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Polybius

(15,525 posts)
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:48 AM Aug 2020

Trump Promises Executive Orders On Unemployment, Student Loans And Eviction Ban After Stimulus Talks

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Source: Forbes

With key benefits from the CARES Act having already expired and lawmakers unable to agree on a new coronavirus relief package, President Trump on Friday doubled down on his intention to pursue executive orders to prop up the ailing American economy if lawmakers can’t reach a deal.

“If Democrats continue to hold this critical relief hostage, I will act under my authority as President to get Americans the relief they need,” Trump said during a press briefing.

Trump laid out a plan to use executive orders to extend enhanced unemployment benefits through the end of the year (though he declined to say at what level those benefits would be extended), defer student loan payments and forgive interest “until further notice” (a policy that will likely apply only to federal loans) and extend an eviction moratorium for certain renters.

Negotiations on Friday reached what could be a permanent impasse after a self-imposed deadline came and went without an agreement or any significant progress; White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said that they would recommend Trump move ahead with executive action after Friday’s unsuccessful meeting.

Read more: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/08/07/trump-promises-executive-orders-on-unemployment-student-loans-and-eviction-ban-after-stimulus-talks-fail/#763103b56526

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Trump Promises Executive Orders On Unemployment, Student Loans And Eviction Ban After Stimulus Talks (Original Post) Polybius Aug 2020 OP
he is such a fucking moron Skittles Aug 2020 #1
That's my question DownriverDem Aug 2020 #9
He cares not that he doesn't have authority to do this... SergeStorms Aug 2020 #2
Me too DownriverDem Aug 2020 #10
He could forgive all my student loans ($100K)... B Stieg Aug 2020 #3
Same. I'd love the relief... a la izquierda Aug 2020 #6
Oppo research website PirateRo Aug 2020 #4
Republicans railed & whined about Obama's EO's, but here? bucolic_frolic Aug 2020 #5
I knw, right! Nexus2 Aug 2020 #12
His negotiations were a red herring, he had no intention of reaching a deal groundloop Aug 2020 #7
He will claim he is helping the unemployed LiberalFighter Aug 2020 #18
Let's see the details; shitstain... EarthFirst Aug 2020 #8
Why does the media validate the Exec. Branch having authority to expend funds not appropriated? BumRushDaShow Aug 2020 #11
My thoughts exactly. paleotn Aug 2020 #16
Their reporters are too lazy BumRushDaShow Aug 2020 #17
Go after the writer. Be specific about the writer. LiberalFighter Aug 2020 #19
But in the excerpt from the article that I posted BumRushDaShow Aug 2020 #22
But only her name is attached. LiberalFighter Aug 2020 #24
They have editors BumRushDaShow Aug 2020 #25
Let him use his ow.... uh, Putin's money. Lock him up. Aug 2020 #21
Is this before or after he unveils his health care plan. It is his fault that we don't have an Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #13
Um, no, Donnie. It doesn't work that way. paleotn Aug 2020 #14
So...Donnie has Turtle and his other bootlickers RIG this up in the Senate Bengus81 Aug 2020 #15
Fucker likes signing his name nt benld74 Aug 2020 #20
That's not a signature... AZ8theist Aug 2020 #26
He doesn't have the "power of the purse," but if he goes ahead and signs such a thing the Vinca Aug 2020 #23
$400 UE extension but states have to pick up 25% of it durablend Aug 2020 #27
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Aug 2020 #28

Skittles

(153,310 posts)
1. he is such a fucking moron
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 02:50 AM
Aug 2020

he cannot lead, and thinks he can EO his way out of this crisis

DownriverDem

(6,236 posts)
9. That's my question
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 09:10 AM
Aug 2020

How can he even do this? Of course he will blame the Dems.

SergeStorms

(19,205 posts)
2. He cares not that he doesn't have authority to do this...
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:07 AM
Aug 2020

when you're a dictator you can do anything you like, and with Congressional republicans and Bill Barr agreeing with him at every turn, who's going to stop him?

