Christian abortion critics urge Dems to change platform

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Source: Washington Post

A group of more than 100 Christian pastors, religion professors and other advocates is urging the Democratic National Committee to adopt a party platform that’s friendlier to abortion opponents.

In a letter organized by the anti-abortion group Democrats for Life and set to be sent Friday, the group of Christians calls on the Democratic Party to rescind its platform’s support for ending restrictions on federal funding for abortion. That language was added to the party’s 2016 platform, to the frustration of anti-abortion Democrats. Last year, Joe Biden, the Democrat’s presumptive presidential nominee, shifted his position to back an end to restrictions on government funding for abortion.

“We call upon you to recognize the inviolable human dignity of the child, before and after birth,” the group wrote in its letter to the Democratic platform committee, shared in advance with The Associated Press. “We urge you to reject a litmus test on pro-life people of faith seeking office in the Democratic Party.”



Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/christian-abortion-critics-urge-dems-to-change-platform/2020/07/24/ba0bcaca-cdae-11ea-99b0-8426e26d203b_story.html

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Of course, the inviolable human dignity of the actual born, living, breathing WOMAN is of no concern to these anti-American enemies of innocent citizens' rights. They advocate for an innocent woman to have LESS rights to personal bodily autonomy than a corpse does.

[NRaleighLiberal]

1. huh!?!?! organized religion...what a crock...

[ouija]

5. They did

It’s called choice. You can choose to have an abortion or you can choose not to have an abortion.

[bucolic_frolic]

2. What can we horse trade for?

How about ending religious tax exemptions, support for private schools, and stop meddling in workers' health care?

Deal?

[Mr.Bill]

17. How about we'll start caring about the kids before they are born

when the republicans start worrying about them after they are born.

[Rhiannon12866]

55. +1000!

[azureblue]

31. or

one of two things - they stop forcing their religious agenda on everyone. The Bible forbids eating pork, but I don't see any of these people telling a political party to put "do not eat pork" in the parties' platforms.

Besides the Bible says that life begins at first breath so they don't havea biblical leg to stand on.

or

They start doing what Jesus tells them to do in Matthew 25:31-46. Also the other thing about the rich helping the poor, praying in private.

[Normanart]

3. Against abortion?

Donʻt get one.

[CaptYossarian]

4. After that, we can grab 'em by the...

Tell THEM to change and join the human race!

Doesn't their bank give out calendars? It's f**king 2020.

[MANative]

6. No. Nt

[no_hypocrisy]

7. Why does the Democratic Party have to change its platform?

Pro-Choice can mean supporting women who choose NOT to have an abortion, not force them to carry a child to term.

This group could have moderated its stance by asking for more federal subsidies to families with children. (I know, I know. That would discriminate against single and married women without children.) But you get the idea. Make birth control more available through government agencies. Have the government support teenagers who become pregnant and perhaps develop a program where they can be mentored as mothers-to-be. Take away the term "illegitimate" from children born without the "benefit" of marriage.

But it sounds as though these "Democrats" are really "Republican Light" as their focus is on banning abortion, period.

[fleur-de-lisa]

8. Fuck that shit.

[J_William_Ryan]

9. Everyone is opposed to abortion, including Democrats.

Democrats also support the right to privacy and oppose the state compelling women to give birth against their will through force of law.

It’s perfectly appropriate and consistent to oppose the practice of abortion and support a woman’s right to privacy.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

19. This Democrat is pro-abortion.

[NRaleighLiberal]

23. no. I don't even ask about something that is not my business.

I am pro choice. period.

[Solly Mack]

34. I don't oppose the practice of abortion. Or the act of

abortion. Or the abortion procedure. Or abortion.

Or however anyone feels the need to phrase it.

I do not oppose abortion.

[Skittles]

45. that just means you are PRO-CHOICE

[NYC Liberal]

41. That's not true at all. I have zero issues with abortion.

[summer_in_TX]

47. This Democrat believes that it would be a sin

to force a woman to carry a baby to term against her will, whether it is due to rape, incest, genetic abnormalities, the mother's inability to care for the child or any other reason.

I also believe in the sacredness of life from womb to tomb. But most pro-life Christians do not recognize that to force a woman against her will would be a grave sin.

