.

The thing about #1 is that it doesn't or wouldn't cost a dime, only time. But, early on Tangerine Idi Amin went on his, "The cure can't be worse than the disease." crusade and as anything he touches does, it went to crap. We ended up with the worst of both.

Hugin

(33,120 posts)
18. Sadly, lately, I've been working in tragedy the way an artist works in clay or oil paint...
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 09:51 AM
Jul 2020

It's all owed to one petulant man-child and his power mad and corrupted co-conspirators.

Squinch

(50,946 posts)
19. Well said.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 09:58 AM
Jul 2020


6 months to go. We can do it.

And here's a nice thought. I wish I could link to the article but I read recently someone who pointed out that we should remember that the horror under Hoover - the horrible homelessness, hunger, despair, heartache that occurred while Hoover golfed and did nothing - gave way to FDR and the New Deal.

The worse Donny Bodybags makes things, the more willing more people will be to quickly make substantial positive changes.

I am so hoping history repeats.

Hugin

(33,120 posts)
25. ...
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 10:22 AM
Jul 2020

The choice couldn't be clearer.

It's either, "Blue Skies - Ella Fitzgerald" or "We'll Meet Again - Vera Lynn".

Take care.

BComplex

(8,035 posts)
44. 105 days until the election.
Tue Jul 21, 2020, 02:03 AM
Jul 2020

Eight or nine weeks from today people will start voting early in some states..

We need to take a bunch of deep breaths and hang together.

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
11. I wouldn't count on social distancing and mask use requirements
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 09:21 AM
Jul 2020

lasting long enough really.
At least not ones that are required by the government because I suspect somebody will challenge it in the courts and considering the current makeup of the federal courts they might win.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
40. Or they have an 80+ year old relative
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 07:34 PM
Jul 2020

AND get their noses rubbed in this fact:

If the relative gets noticeable CV, half the time they will be hospitalized.

And so far, half of these hospitalized die.

((Let's hope some of those new treatments change THAT fact, but there is also morbidity as well as mortality to be tackled.))

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
7. no peer review on a very limited study and somehow this is important? Talk to us in 6 months
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 08:50 AM
Jul 2020

Its all about pumping the markets

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
8. This is odd -
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 08:51 AM
Jul 2020

It says interferons actually cause flu like symptoms and could be catastrophic for Covid patients, and a lot of other negatives -

https://www.medicinenet.com/interferon/article.htm

But maybe as a near last resort and applied just to the lungs, it can be effective like that.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
36. The Flu Like Symptoms Are Temporary
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:02 PM
Jul 2020

When I first went on it, I felt those. Acetominophen moderated those feelings a great deal.
I'd take a couple, then do the injection.
After a few months, I didn't need to take the Tylenol first. But, just in case, I had some in my office, in my car, in my golf bag,...
If I did feel those symptoms, take 2. Within 20 minutes, no issue.
I was on this med for 20 years.

JCMach1

(27,556 posts)
43. These are always in parentheses... back in March/April they were warning Dr.'s off Prednisone and
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:51 PM
Jul 2020

other steroids.

These are pretty regular treatment now.

AKing

(511 posts)
14. Here we go
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 09:45 AM
Jul 2020

[link:https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/tiny-u-k-company-s-stock-soars-373-as-drug-cuts-covid-19-risk-1.1467821|

Shares of Synairgen Plc, a tiny pharmaceutical firm born out of a U.K. university, soared as much as 373 per cent after the company said its experimental drug cut the risk of developing the worst symptoms of COVID-19.

Response to nitpicker (Original post)

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
35. I Was On It For 20 Years
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:58 PM
Jul 2020

$50/week is actually much cheaper than it was in 2000.
They figured out much more efficient means of production, lowering the cost dramatically.
There are now 3 companies making it, which is 2 more than when I was first on it.

Wednesdays

(17,342 posts)
39. Doubt one would need it for a full year
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:00 PM
Jul 2020

to treat CV. Except in extreme cases, it probably just needs a few weeks' treatment. At $50 per week, that's a relative bargain.

AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
23. We need to let go of this idea of a vaccine.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 10:12 AM
Jul 2020

Treatment is where we should focus our attention and this is one more tool in the box if it works.

AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
28. I get it. Still, this is a preliminary study and a press release at that
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 10:54 AM
Jul 2020

These press releases are to keep a company relevant, not to give any real data. It’s too soon. I hope it’s true but right now, too soon to tell.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
41. Here is the paper
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 10:07 PM
Jul 2020
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2931604-4

Interpretation

ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 showed an acceptable safety profile, and homologous boosting increased antibody responses. These results, together with the induction of both humoral and cellular immune responses, support large-scale evaluation of this candidate vaccine in an ongoing phase 3 programme.


26. I live in Bradford
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 10:42 AM
Jul 2020

One of our local hospitals was involved in the trial. A great mystery to me has been that although incidence of the virus here has been second-highest in the country, deaths have not. I wonder if this is why.
Any suggestion that our wonderful medical staff here are involved in some kind of scam to game the US stockmarket is thoroughly vile.

Duppers

(28,118 posts)
32. Thank you!
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 11:33 AM
Jul 2020

Interferon beta has been around for awhile and is somewhat effective in treating many other illnesses.

🇬🇧 Long live British medicine. 🇬🇧

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
34. It's A Very Common MS Treatment
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:55 PM
Jul 2020

Goes by the tradename Betaseron
I was on it for MS for over 20 years.

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