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Sat Aug 1, 2020, 12:58 PM

Russia preparing mass vaccination against coronavirus for October

Source: Reuters

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's health minister is preparing a mass vaccination campaign against the novel coronavirus for October, local news agencies reported on Saturday, after a vaccine completed clinical trials.

Health Minister Mikhail Murashko said the Gamaleya Institute, a state research facility in Moscow, had completed clinical trials of the vaccine and paperwork is being prepared to register it, Interfax news agency reported.

He said doctors and teachers would be the first to be vaccinated.

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Yet the speed at which Russia is moving to roll it out has prompted some Western media to question whether Moscow is putting national prestige before science and safety.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-preparing-mass-vaccination-against-coronavirus-for-october/ar-BB17rDiy?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=DELLDHP



So is Trump going to try to buy some from Putin as part of an October surprise?

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Reply Russia preparing mass vaccination against coronavirus for October (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 1 OP
soothsayer Aug 1 #1
soothsayer Aug 1 #2
mountain grammy Aug 1 #28
rurallib Aug 1 #3
C Moon Aug 1 #23
Talitha Aug 1 #27
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JudyM Aug 1 #38
elleng Aug 1 #4
magicarpet Aug 1 #5
AZ8theist Aug 1 #36
ashredux Aug 1 #6
Initech Aug 1 #8
brush Aug 1 #7
Marie Marie Aug 1 #19
brush Aug 1 #21
not_the_one Aug 1 #48
brush Aug 2 #53
mr_lebowski Aug 2 #54
LTG Aug 1 #33
tinrobot Aug 1 #9
AZ8theist Aug 1 #37
tinrobot Aug 1 #40
AZ8theist Aug 1 #45
Sancho Aug 1 #10
totodeinhere Aug 1 #11
roamer65 Aug 1 #12
totodeinhere Aug 1 #15
oldsoftie Aug 1 #20
totodeinhere Aug 1 #31
oldsoftie Aug 1 #43
LisaL Aug 2 #50
oldsoftie Aug 2 #57
LisaL Aug 2 #60
totodeinhere Aug 2 #51
oldsoftie Aug 2 #59
LisaL Aug 2 #64
oldsoftie Aug 2 #66
totodeinhere Aug 2 #67
LisaL Aug 2 #61
totodeinhere Aug 2 #68
roamer65 Aug 1 #26
totodeinhere Aug 1 #32
AZ8theist Aug 1 #39
oldsoftie Aug 1 #44
AZ8theist Aug 1 #46
oldsoftie Aug 2 #58
LisaL Aug 1 #41
Bernardo de La Paz Aug 1 #13
NCDem47 Aug 1 #14
totodeinhere Aug 1 #16
groundloop Aug 1 #17
LisaL Aug 1 #42
mr_lebowski Aug 2 #55
NCjack Aug 1 #18
bronxiteforever Aug 1 #22
C Moon Aug 1 #24
bucolic_frolic Aug 1 #25
SunSeeker Aug 1 #29
Iggo Aug 1 #30
Lithos Aug 1 #34
McKim Aug 1 #35
Lithos Aug 1 #47
LisaL Aug 2 #62
bronxiteforever Aug 2 #65
Sapient Donkey Aug 1 #49
Wolf Frankula Aug 2 #52
Xolodno Aug 2 #56
LisaL Aug 2 #63
Initech Aug 4 #69

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:01 PM

1. Maybe all the ruskies die and we take over the country?

Drumpf can be dictator for life there

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:02 PM

2. Until day 2 where he falls out a window

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Response to soothsayer (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 04:01 PM

28. hahaha

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:18 PM

3. Is Trump getting vaccinated? He is a high ranking employee.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 03:20 PM

23. Ha ha ha ha!!

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Response to rurallib (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 03:43 PM

27. Nicely played!!!

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Response to rurallib (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 06:56 PM

38. !

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:19 PM

4. Swell, another pissing contest with russkies,

this one putin v tramp!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:31 PM

5. It is safe to assume that Putie's mushroom is not smaller than trDumpie's.

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 06:50 PM

36. You are correct..plus..

330 pounds covers up a LOT OF MUSHROOM.

