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still_one

(92,187 posts)
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:55 PM Jul 2020

Suspect in shooting of federal judge's son and husband at her New Jersey home has died, sources say

Source: CNN

(CNN)The person suspected of shooting the husband and son of US District Court of New Jersey Esther Salas on Sunday at her North Brunswick home has died of what is believed to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to two law enforcement sources.

Daniel Anderl, a 20-year-old student at Catholic University, was killed in the shooting, and Mark Anderl, the judge's husband and a defense attorney, was injured, according to Chief Judge Freda Wolfson. Salas was unharmed, Wolfson said.
Both the US Marshals and FBI are investigating the shooting and were working to find the suspected gunman. Initial reports from law enforcement said Daniel Anderl opened the door with his father right behind him. The door opened to a hail of gunfire and the gunman fled, a law enforcement source told CNN.
The gunman appeared to be wearing a FedEx uniform, a law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the investigation told CNN.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/federal-judge-esther-salas-shooting-investigation/index.html

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Suspect in shooting of federal judge's son and husband at her New Jersey home has died, sources say (Original Post) still_one Jul 2020 OP
It sounds as if they knew who they were looking for right away. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2020 #1
Right out of an old spy movie. grumpyduck Jul 2020 #2
DEAD MEN.... louzke9 Jul 2020 #3
The first thing that I thought mjvpi Jul 2020 #5
Actually PatSeg Jul 2020 #16
Yah, but... diva77 Jul 2020 #32
First rule of assassinations Polybius Jul 2020 #4
yep Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #6
Suicide? Champp Jul 2020 #7
Trump and Epstein bluewater Jul 2020 #8
Publicized taste for young eastern European women CountAllVotes Jul 2020 #21
Update. Gunman was a lawyer who appeared before her in 2015 bronxiteforever Jul 2020 #9
Surprised he didn't hang around for a Presidential pardon /nt bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #10
That's disturbing. H2O Man Jul 2020 #11
+1 it really is disturbing. She lost her only child too. bronxiteforever Jul 2020 #12
Maybe the killer's objective was to cause as much pain GemState Jul 2020 #19
We will know the facts soon I suppose. bronxiteforever Jul 2020 #22
Yes, I would say "much more" PatSeg Jul 2020 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Jul 2020 #30
He was a lawyer at 15 years old? GentryDixon Jul 2020 #13
The murdered son is 20, not the suspect greenjar_01 Jul 2020 #14
You're correct. I misread it. 😊 GentryDixon Jul 2020 #18
Yeah, they hopped right from the gunman to the son, marybourg Jul 2020 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author bronxiteforever Jul 2020 #15
BS llashram Jul 2020 #20
The killer was men's rights activist and attorney.... chowder66 Jul 2020 #23
spin, no matter llashram Jul 2020 #24
Then you will like my latest post down thread. chowder66 Jul 2020 #27
Hollander Previously Worked on Security Issues in Moscow, His Resume Says chowder66 Jul 2020 #26
Trump asks Putin for a favor. machI Jul 2020 #28
The old Oswald-Ruby ploy? McCamy Taylor Jul 2020 #29
NBC says there may be a connection with another "men's rights" attorney killed in California muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #31
Thank you for the link.. Cha Jul 2020 #34
Okay, help me out here. grumpyduck Jul 2020 #33

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,425 posts)
1. It sounds as if they knew who they were looking for right away.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 12:58 PM
Jul 2020

It didn't take them any too long.

SMH. What next?

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
16. Actually
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jul 2020

it has felt like that for much of the last 3 1/2 years. So much of what has happened has been even too far-fetched for a spy novel. If Tom Clancy wrote any of this, no one would buy his books.

diva77

(7,640 posts)
32. Yah, but...
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 05:06 PM
Jul 2020

from article linked in OP:

US Attorney General William Barr sent condolences for the Justice Department to the family.

"This kind of lawless, evil action carried out against a member of the federal judiciary will not be tolerated, and I have ordered the full resources of the FBI and the U.S. Marshals Service to investigate the matter," Barr said.



