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Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:39 PM

Trump says he will ban TikTok from operating in the US

Source: The Hill

President Trump on Friday said he plans to ban the social media platform TikTok from operating in the United States.

“As far as TikTok is concerned, we’re banning them from the United States,” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One.

The president said he could use emergency economic powers or an executive order to officially bar the Chinese-owned company from the U.S. He signaled he was not supportive of allowing an American company to acquire TikTok.

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Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/510100-trump-says-he-will-ban-tiktok-from-operating-in-the-us

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Reply Trump says he will ban TikTok from operating in the US (Original post)
highplainsdem Jul 31 OP
Lithos Jul 31 #1
LeftInTX Aug 1 #30
More_Cowbell Aug 1 #47
LeftInTX Aug 1 #49
Lithos Aug 1 #52
jmowreader Jul 31 #2
Zambero Jul 31 #9
Calista241 Aug 1 #76
klook Jul 31 #3
Lefta Dissenter Jul 31 #8
AllyCat Aug 1 #17
klook Aug 1 #55
Bleacher Creature Jul 31 #4
IllinoisBirdWatcher Jul 31 #6
cstanleytech Aug 1 #23
ProfessorGAC Aug 1 #75
LeftInTX Aug 1 #31
louzke9 Aug 1 #58
AleksS Jul 31 #5
dalton99a Jul 31 #7
IcyPeas Aug 1 #22
LeftInTX Aug 1 #32
mahina Aug 1 #35
catsudon Aug 1 #48
Nexus2 Aug 1 #68
Grokenstein Jul 31 #10
Coventina Jul 31 #11
catsudon Aug 1 #26
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 31 #12
George II Jul 31 #13
Zoonart Jul 31 #14
ForgoTheConsequence Jul 31 #15
flibbitygiblets Jul 31 #16
Tommymac Aug 1 #18
keithbvadu2 Aug 1 #19
ismnotwasm Aug 1 #20
cstanleytech Aug 1 #21
catsudon Aug 1 #50
cstanleytech Aug 1 #51
vercetti2021 Aug 1 #24
Renew Deal Aug 1 #25
Tommymac Aug 1 #27
LeftInTX Aug 1 #44
catsudon Aug 1 #28
Renew Deal Aug 1 #29
catsudon Aug 1 #36
LeftInTX Aug 1 #37
catsudon Aug 1 #40
LeftInTX Aug 1 #41
xmas74 Aug 1 #71
LeftInTX Aug 1 #73
Calista241 Aug 1 #77
Sapient Donkey Aug 1 #33
catsudon Aug 1 #39
caraher Aug 1 #34
catsudon Aug 1 #45
ismnotwasm Aug 1 #65
kimbutgar Aug 1 #38
LeftInTX Aug 1 #42
captain queeg Aug 1 #43
JI7 Aug 1 #46
EarthFirst Aug 1 #53
Illumination Aug 1 #54
UpInArms Aug 1 #56
crickets Aug 1 #61
bucolic_frolic Aug 1 #57
paleotn Aug 1 #59
Mr. Ected Aug 1 #60
lonely bird Aug 1 #62
xmas74 Aug 1 #72
lonely bird Aug 2 #81
xmas74 Aug 2 #82
DVRacer Aug 1 #63
lonely bird Aug 1 #64
DVRacer Aug 1 #67
lonely bird Aug 2 #79
Sapient Donkey Aug 2 #80
lark Aug 1 #66
marble falls Aug 1 #69
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:40 PM

1. Bone to Zuck

And a pander to his (Trump's) racist followers.

L-

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Response to Lithos (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:23 AM

30. No...Tik Tok are short videos

You can watch Tik Tok videos on FB or wherever.....

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:19 AM

47. But Zuck has a TikTok competitor coming out

Called Reels (he tried another one, Lasso, last year)

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Response to More_Cowbell (Reply #47)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:38 AM

49. Oh OK

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 03:40 AM

52. Zuck has a monopoly

and TikToq is threatening this...