Just ask my wife.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:33 PM

6. Be afraid of any Trump claim of a vaccination this October

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Response to ashredux (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:43 PM

8. Oh yeah, you know that will be his "October Surprise".

I just hope we don't fall for his bullshit this time.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:43 PM

7. Seems too quick. I'll stick with Dr. Fauci who doesn't...

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anticipate a fully tested vaccine until next year.

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Response to brush (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:50 PM

19. "fully tested" is the difference.

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Response to Marie Marie (Reply #19)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:54 PM

21. Yes. I wouldn't trust a rushed Russian vaccine designed to help trump...

get re-elected.

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Response to brush (Reply #21)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 10:50 PM

48. This is a two-fer for the turd and putin.

The turd can miraculously offer Americans, as an October surprise, a "cure" (aka vaccine), which he receives from russia, which will boost the turd's positive poll numbers while ALSO brainwashing (some) Americans that russia is not a bad country... making the whole "russia's interventions in American elections are not such a bad thing" argument, just in time for the election.

It doesn't give any time for the vaccine to prove itself, or for Americans to question the timing of the release...

There are many Americans gullible enough to fall for it.

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Response to not_the_one (Reply #48)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 01:13 AM

53. Good analysis. Agreed that some gullible ones will fall for it.

Not enough though IMO. trump has screwed the country up too much for even this October surprise.

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Response to not_the_one (Reply #48)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:47 AM

54. That was roughly my take on it as well ... and as aside, guessing nobody will actually BE vaccinated

in either country in the month of October 2020.

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Response to brush (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 05:13 PM

33. In his testimony before Congress

Didn’t Fauci say that with the very positive results in human and primate testing he is cautiously optimistic that a vaccine will be approved by late fall, early winter?

I’m paraphrasing as I don’t have the exact quote in front of me, but listening to him it sounded to me like he believed it very possible vaccinations could begin before year’s end.

Of course first vaccinations would go first to first responders, medical personnel and other frontline workers. They would be followed by the most vulnerable, as vaccine stocks allow. The majority of the public would get theirs early next year.

It sounds like they’ve already begun manufacture of many millions of doses of the mostly likely to be approved.

If that’s “warp speed” the Russians must be in “trans-warp speed” or, as in Spaceballs, even “ludicrous speed”.

Of course I could have misinterpreted what I thought I heard. My wife accuses me of that frequently.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:47 PM

9. I honestly hope they create a successful vaccine, but I have my doubts.

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Response to tinrobot (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 06:52 PM

37. Seriously? This is total BS....propaganda...

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #37)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 09:17 PM

40. You're probably right. That's why I said I have doubts.

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Response to tinrobot (Reply #40)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 10:02 PM

45. You can't trust NOBODY....

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:48 PM

10. Health Minister Mikhail Murashko looks like a Hitchcock movie madman...

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:50 PM

11. I hope that they aren't rushing an untested vaccine into the mainstream that might cause

complications later. As we know things like that can happen. But on the other hand, if this turns out to be a safe and effective vaccine then that's good news. We desperately need a save effective vaccine in order to save lives. I would accept a safe vaccine from the devil himself if it came to that so I am not concerned about this coming from Putin if it works. But we shall see.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 01:56 PM

12. This really prompts one question from me.

Did the Russians have advance knowledge of this virus and already have a vaccine in development?

It’s either an untested rush job, or they already had work going on it.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:19 PM

15. Every expert I have heard from agrees that this virus jumped from another species to humans.

So I don't see how the Russians could have had advanced knowledge of something like that. Only crazy conspiracy theorists think it's man made. Most of them are right wingers by the way.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/scientists-strong-evidence-coronavirus-originated-naturally/story?id=70207409

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:53 PM

20. The only thin that makes me suspicious of it is how random the effects are.

I mean, almost every illness has a basic list of problems & side effects. But this shit has a new symptom or side effect every week. You cant taste or smell. Your hair falls out. Headaches. Heart problems. Etc etc. And many seem to have no relation to the respiratory system.
But I am not a conspiracy guy either. Like what seems 1/2 the world is now days.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 04:39 PM

31. Yes, I agree that at this point it is pretty baffling.

Hopefully as we learn more about it we will have the information we need to figure out therapeutics. Remember for instance that the aids virus has been around for 30 years or more and we are still learning about it and we still do not have a vaccine for it. Of course some conspiracy theories also said that it was man-made.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #31)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 09:59 PM

43. Local doctors are saying that the cases they're seeing now are not as severe as 4 months ago

And they credited a few things; people paying better attention, more info on treatment & possibly a weaker virus. I've heard similar stories from other areas as well
Like you mentioned aids; now we have people living decades who are HIV positive because of all the new developments. I just hope it doesnt take 30 yrs to figure out this Covid!!