It's going to take Joe Biden his entire first term to fix the government Trump has destroyed. What a fucking asshole. I hate him on a sub-atomic level.

DownriverDem

(6,236 posts)
10. Me too
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 09:12 AM
Aug 2020

How much more damage will he do by November and then the next two months after that?

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
3. He could forgive all my student loans ($100K)...
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:37 AM
Aug 2020

and I still wouldn't vote for the fuck. Ever.

a la izquierda

(11,803 posts)
6. Same. I'd love the relief...
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 07:04 AM
Aug 2020

But he can fuck right off of he thinks that buys my vote.

PirateRo

(933 posts)
4. Oppo research website
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 04:39 AM
Aug 2020

bucolic_frolic

(43,491 posts)
5. Republicans railed & whined about Obama's EO's, but here?
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 06:26 AM
Aug 2020

Deep State if it exists needs to remind this buffoon we still have something called the U.S. Constitution

Nexus2

(1,261 posts)
12. I knw, right!
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 09:29 AM
Aug 2020

That's one of the things that really chaps my ass. But I guess its consistent. They do believe EOs are the path of a tyrant. But they don't mind that it was just the wrong president walking that path.

groundloop

(11,534 posts)
7. His negotiations were a red herring, he had no intention of reaching a deal
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 08:56 AM
Aug 2020

He's going to attempt to claim that Democratic leadership refused to work with him etc. etc. and make it look like he's coming to the rescue.

And where the hell does he think he can spend federal money via executive order anyway? Of course if anyone tries to rein him in he'll claim they're trying to hurt Americans.

LiberalFighter

(51,350 posts)
18. He will claim he is helping the unemployed
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:18 PM
Aug 2020

but in reality the money will be unaccounted and go to people without the need.

EarthFirst

(2,906 posts)
8. Let's see the details; shitstain...
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 09:06 AM
Aug 2020

I’m not willing to blindly compromise on some EO version of the CARES Act that you deem appropriate.

BumRushDaShow

(129,996 posts)
11. Why does the media validate the Exec. Branch having authority to expend funds not appropriated?
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 09:22 AM
Aug 2020


U.S. Constitution

Article I


/snip

Section 9.

/snip

No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law; and a regular statement and account of receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time.

/snip

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei


And FFS Forbes - this bullshit that you wrote -

What we don’t know

It’s not clear what power the president has to order federal spending without explicit approval from Congress. When asked if he was concerned about the potential legality of the planned executive orders, Trump replied, “no, not at all. You always get sued.”


WTF Forbes? It IS fucking CLEAR.

Antideficiency Act

Overview

This act prohibits federal agencies from obligations or expending federal funds in advance or in excess of an appropriation, and from accepting voluntary services.

The Antideficiency Act prohibits federal employees from

making or authorizing an expenditure from, or creating or authorizing an obligation under, any appropriation or fund in excess of the amount available in the appropriation or fund unless authorized by law. 31 U.S.C. § 1341(a)(1)(A).
involving the government in any obligation to pay money before funds have been appropriated for that purpose, unless otherwise allowed by law. 31 U.S.C. § 1341(a)(1)(B).
accepting voluntary services for the United States, or employing personal services not authorized by law, except in cases of emergency involving the safety of human life or the protection of property. 31 U.S.C. § 1342.
making obligations or expenditures in excess of an apportionment or reapportionment, or in excess of the amount permitted by agency regulations. 31 U.S.C. § 1517(a).

Federal employees who violate the Antideficiency Act are subject to two types of sanctions: administrative and penal. Employees may be subject to appropriate administrative discipline including, when circumstances warrant, suspension from duty without pay or removal from office. In addition, employees may also be subject to fines, imprisonment, or both.

https://www.gao.gov/legal/appropriations-law-decisions/resources


Now if the deadline for expending the funds runs out, CONGRESS has to extend it and if the money runs out before a deadline, CONGRESS has to authorize more funds. And unless some heretofore obscure provision was written in that stimulus bill allowing for the Executive to do extensions, then they CAN'T (which is why all the drama going on with Congress at the moment to extend it and for how long and for what amount).

paleotn

(18,014 posts)
16. My thoughts exactly.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:03 PM
Aug 2020

Why do they continue to give any credence to the ravings of an obvious lunatic? A full 90% of what he blabbers on about can't be done. It just doesn't work that way. Civics, people. Basic, fucking US civics. Argh!