And he has a competitor in the works...

So this a salvation for Zuck being late to this party...

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:46 PM

2. Well, there goes the youth vote

And how, exactly, does Trump plan to keep TikTok from being accessible to Americans?

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:12 PM

9. This will definitely Tik off the Tokkers

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 07:46 PM

76. I would bet he'll try to get Apple and Google to remove it from their app stores.

If he can justify potential security breaches, he could probably do it. It'd only work on jailbroken phones then, and that has a whole other set of problems.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:47 PM

3. Sarah Cooper will still be on Youtube.

Knowing Traitor Tot’s petty, thin-skinned narcissism, I wouldn’t be surprised if her TikTok posts were a factor.

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Response to klook (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:12 PM

8. I'm "of a certain age,"

So Sarah Cooper is literally the only contact I’ve ever had with TikTok. I’m guessing she’s smart enough to show up on just about any platform she’d like.

He is such an idiot baby.

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Response to Lefta Dissenter (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:09 AM

17. Hi, Lefta! Me too! She is all I know about Tik Tok

But I love her. Hope you are all well!

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Response to Lefta Dissenter (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 06:38 AM

55. Heh, same here.

I'll keep on getting along fine without Tiktok.

Another thing: with the tech billionaires testifying on Capitol Hill this week (and Bill Gates's old company trying to buy Tiktok), it was killing Trump for them to be in the spotlight, and he wanted it to shine on himself instead.

I'm so looking forward to the day when we can go a whole day without hearing his odious name.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:52 PM

4. Does this have anything to do with the role TikTok played in the Tulsa rally fiasco? NT

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:59 PM

6. Is there any doubt at all? n/t

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:48 AM

23. Don't you mean "roll"? I ask because we saw more tumbleweeds rolling than people

at that Trump rally in Tulsa.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 05:53 PM

75. Nicely Done!

Cool play on words!

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:24 AM

31. I'm sure it does

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 07:37 AM

58. OF COURSE!

Why else would Trump oppose even an American company to acquire it"

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 10:57 PM

5. Can anyone think of some other countries whose government

Can anyone think of some other countries whose government decides which internet services and websites and apps its citizens are allowed to access?

Wonder if the "Muh freedumbs" brigade will have anything to say about this.......not holding my breath.

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Response to AleksS (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:00 PM

7. NEXT: Trump bans non-Goya products from grocery shelves


Only patriotic brands are allowed


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Response to AleksS (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:47 AM

22. His buddy in North Korea.

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Response to AleksS (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:27 AM

32. Iran and China are the biggest. Turkey also censors.

I'm sure Afghanistan does..I think even India bans some apps and services.

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Response to AleksS (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:32 AM

35. Gaina

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Response to AleksS (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:27 AM

48. India

and incidentally, Indonesia for awhile

when an app is horrible, we have to view it as such. we can dislike trump and tiktok at the same time.

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Response to AleksS (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 03:14 PM

68. Of course they won't say a word

Only dumb Libs use Tik Tok, they never would, never did, nope. BTW, And did you know we've always been at war with Eastasisa?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:17 PM

10. Yeah, that's "leadership" in a time of crisis.

Go roll around in a grease fire, Tiny Toadstool.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:21 PM

11. I gotta say, this is one action I agree with.

Tik Tok is Chinese spyware.

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Response to Coventina (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:09 AM

26. i agree

stopped clock....

other countries are doing it... in fact i fault him for being too slow

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:23 PM

12. Let me guess

They weren't very nice to him.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:23 PM

13. He probably thinks it's "Tic Tac", and he's still embarrassed about asking for a Tic Tac in the....

....Access Hollywood video.

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Response to George II (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:28 PM

14. *snort*

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:33 PM

15. This has everything to do with Tulsa.

Almost every piece of technology we use is made in China, why else single out this specific app?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:49 PM

16. So, we're just full-on authoritarian dictator mode now, is it?

Today Gym Jordan was trying to get Fauci to say that protesters should be stopped because of coronavirus

Yesterday Shitler floated postponing the elections.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:12 AM

18. Fuck Donnie.

He's an absolute idiot.