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #43)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 12:20 AM

50. I don't know what local doctors are saying that.

I've seen nothing to suggest this virus is somehow weaker. Deaths are going up again. We are averaging around 1,000 a day.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #50)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 07:22 AM

57. Local in the area that I live. I know who they are & they're real doctors.

Not the YouTube 'stars" that you've never heard of
One updates people on FB on a semi-regular basis on our city page. He has said from the start that people need to pay attention & that this is a real issue. Our hospital also releases covid admission numbers on a daily basis & we can see numbers go up & down much quicker than the original spike. So I believe what he's saying. And he just said its "possible" that it could be weaker than before, as all viruses mutate as time goes by. SARS just went away all of a sudden after 8-9 months and still nobody knows why! Be great if that happened with this, but seriously I doubt it.

The case numbers arent as important to me as the hospitalizations. We all know there was sparse testing in the first phases of this, so a ton of cases were missed. But you cant hide/fake/ screw up admissions.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #57)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 08:42 AM

60. Well it sure as hell is not happening in my area.

All our numbers are going up.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #43)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 12:25 AM

51. Yes, that's an encouraging trend. But as far as number of people getting infected goes we are

not making progress. And hospitals in some areas are being overwhelmed. So I don't think we are out of the woods yet but those are some encouraging signs that you mentioned. And we can hope that the trend continues.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #51)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 07:27 AM

59. I think if we'd see MASSIVE mask use, things would improve. Look at Taiwan.

I think they've had 600-700 cases TOTAL since this started. They started pushing masks at the very beginning, along with shutting down travel from China
They're going to baseball games & their kids are in school.
And they are 27 million people living in mostly close quarters

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #59)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 08:48 AM

64. Taiwan doesn't have anti-maskers like we do.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #64)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 09:27 AM

66. Thats my point!

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Response to LisaL (Reply #64)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 11:38 AM

67. In fact, the use of masks in public was common in some parts of Asia even before

Covid broke out. Masks were often used to combat the common seasonal flu as well.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #51)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 08:43 AM

61. Trend? Have you looked at the numbers country wide?

Deaths are very clearly going up. It's not a trend if it's only happening in some small local area.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #61)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 11:41 AM

68. The trend I was referring to was this comment upthread from another poster.

Local doctors are saying that the cases they're seeing now are not as severe as 4 months ago.


That is an encouraging trend. But in another comment I said the same thing you did that cases are going up.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 03:38 PM

26. I never will trust the Russians.

Ever.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #26)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 04:41 PM

32. No, of course not. But that does not mean that somehow the Russians are involved

in some sort of conspiracy over a virus that almost any expert agrees occured naturally.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #26)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 06:57 PM

39. Neither will I...NEVER.

This is bullshit PROPAGANDA initiated to get their traitor Doturd re-elected to complete their stated goal to destroy the United States of America. Nothing more, nothing less.

ANYTHING and EVERYTHING coming out of Putins trailer park is BULLSHIT. PURE, UNADULTERATED BULLSHIT.

They don't have a vaccine and probably never will, unless they hack it from a western lab.

RUSSIA IS OUR FUCKING ENEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAKE. THE. FUCK. UP.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #39)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 10:01 PM

44. Why would anyone vote for trump based on the Russians MAYBE having a vaccine?

But i agree with never trusting them. Or the Chinese either. Both regularly show that they CANT be trusted

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #44)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 10:06 PM

46. Why? Because of IMBECILES like this.....

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #46)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 07:23 AM

58. Well, what the hell can I say to THAT. Jeebus.......

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 09:28 PM

41. Many countries had vaccines in development for SARS or MERS.

Then just used the existing technology to change it to covid.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:07 PM

13. USA preparing mass vaccination for November


... against tRump.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:13 PM

14. I've been to Russia.

Literally, nothing works there.