I support choice because of that, as well as social policies that decrease the number of abortions, and provide a caring space where the mother could make her decision free of any trace of coercion.

Coercion and manipulation are sins as well. So the only right action, from my point of view, is to support a woman's right to choose;

[obamanut2012]

57. I'm not opposed to abortion

I am not opposed to ANY legitimate, consensual medical procedure, which is exactly what abortion is. Nothing more or less.

Speak for yourself, and keep our names and beliefs out of your mouth.

[Hekate]

10. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.

[Habibi]

11. Fuck no.

Period.

Don't like the Dems' stance on abortion? Too bad.

[BlueIdaho]

12. Ok, you don't have to get one if you don't want to...

But you do have to start paying taxes. That’s fair.

[LiberalFighter]

13. When will they get it through their stupid heads

they shouldn't make decisions for others about abortion?

If they read their bible they would also know that the priests were called on to decided whether a fetus would exist or not. They mixed up the potion for the woman to take. So the bible doesn't have a problem with abortion.

[paleotn]

14. No.

We're not sacrificing a woman's right to control her own body to cater to their narrow, misguided view. Want to work for social justice and fairness from a moral, religious point of view for those already walking around? I'm all about it. Want to use that same religious point of view to take away other peoples rights? No. Ain't doing it. Get pissy about it? Well, there's another party who's sole point is to take away women's rights to bodily autonomy, along with dozens of other positions crafted to shit on people. I suggest they join them.

[yellowwoodII]

15. If They Are Against Abortion--

They shouldn't get one

[azureblue]

33. Bible also forbids

going to church if you have to wear glasses or contacts (You may not approach the alter of the Lord if you have a defect in your vision.)

[chowder66]

16. Hell NO!

[50 Shades Of Blue]

18. Give so much as an inch to these misogynists, Dems, and I'm gone.

[appalachiablue]

20. Lunacy that the GOP has fostered in this country

in the last 40 years, all in pursuit of a voting block.

[BigDemVoter]

21. Ummmm. NO.

I'm of the firm opinion that abortion should be available upon demand, no questions asked.

It is entirely irrelelvant WHY a woman is seeking an abortion. It is HER decision.

[IcyPeas]

63. I agree

[rickford66]

22. They should stay in their own party.

[benld74]

24. YOU chose sides based on ONE issue

Feeling guilty now?

[BarbD]

25. Let these hypocrites first recognize the human dignity of women.

What nerve of these "Christians" to even think that the Democratic Party would consider revoking the right of a woman to control her body.

There is a Republican Party welcoming all those who don't give a damn about anyone's rights except privileged rich, white men.

[Warpy]

26. Let me guess, nearly all were men

I would suggest that if these preachers, seminary professors and "other advocates" are failing to impress their view upon their own religious flocks the necessary for not aborting unwanted pregnancy that they stick to that first before they try to insert their dogma into civil law bullying those of us who think their religions are a very large crock of shit.

To do this is to violate the establisment clause of the constitution, since they are speaking from a religious viewpoint.

We're not going back. Too many of us are still alive who remember how many women antiabortion laws killed and maimed. We remember how birth control was restricted only to the married, and discouraged there. And trust me, contraception is next.

Pushing women back into slavery is their aim. They don't give a shit about babies, or they'd be more concerined with feeding, housing, clothing, and educating them.

[Keth]

27. you know..

Recently, a cousin of mine looked at me during a family gathering (the 4th of July) and asked me why I was for abortion. Really!

I'm not for abortion. I support a woman's right to make that decision. It's not my business. It's not my body. I also told this cousin that he (of course, a Republican guy) should realize that overturning Roe vs. Wade isn't going to stop abortion. Women who want an abortion will seek a way to get one - risking their lives. I made him squirm - I was on my third, maybe fifth beer - when I told him that when Texas tried to restrict abortion before a federal judge stepped in, that women, mainly young women, were self aborting. Dangerous to their health and life, but a risk they were willing to take for whatever their reason was - and it was their reason. I told him that is why I supported a woman's right to choose. I think half of my family hated me that day, but half of them also supported me.