If he tries it and anyone wants to know how to use vpn servers based outside the USA, or free DNS sites to connect to TikTok ping me - I'll show the way.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:38 AM

19. Snowflake

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:43 AM

20. I love TikTok

Really interested to see how this plays out.

It is essentially spyware, but so are smart phones and apps ect..

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:45 AM

21. Does the blockhead even understand that such a ban is pretty much futile on the internet?

Even China has trouble controlling what their people have internet access to and that is with very tight internet blocking software with extremely draconian provisions for violating them.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #21)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:43 AM

50. from india

the ban is already affecting millions of users across India, who are unable to use the blacklisted apps.

"As China has shown, governments can indeed block apps - not just remove them from the app stores, which has already happened in India, so you can't install them afresh or upgrade an existing install," says tech policy expert Prasanto K Roy.

He adds that although there are ways to get around the ban, it will "effectively kill" popular apps.

"If over 95% of 100 million users exit, that kills the 'network effect' and most of the content, and hence an app like TikTok is no longer attractive."

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Response to catsudon (Reply #50)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 03:22 AM

51. Might work as far as Apple since they are largely a closed app eco system but it will be weak

when it comes to blocking apps from running on android inside the US since there are many 3rd party sites to download android apps and sideload them.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:49 AM

24. And you think that'll stop em?

Zoomers are just getting started and with this? Bro lol you don't know what you are fucking with

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:57 AM

25. How is that going to work?

I'm not sure how you execute such an action without taking control of the internet.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #25)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:14 AM

27. It isn't going to work...

By design the internet infrastructure is a hard beast to kill.

It was created to provide a secure, continuous, non-centralized communication path in case of Nuclear War.

I guess you could take some measure of control over the mainstream WWW, by compromising the Root DNS servers, but that won't stop the Dark Web or some older legacy protocols. Harder to use, but there are ways.

Besides, TikTok makes too much money...I think that perhaps this is a gesture to his asshat protege Zuckerburg more then anything else.

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Response to Tommymac (Reply #27)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:48 AM

44. I really don't see a connection between Tik Tok and FB

Tik Tok is just short videos, which are often shown on FB.

FB does promote FB Live, but it's clunky. I would rather just film something and upload it to YouTube than FB Live. (Mainly because I don't like filming live stuff)

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #25)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:18 AM

28. easily done

put a region lock on the apps in apple store (they've already move their production to india, they would not be able to make iphone in china anymore due to TSMC will not sell 5nm ics to china anymore), so im sure apple is on board.

i'm sure google play can do the same

now, that is not a 100% ban, people who really want to, can probably download apk and install it on their phone.

but once the tiktok server are off line in america, i believe the only way to get around is to download the Chinese version of tiktok which is douyin and connect to the server back in china.

or some hacker can probably run a emulation private server to get it to work.


avg kids dont have time for that... when vine died, kids moved to tiktok.... so i believe they will just use some other clones
it was a pain in the butt for me to download a japanese region app, i had to have a japanese playstore account and change my phone to the asia region. then go back to english. then when there is an update, i have to repeat the process (if you do not have vpn)

eh i can write a few pages....

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Response to catsudon (Reply #28)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:21 AM

29. Go read about Russia banning Telegram and come back.

It's not as easy as you think.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #29)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:34 AM

36. nothing is full proof

if you make it hard for avg people to use, less and less people will use it.

telegram is a different type of app that is harder to kill...like PGP, the government will never be able to ban that form of communication

tiktok have more moving parts to make it work, so it is easier to block some elements and disrupt regular users. people love tiktok because of how easy it is to use.

just do what Microsoft ie did with netscape.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #29)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:38 AM

37. I can't watch YouTube videos that are banned in the US

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #37)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:41 AM

40. use a vpn to get around

some people are persistent, some are not.

i can get around it, but it is just easier for me to find another video to watch.

