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swag

(26,487 posts)
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 08:52 PM Jul 2020

Judge restricts force federal officers can use in Portland

Source: Oregon Public Broadcasting

UPDATE (5:30 p.m. PT) — U.S. District Judge Michael H. Simon has temporarily restrained the use of force by federal officers deployed to Portland, restricting their interactions with legal observers and journalists observing nightly protests against police violence.

On Thursday afternoon, Simon issued a temporary restraining order on officers from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Marshals Service sent to Portland to guard federal buildings. The order will last for two weeks. The judge is still considering a longer lasting injunction against the federal officers.

The hearing comes as part of a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union in Oregon, alleging law enforcement has been targeting and attacking journalists at the protests.

The city of Portland was originally the main defendant in the suit. Simon issued an injunction against the city, placing new restrictions on how local police can interact with observers. Those limits Simon had previously placed on the Portland police are nearly identical to the ones he placed on federal officers Thursday.

Under the new order, federal officers are barred from arresting, threatening to arrest or using physical force against someone who they should “reasonable know” is a journalist or legal observers unless they have probable cause that person has committed a crime. Journalists and observers are also not required to follow orders to disperse nor can a federal officer tell them to stop documenting the protest.

Read more: https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-protest-restraining-order-force-federal-officers/

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Judge restricts force federal officers can use in Portland (Original Post) swag Jul 2020 OP
About time. K&R!! onetexan Jul 2020 #1
Note well "The city of Portland was originally the main defendant in the suit." swag Jul 2020 #2
Didn't Wheeler get gassed by the feds himself? Vdizzle Jul 2020 #21
Yes, but before that, the police department that he heads swag Jul 2020 #22
It's a start.......... MyOwnPeace Jul 2020 #3
So they can't arrest somebody without probable cause only if they are a legal observer or jounralist jorgevlorgan Jul 2020 #4
This case was filed on behalf of journalists LeftInTX Jul 2020 #12
Ah I see! jorgevlorgan Jul 2020 #13
Confusion might.... louzke9 Jul 2020 #25
They will just ignore the judge. drray23 Jul 2020 #5
Ignore at their own peril!! We are STILL a nation of laws Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #9
Question is, will they care? bamagal62 Jul 2020 #6
You're probably right. Fed thugs will ignore. swag Jul 2020 #8
Are they really federal officers? keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #7
Great first step- more should come re: arrest without cause nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2020 #10
It is a shame he has to put this in an order. Dustlawyer Jul 2020 #11
Fun fact: Michael H. Simon is related to Neil Simon alp227 Jul 2020 #14
Oh my god, a set of balls. Hotler Jul 2020 #15
What about tear gassing? oregonjen Jul 2020 #16
Comes as part of a lawsuit filed by the ACLU. Duppers Jul 2020 #17
Absolutely..please if you can consider a donation to the ACLU Thekaspervote Jul 2020 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author morillon Jul 2020 #18
I'll bet Donny is having a sad. This, Fauci gets to throw the first ball, and the world is laughing captain queeg Jul 2020 #19
its a start for sure, but Portland situation not the same as what will happen beachbumbob Jul 2020 #23
Good Sherman A1 Jul 2020 #24
Good! lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #26
That's a good start. Let's see more. MineralMan Jul 2020 #27
Solution: Make every protester an official journalist or observer. KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2020 #28
The feds seem to be ignoring this. swag Jul 2020 #29

swag

(26,487 posts)
2. Note well "The city of Portland was originally the main defendant in the suit."
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 08:56 PM
Jul 2020

The Portland Police, whose boss is Mayor Ted Wheeler, had been gassing and beating on BLM protesters for several weeks before the feds got here.

swag

(26,487 posts)
22. Yes, but before that, the police department that he heads
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 12:13 AM
Jul 2020

had been beating on and gassing protesters and journalists for weeks on end.


MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
3. It's a start..........
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 08:57 PM
Jul 2020

Finally SOMEONE has stood up and paid attention to that little thing called THE CONSTITUTION!

jorgevlorgan

(8,288 posts)
4. So they can't arrest somebody without probable cause only if they are a legal observer or jounralist
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 08:58 PM
Jul 2020



Under the new order, federal officers are barred from arresting, threatening to arrest or using physical force against someone who they should “reasonable know” is a journalist or legal observers unless they have probable cause that person has committed a crime. Journalists and observers are also not required to follow orders to disperse nor can a federal officer tell them to stop documenting the protest.


I'm pretty sure arresting people without probable cause is illegal already.

louzke9

(296 posts)
25. Confusion might....
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:12 AM
Jul 2020

come from the writer, not necessarily from the Judge in these sentences. Law enforcement at any level must apply "probable cause" to justify detaining and arresting someone. Law enforcement means enforcing the LAW, not BREAKING it. In Portland, those federal agents who picked people off the streets, did so by force but not by legality. Very important everyone knows what their civil rights are when confronted by the police and how the police are required legally to conduct themselves. Most, if not all, those scooped up off the streets of Portland were RELEASED because there was no probable cause to detain them in the first place and there were no crimes committed or the individuals would have been arrested and charged. The DHS posse' was just trolling the streets grabbing people they deemed suspicious, hoping to catch someone of value in their nets. Dressing in black while walking is not "probable cause"!

keithbvadu2

(36,774 posts)
7. Are they really federal officers?
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 09:13 PM
Jul 2020

Are they really federal officers?

Mercenaries as Trump's secret police?

The Lead Federal Agency Responding to Protesters in Portland Employs Thousands of Private Contractors

https://tinyurl.com/y5nle99v

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213796641

alp227

(32,017 posts)
14. Fun fact: Michael H. Simon is related to Neil Simon
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 10:01 PM
Jul 2020

His dad is Danny Simon, writer for 1950s-70s TV shows like My Three Sons and The Carol Burnett Show, whose brother is Neil.

Similarly, Seattle federal judge Richard A. Jones is a half brother of Quincy Jones, and Judge Jones also made a ruling restricting police use of force during protests.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
17. Comes as part of a lawsuit filed by the ACLU.
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 10:11 PM
Jul 2020

Knowing the ACLU would go after them in court, I sent a donation last week, as I'm sure thousands of others did. I ❤ the ACLU!!


Thekaspervote

(32,754 posts)
20. Absolutely..please if you can consider a donation to the ACLU
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 11:36 PM
Jul 2020

They are always on the front lines protecting justice

Response to swag (Original post)

captain queeg

(10,170 posts)
19. I'll bet Donny is having a sad. This, Fauci gets to throw the first ball, and the world is laughing
Thu Jul 23, 2020, 10:45 PM
Jul 2020

At his “cognitive test”. “I have great cognitive”. Oh and had to cancel the GOP convention; the daily shit show about Covid is nothing like the Nazi rally he craves. If he doesn’t get a fix soon he’s going to melt down. I still think reporters should record a laugh track and every time he says something stupid play it loudly.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
23. its a start for sure, but Portland situation not the same as what will happen
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 06:10 AM
Jul 2020

elsewhere. ACLU needs to jump into a dozen other locations as Federal SS comes to a city near you

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
26. Good!
Fri Jul 24, 2020, 09:19 AM
Jul 2020

We also need enforcement mechanisms and punishment for those who have already committed assaults and kidnappings.

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