Polybius

(15,398 posts)
4. First rule of assassinations
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:13 PM
Jul 2020

Kill the assassin. This stinks to high Hell. I usually hate conspiracies but this entire Epstein thing is one huge CT.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
8. Trump and Epstein
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:23 PM
Jul 2020


And the Judge just being assigned a case involving Epstein and his Deutsche Bank account records is supposed to be a coincidence?

Account records showing payments from "prominent men"?

Does anyone doubt tRump's involvement?

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
21. Publicized taste for young eastern European women
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:25 PM
Jul 2020

And that was none other than Jeffrey Epstein who supposedly committed suicide.

Odd the way Epstein like dump goes for these "young eastern European women".

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-07/deutsche-bank-kept-epstein-s-money-moving-as-red-flags-flew

Melanoma dump was "young" once ... young when she hooked up w/dump.







bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
9. Update. Gunman was a lawyer who appeared before her in 2015
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:29 PM
Jul 2020

Gunman who shot N.J. judge’s son to death and wounded her husband is lawyer who once had case before her: reports

By GABRIELLA DEPINHO, BRITTANY KRIEGSTEIN and GRAHAM RAYMAN
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
JUL 20, 2020 AT 12:53 PM

The gunman, dressed as a FedEx delivery driver, who shot and critically wounded the husband of a federal judge in New Jersey and killed her son is believed to be a lawyer who had a case before the judge in 2015, according to reports.
After knocking on the North Brunswick, N.J. home of U.S. District Judge Esther Salas, and riddling her husband and son with bullets, the killer appears to have taken his life in Liberty, N.J., ABC reported.


https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-judge-husband-son-shot-new-jersey-20200720-3n44ra6e4re77doaynwyo4gjxy-story.html

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
11. That's disturbing.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jul 2020

I know that some lawyers don't like some judges. But I'm thinking this hardly appears to "justify" his actions even in a sick mind. As an attorney, I suspect he was paid for his legal services in that case. And no one would be more aware that he could appeal any decision he believed unjust.

Hence, I suspect there is more -- much more -- to the story than this. It will be interesting to learn what his political-social views were, and what type of company he kept in recent times.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
12. +1 it really is disturbing. She lost her only child too.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 01:59 PM
Jul 2020

There are rumors about the shooter’s connections and reasons but nothing solid yet. I imagine we will know soon.

GemState

(48 posts)
19. Maybe the killer's objective was to cause as much pain
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:23 PM
Jul 2020

as possible to Judge Salas before he died. He was prepared to shoot whoever answered the door. And he didn’t enter to seek out the judge.

Response to H2O Man (Reply #11)

Response to GentryDixon (Reply #13)

llashram

(6,265 posts)
20. BS
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:25 PM
Jul 2020

the shooter is now collateral damage and dead for whoever set this up in trying to kill this federal judge. The RW and mafia forces, Russian controlled by Putin to do the RW business and otherwise who think all with critical thinking and reasoning skills are dead, are dead wrong. Plain as day. If he had gotten to this judge, who was in the driver's seat to replace her and stop investigations into trump-Epstein dealings et cetera with Deutsche Bank.

chowder66

(9,067 posts)
23. The killer was men's rights activist and attorney....
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:31 PM
Jul 2020

The killer was men’s rights activist and attorney Roy Den Hollander, according to the Daily Beast.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-judge-husband-son-shot-new-jersey-20200720-3n44ra6e4re77doaynwyo4gjxy-story.html


snip from another article

Authorities believe an attorney found dead in New York Monday was the shooter who killed a New Jersey federal judge's son and wounded her husband a day earlier, law enforcement sources with knowledge of the case tell News 4.

The man's body was found on a property in the Sullivan County town of Rockland, near Liberty, which is in the New York Catskills. One senior law enforcement official says authorities are looking into whether there was a package or envelope addressed to the judge found near the man, who may have died of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. The official said the FBI, US Marshals and police were at the scene, while a vehicle the man was thought to have been using is being searched at a nearby State Police barracks.