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Response to catsudon (Reply #40)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:43 AM

41. Yeah I just watch something else. No use installing a VPN to watch a movie

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #37)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 05:43 PM

71. VPN.

I use it all the time.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #71)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 05:46 PM

73. But it's a hassle

Tik Tok is mostly a phone thing...and even on a computer, the clips mostly last less than a minute.

I just can't imagine using a VPN to watch silly clips on Tik Tok

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #29)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 07:51 PM

77. You don't have to get every single copy.

If they can just get most of the people who don't have a jailbroken iphone, then they're golden. social media content creators want people to actually view their content. If vastly fewer people are going to tik tok, they'll move their content onto another platform.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:28 AM

33. As much as I would discourage people from using TikTok, I think this is stupid.

Are there any other similar cases of the US banning citizens from using an app? How would that even work in practice? Force service providers to block? Force device manufacturers to ban it? That seems very China-like. Even if they did that, people will just by-pass any technology blocks if they really really want to.

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Response to Sapient Donkey (Reply #33)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:40 AM

39. depends on a few things

how hard is it to get around the ban.
how easy is it to use an alternative.

on my work iphone, im not allow to use facebook, and it is locked down. i can either jailbreak the phone and remove the restriction (risk getting fired) or alternatively use my personal phone to check fb

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:31 AM

34. Way to go, tackling the real issues

Because if anything is on Americans' minds in 2020, it's the menace to life and democracy posed by TikTok.

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Response to caraher (Reply #34)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:48 AM

45. I hope it's banned everywhere.

I'm sick of people using their pets and animals as fucking props for video views. Less of an audience, the less it will happen. At least i hope.

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Response to catsudon (Reply #45)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:11 PM

65. Wow.

There are many reasons to not use TikTok, as it eats personal information and comes out of an brutally oppressive regimen but to me, making happy little videos about ones cat or horse isn’t one of them. In fact, those kind of things are what make the app enjoyable.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:38 AM

38. He can't do that

It’s just a loser whining.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #38)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:44 AM

42. I think he can

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:44 AM

43. By tomorrow TikTok will be full of clips making fun of him

Maybe there already are

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:48 AM

46. India banned it but people there are still using it and those stupid dance clips

are everywhere.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 05:14 AM

53. He'll walk it back on Sunday.... nt

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 06:32 AM

54. Rump's focus should be on strong leadership with C-19. What a joke!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 07:10 AM

56. This is his retribution for tulsa

Thinskinned tiny hands is having a TikTok fit ...

Teens, TikTok Users and K-Pop Fans Might Have Tricked Trump Into Expecting a Huge Turnout for His Widely-Hyped Tulsa Rally

Anticipating an overflowing crowd, the campaign had even prepared a stage outside Tulsa’s BOK Center where the President could address supporters. President Donald Trump himself had said earlier in the week that he expected a “record-setting crowd” despite the threat of the COVID-19 pandemic.

“We’ve never had an empty seat, and we certainly won’t in Oklahoma,” said Trump.

But ultimately, the turnout did not stand up to the campaign’s expectations. The outdoor events did not materialize, presumably as it became clear that there weren’t even enough supporters to fill all of the empty seats in the arena, let alone a sizable overflowing crowd. A Tulsa Fire Department spokesperson told Forbes that only 6,200 people attended the rally — less than half the venue’s 19,200 seating capacity.


So, pouty mouth as to have his temper tantrum ...

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Response to UpInArms (Reply #56)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 09:58 AM

61. Yep, he's never going to forgive the K-Pop fans for their role in the Tulsa fiasco.

They are a huge force to reckon with. I think he's going to fail again if he thinks this will slow them down.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 07:22 AM

57. "We will ban use of the word recession" said Alfred Kahn

We will call it a "banana".

Once you ban something, it's all people can think about.