Sorry, but his topic touches a nerve - had someone very close to me that had to make a decision. She still struggles with it to this day, but it was her choice. Like it should be. And I supported her each step of the way.

[Digital Puppy]

28. If you don't want an abortion...

...then don't get one!

It is as simple as that.

[Efilroft Sul]

29. Tell them to direct their energies to actual kids in cages and those being forced back to school.

Prove to US that you're really pro-life. Because we don't owe you a goddamn thing.

[keithbvadu2]

30. How many children can we mark down for you and your church to adopt to decrease abortions?

To the forced-birthers: how many children can we mark down for you and your church to adopt to decrease abortions?

Why don’t conservative states just use “thoughts and prayers” to stop abortions? After all, that’s what they use when people murder actual, live children in schools.

You can even assume legal custody while the fetus is in the womb.

And after the birth.

[Lucky Luciano]

32. They can kindly fuck themselves with a chainsaw.

[James48]

35. I am a pro-life Democrat.

More than one-third of our party are pro-life Democrats.

We’re not asking YOU to change your stance on abortion. We are only asking that you recognize that other democrats have differing beliefs, and that it’s ok to be a democrat and believe that we can and should reduce the number of abortions.

Many of us believe that rigorous help for unwed mothers, like financial support, food programs, day care and other similar democratic programs can lead to a reduction in abortion. That’s what we want to work towards. But the current party platform has changed over the last few years to now make prolife Democrats unwelcome.

Please change the platform - to recognize that people can have a variety of beliefs- and still be democrats. If you do- you gain members.

Learn more about the millions who want at least the ability to be recognized that being a democrat can also mean be being prolife.

https://www.democratsforlife.org .

[musette_sf]

40. The photo on the page you linked to

has a MAN holding a "Pray To End Abortion" sign. Not to mention all the other MEN holding signs that threaten the sacred civil, human and Constitutional rights of innocent women. So just full stop with this "We’re not asking YOU to change your stance on abortion" nonsense - obviously that is EXACTLY what "D"FL wants to do to innocent women.



Your group advocates FOR vicious sidewalk stalkers who torment and harass innocent women seeking to exercise their 14th Amendment rights without obstruction or interference. From the "D"FL website:

we recently submitted an amicus briefs in a case that is hampering the efforts of sidewalk counselors who provide alternatives to abortion

Your group deliberately posts inflammatory intentionally FALSE garbage that has been amply debunked. From the "D"FL website:

“Once people know the truth, that Planned Parenthood will continue to harvest body parts from aborted babies...

Innocent people were murdered in cold blood at the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood facility, because a violent misogynist believed that FALSE, debunked garbage.


More nonsense from the "D"FL website:

For so long, many pro-life Democrats have focused on the way we have been mistreated and marginalized.

...while the FACTS are that it is the anti-American enemies of the sacred civil, human and Constitutional rights of innocent women who are mistreating and marginalizing those innocent women.


The demands on the "D"FL website are the same old disenfranchising and oppressive hate speech that gestational slavery advocates have been screeching for decades:

The 2020 party platform language on abortion must be inclusive of Democrats who oppose abortion; at the very least, it must remove the language opposing the Hyde Amendment.

We will NOT yield on the Democratic platform. We will NOT yield on opposition to the anti-woman Hyde Amendment. We will NOT accept ANY obstruction of, and interference with, convenient and unobstructed access to safe and legal pregnancy termination. We will NOT yield on the rights of innocent women to obtain late-term safe and legal pregnancy terminations, when medically appropriate.


Learn about the 2020 Democratic Party Platform, and about the millions upon millions upon millions of innocent women who desperately need, at the very least, to protect their sacred civil, human and Constitutional rights from attacks by anti-American enemies of those rights:

Securing Reproductive Health, Rights, and Justice
Democrats are committed to protecting and advancing reproductive health, rights, and justice. We believe unequivocally, like the majority of Americans, that every woman should have access to quality reproductive health care services, including safe and legal abortion—regardless of where she lives, how much money she makes, or how she is insured. We believe that reproductive health is core to women’s, men’s, and young people’s health and wellbeing. We will continue to stand up to Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood health centers, which provide critical health services to millions of people. We will continue to oppose—and seek to overturn—federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion, including by repealing the Hyde Amendment. We condemn and will combat any acts of violence, harassment, and intimidation of reproductive health providers, patients, and staff.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

54. Thank you!!!

[musette_sf]

60. my pleasure

[SharonClark]

68. Excellent response. Thank you!

[Warpy]

42. And you need to realize that not all "unwed mothers" or overwhelmed married ones

want to risk their sanity, their health and their very lives being used as brood mares to satisfy the dictates of a religion not their own.