BumRushDaShow

(129,996 posts)
17. Their reporters are too lazy
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:16 PM
Aug 2020

to even use "the google". But they are quick on consulting Instagram and Twitter and Facebook.

LiberalFighter

(51,350 posts)
19. Go after the writer. Be specific about the writer.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:19 PM
Aug 2020

Sarah Hansen is not competent to provide valid reporting about this event.

BumRushDaShow

(129,996 posts)
22. But in the excerpt from the article that I posted
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:31 PM
Aug 2020

she said "We".

What we don’t know

It’s not clear what power the president has to order federal spending without explicit approval from Congress. When asked if he was concerned about the potential legality of the planned executive orders, Trump replied, “no, not at all. You always get sued.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/08/07/trump-promises-executive-orders-on-unemployment-student-loans-and-eviction-ban-after-stimulus-talks-fail/#763103b56526


As long as she says "what we don't know" instead of "what I don't know", then she is speaking for Forbes and makes them look like a bunch of idiots.

LiberalFighter

(51,350 posts)
24. But only her name is attached.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:45 PM
Aug 2020

It is more personal to go after a person than it is for a group.

BumRushDaShow

(129,996 posts)
25. They have editors
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:56 PM
Aug 2020

and Forbes is supposedly a "trusted" source for business news and what their "staff" writes reflects on the organization. She is not an "opinion columnist". She is listed as reporting on "breaking news". This type of enabling crap is what has helped to get us to this catastrophic point in history.

She is in that same age group that won't look up from their phones come hell or high water, even if a big hole appeared in the sidewalk in front of them and they fall in.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-m-hansen

(I apologize for the crotchety attitude but this is just ridiculous and enough is enough)

Lock him up.

(6,955 posts)
21. Let him use his ow.... uh, Putin's money.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:27 PM
Aug 2020


RICO THE TRUMP$ AND THEIr ACCOMPLICE$

Demsrule86

(68,800 posts)
13. Is this before or after he unveils his health care plan. It is his fault that we don't have an
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 10:06 AM
Aug 2020

extension...he is not fooling anyone.

paleotn

(18,014 posts)
14. Um, no, Donnie. It doesn't work that way.
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 11:53 AM
Aug 2020

The stupid in these people just gets stronger and stronger.

Bengus81

(6,938 posts)
15. So...Donnie has Turtle and his other bootlickers RIG this up in the Senate
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 11:56 AM
Aug 2020

to not pass so Trump can look like a real leader by going over everyone's head?? Why...who'd a thunk it??

benld74

(9,911 posts)
20. Fucker likes signing his name nt
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:26 PM
Aug 2020

AZ8theist

(5,531 posts)
26. That's not a signature...
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 01:22 PM
Aug 2020

It's the scribbling of an imbecile with a 4th grade level of reading and writing....

Vinca

(50,329 posts)
23. He doesn't have the "power of the purse," but if he goes ahead and signs such a thing the
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 12:45 PM
Aug 2020

Democrats should remain silent and let someone like Rand Paul challenge him in court. If Democrats bring a court challenge it's ammo for the fool and his circus/campaign.

durablend

(7,467 posts)
27. $400 UE extension but states have to pick up 25% of it
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 05:10 PM
Aug 2020

Let's see how well that's going to work. Seems like he's trying to finish off the unemployment system too.

Omaha Steve

(99,852 posts)
28. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Sat Aug 8, 2020, 06:05 PM
Aug 2020

Dupe. See the earlier post here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142552419

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