If Trump required you to spend 3 hours a day on Facebook, the platform would crash by the end of the month.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 09:02 AM

59. Once again....Donnie....

It doesn't work that way. You're not "banning" a goddamn thing. Ugh.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 09:33 AM

60. Hey, instead, let's ban the FOX news app instead

It's pretty obviously Russian spyware.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 10:27 AM

62. Hey! That means no more Moonpie Starbox and Buttercup!

I no it’s silly but I like Moonpie and Buttercup.

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #62)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 05:44 PM

72. Moon pie is adorable

I follow Moonpie

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #72)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 12:14 PM

81. When they introduced Buttercup I was all...aaawwwwww.

Buttercup is so cute.

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #81)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 06:46 PM

82. I know!

They cheer me up.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 10:57 AM

63. I think people need to be more aware of what it can do

Whether a ban would even work is debatable. What people need to realize is until recently it had the capability to seriously compromise your data specifically your clipboard on iOS devices. Access to this data is whereby you have the device store your login data for websites and apps.

Already most large companies and DOD have forbade its installation by employees. It comes off as a cute way to share short videos but what it actually does is harvest data from the user. Notice it is forbidden in its country of origin for reasons more than videos.

In a previous life I was an Intelligence Specialist for the Navy with an old ass degree in Computer Science. I can only imagine the warnings are from dedicated people that really do care about security.

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Response to DVRacer (Reply #63)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 11:46 AM

64. OK, now please explain something as I have little knowledge in this area

In what way are so-called clouds secure?

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #64)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:07 PM

67. That's not something I have experience with.

I cut my teeth on Token Ring in the 80’s lol.
My guess is it involves encryption on both ends that is multi layered. Cloud based is just a fancy way of saying it’s on a server somewhere else and using TCP/IP to retrieve it. Google and others spent time and money building server farms with mega data storage capability.

Funny thing our nukes are still using 8” floppy disks from the 70’s on systems that have no connectivity with other computers because it cannot be hacked. DOD is actively testing “cloud” use for some data it hasn’t gone as well as hoped. White Hat hackers have exposed many open ports that allowed access. In short nothing is truly safe if connected nor if rouge data like a thumb drive is introduced.

This may help
https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/ddos/glossary/open-systems-interconnection-model-osi/

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Response to DVRacer (Reply #67)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 08:33 AM

79. Your response re: clouds

That is exactly what I thought. In short, nothing is truly secure unless a computer simply is not connected to other computers.

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Response to DVRacer (Reply #67)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 10:21 AM

80. Token Ring... My precious.

I remember reading about token ring as an old outdated technology back when I was starting out almost 20 years ago. Damn, that's depressing to say. 20 years. I did pull out an old install of token ring a long time ago, though. Anyway, aren't they just now finally getting around to replacing those old floppies with zip disks the nuclear silos? I'm kidding about the zip disks, but I do recall reading they are upgrading to use USB sticks or something.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:40 PM

66. He's butt hurt because they've been messing with his rallies.

He is such a fucking baby.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 04:06 PM

69. Take down RT first.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 05:41 PM

70. I thought he was the job creator.

Tiktok employs 1200 people in the US with plans to employ upwards of 10,000 more over the next three years. This doesn't include Tiktokers who have monetized their accounts through various means.

So is he no longer the "job creator"?

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Sat Aug 1, 2020, 05:52 PM

74. He thinks banning TikTok will decrease who can make fun of him???????

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Sat Aug 1, 2020, 10:17 PM

78. Microsoft in advanced talks to buy TikTok's US business....

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-in-advanced-talks-to-buy-tiktoks-us-business-2020-08-01

Closing down TikTok won't stop ticked off teens, etc from mocking Trump. These kids are very social media/computer/internet smart and savvy so will just find other ways to push his buttons.

It would be well for politicians in general to remember that a whole lot of these 'kids' are old enough to vote this time or soon will be and kids these days seem to really know how to hold a grudge.

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