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Response to NCDem47 (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:22 PM

16. I would not go that far but I know what you mean.

When I visited St. Petersburg a few years ago I was impressed with how beautiful and clean the city was. But the heater in my hotel room rattled and I had trouble sleeping.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:24 PM

17. THIS IS the October Surprise, just wait.

tRump will shortly announce that we will have a vaccine ready just before the election. Even if the vaccine is untested, doesn't work, or even if it's simply saline solution, people will begin getting doses of it in early November. All of a sudden - "YAY, tRump saved the country."

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Response to groundloop (Reply #17)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 09:29 PM

42. A lot of his followers don't even believe in vaccines.

You can't even make them wear masks. You think they will be impressed by a vaccine?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #42)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:53 AM

55. Something they can call 'Trump Vaccine'? It will be the most Holy Grail Lottery Winningest

Most Utter Badass Thing The Universe Has Ever Seen in the knuckledragging cult member fantasy universe.

They'll be speaking in tongues and self-flagellating right and left.

You kidding me?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:44 PM

18. Another event in which the cabinet members will have to give him bigly praise

for curing a problem that he caused.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 02:59 PM

22. To quote Masha Gessen's New Yorker article this week

An old Soviet joke: “What doesn’t buzz and doesn’t fit in your ass? A Soviet machine for buzzing inside your ass.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/why-america-feels-like-a-post-soviet-state?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=onsite-share&utm_brand=the-new-yorker&utm_social-type=earned

Replace Soviet and put Russian and that pretty much is my skepticism about this.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 03:22 PM

24. They'll give out a placebo vaccine, and then have Trump buy billions of dollars worth for the U.S.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 03:23 PM

25. Yes this is fake news for Trump's October Surprise

A vaccination that has no vaccine other than political inoculation.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 04:04 PM

29. How could it have possibly be adequately tested for safety and efficiency?

I suspect Putin skipped that step, which I understand takes at least 6 months

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 04:37 PM

30. I hope it works.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 06:15 PM

34. This is just a Phase 3 trial

They are just spinning what is essentially the start of a Phase 3 trial. There are already four other Phase 3 trials at the moment, so this is not new. Given Russian hackers were caught trying to break in and steal the research of other countries' research efforts over Covid, I doubt they are ahead. Also Putin's image is taking a major blow at the moment inside of Russia, he has to be demonstrating he's on top of this and getting things done.

L-

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Response to Lithos (Reply #34)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 06:29 PM

35. We Need International Scientific Cooperation not War

We need international scientific cooperation and collaboration to solve COVID-19. It is past time to rave about competition and skullduggery and conspiracy theories. We need WHO to be fully funded and made more powerful. Let’s stop all the vaccine wars talk, please.

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Response to McKim (Reply #35)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 10:38 PM

47. Not following...

I agree we need international cooperation here and that WHO should be more funded. But I also want to make sure that whatever is reported is correct. When Cold War Language ("Sputnik" is used, this suggests there is motivation beyond just the basic medical science. That is how Chernobyls are created.

But to repeat, what they have is a successful test with a very small group of people. They are about to enter into Phase 3 trials. The ramp-up they are doing is no different than the contracts which have already been done in the US and UK to various pharma companies to prepare to distribute large doses of the vaccine once it is available.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04436471?cond=COVID-19&map_cntry=RU&draw=2&rank=3

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Response to Lithos (Reply #34)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 08:46 AM

62. I think Russians plan to skip phase 3 trials and go right to giving it to the population.

There is a real danger in that, as some vaccines can actually make the disease worse for a vaccinated person.

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Response to Lithos (Reply #34)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 09:07 AM

65. +1 great points Lithos!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 1, 2020, 11:59 PM

49. The Russians are rushin'

Zing!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 12:36 AM

52. But aren't they worried about Jenny McCarthy?

We all know vaccines cause Jenny McCarthy. I hope their vaccine works.

Wolf

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 02:59 AM

56. Doesn't surprise me...

...Russia is known to take risks. Sometimes it works...other times, not so much. Obviously, even in the USA and Europe, a rushed vaccine still gets significant testing. Whereas in Russia, hey, lets test it on the populace.

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Response to Xolodno (Reply #56)

Sun Aug 2, 2020, 08:47 AM

63. Yes, it could work. Or not.

Some vaccines are dangerous and can make the disease worse. So there is a real danger in not fully testing the vaccine.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2020, 12:48 AM

69. To quote Jason Bateman from Dodgeball:

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