They are also investigating whether a gun found at the scene matches the one used to kill Judge Esther Salas' son and wound her husband, law enforcement sources say. Two sources described the dead man as an attorney who filed various sorts of civil lawsuits over the years; no other details were available.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/dead-man-in-ny-may-be-tied-to-killing-of-nj-federal-judges-son-shooting-of-her-husband-sources/2521563/

chowder66

(9,067 posts)
26. Hollander Previously Worked on Security Issues in Moscow, His Resume Says
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 02:38 PM
Jul 2020

He listed his work experience as “attorney and business consultant” in New York from 2000 to present. “Litigate civil cases, including men’s rights, immigration fraud, insurance subrogation, and RICO,” he wrote. “Advise businesses on corporate governance, contracts and litigation.”

From 1999-2000, he wrote that he worked for Kroll Associates in Moscow, Russia, saying he “managed and upgraded Kroll’s delivery of intelligence and security in the former Soviet Union.” He also worked as an attorney in Russia and Ecuador.

“Counseled companies, individuals, and nonprofit organizations in America, Russia, and Ecuador on legal and business issues, including international financing and marketing,” he wrote.

Back in the 1980s, he worked in private practice and also as an attorney “in the Office of Chief Counsel of the Internal Revenue Service: Interpretative Division.”

https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/roy-den-hollander/

machI

(1,285 posts)
28. Trump asks Putin for a favor.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 03:08 PM
Jul 2020

Putin sends the local Russian Mafia to establish a cut-out in the investigation. The judge is killed and then the assassin is also killed. Trump is insulated from the investigation and court case into Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffery Epstein, and Deutsche Bank.

The assassin missed the primary target, but the Mafia will move to an alternate plan.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
31. NBC says there may be a connection with another "men's rights" attorney killed in California
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 04:58 PM
Jul 2020
And now authorities are also looking into his possible connection to the death of another prominent men's rights figure in California earlier this month, sources say.

The body, identified by sources as attorney Roy Den Hollander, was found on a property in the Sullivan County town of Rockland, near Liberty, which is in the New York Catskills. One senior law enforcement official says authorities are looking into whether there was a package or envelope addressed to the judge found near Den Hollander, who may have died of self-inflicted gunshot wounds.

According to law enforcement sources, investigators found material with Den Hollander on the California murder victim, as well as information about Judge Janet DiFiore, the chief judge of the state of New York. The FBI has been in contact with DiFiore to advise her of the finding.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/dead-man-in-ny-may-be-tied-to-killing-of-nj-federal-judges-son-shooting-of-her-husband-sources/2521563/

Which I guess is:

Marc Angelucci: Prominent Men’s Rights Attorney Murdered in California


Marc Angelucci, a prominent men’s rights attorney who was featured in the controversial documentary The Red Pill, was shot to death in his home in San Bernardino County, California.

The shooting death happened at Glenwood Drive in Cedarpines Park, a small mountain town where Angelucci lived. He died of gunshot wounds, according to the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department.
...
According to a news release by the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department, police learned of the homicide at 4:03 p.m. on July 11, 2020. The suspect was described as an “unknown male.”
...
Angelucci was the vice president and board member of the National Coalition for Men.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/marc-angelucci/

Doesn't seem to have been an arrest for that.

Cha

(297,188 posts)
34. Thank you for the link..
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 06:45 PM
Jul 2020
Den Hollander previously sued multiple NBC News anchors, as well as anchors from other networks, and alleged they engaged in an illegal conspiracy to prevent Donald Trump's election to the presidency.)

This is what I've been trying to find out.. how did Roy Den Hollander become a "suspect" and what ted them to the location where he was in New York?

The FBI, U.S. Marshals, New Jersey State Police and the New Jersey Office of the Attorney General all have personnel investigating, and the FBI had tweeted it was looking for "one subject" in the shooting. It's not clear what led authorities to the location in Liberty where the suspect was found dead.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/dead-man-in-ny-may-be-tied-to-killing-of-nj-federal-judges-son-shooting-of-her-husband-sources/2521563/

grumpyduck

(6,232 posts)
33. Okay, help me out here.
Mon Jul 20, 2020, 05:22 PM
Jul 2020

The clip says "One senior law enforcement official says authorities are looking into whether there was a package or envelope addressed to the judge found near Den Hollander."

They're looking into whether a package was found near the body. I don't get it. Found by whom? And does this mean it's no longer there? And why would they think it was there? Either I'm mis-reading this or something is missing.

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