Your belief ends where their rights begin.

[csziggy]

59. This!

Thank you, Warpy for stating what I was trying to figure out how to say.

[Humanist_Activist]

48. Trying to wrap my head around this, if you oppose making abortion illegal...

then you are pro-choice. Being for a generous welfare state may reduce the need for abortions, that's true, but that has nothing to do with making sure abortion is legal, safe, and widely available and accessible to anyone who needs one. If you oppose that, then why vote Democratic?

[GoneOffShore]

52. Can you get pregnant? No? Then you should stay in your lane.

You can however get someone pregnant. So, how about you get a vasectomy?

[SharonClark]

67. Then you should advocate for free and universal

birth control and birth control education.

[sakabatou]

36. Fuck those anti-women assholes

[ArizonaLib]

37. I am sure Nancy and Biden are having a good time with this

'cc'ing Bernie and Barack with jokes about how this group doesn't know what 'choice' means. If there were democrats in leadership who could not tolerate the thought of someone choosing abortion, they would already be republicans.

[mountain grammy]

38. No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion

Or not! That’s the answer..

[LakeArenal]

39. Of course, now that their god given prezdent is losing big time....

May they beseech til they turn to salt.

Democratic agendas call for freedom to excercise their constitutional right to an abortion. Or should we say medical autonomy which is what it is.

[Javaman]

43. The x-tains a fishing around for some that will have them

If only someone meets their demands.

They think they are all that, but it’s appearing they they ain’t.

[bringthePaine]

44. they can grow closer to their BS beliefs by stIcking them up their nosey asses - MYOB

[Skittles]

46. oh FUCK THEM

they don't seem to have a problem with KIDS IN CAGES

[usajumpedtheshark]

49. And they could care less once the child is born and are no longer of any use to them

[Dan]

50. F--k them,

if they cared as much about those alive as they did the unborn.

[Gore1FL]

51. We are totally friendly to abortion opponents, already.

We simply don't align our platform with them.

[LittleGirl]

53. TAX THE CHURCHES!!!

Damn it. Concentrate on those babies at the border in cages and in foster care that are being neglected and abused. FFS.

[sinkingfeeling]

56. No.

[NurseJackie]

58. No.

[myccrider]

61. This Democrat says N.O. n/t

[SharonAnn]

62. NO. Just "No".

They are the ones that need to give up their policies that promote deaths of children, immigrants, poor people, etc. Just give up those policies (including R-W judges).

[qwlauren35]

64. Hold On

I am pro-abortion. Really, really pro-abortion.

However, it's not clear to me exactly what this group is asking for. If they are strictly asking that the platform not include "federal funding of abortion in any circumstance", I might be able to go along with that. I'm not sure what circumstances are appropriate for the federal government to fund or not fund abortion.

So, if they replaced the wording with something else that is clearly pro-choice, but does not involve government funding, I think I would be okay.

Perhaps someone can give me some more details about government funding for abortions.

[Politicub]

65. It's a crock to hear Christians speak of dignity.

They could care less about the hungry, homeless and poor.

[Hotler]

66. Amen! nt

[hatrack]

69. Two words: "Fuck" and "No".

[area51]

70. They have no intention of voting dem,

and if they really cared about keeping people alive, they'd fight for Medicare for All.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

71. My counter question to them would be... what do you propose re: working together

on safe, affordable, easily accessible idiot-proof BIRTH CONTROL????? Furthermore, how do they propose to change American culture so more people take ownership of their sexuality and take responsibility for preventing unwanted pregnancies?

If theres not an agreement on abortion, then what CAN be agreed upon? Let's work with that.

If all they got is abstinence though.....then forget it. That hasnt really worked for however many mmillions of years of homo sapiens. It's not gonna work now.