UAW president, Sanders divided over convention event

[George II]

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) - The largest U.S. auto union and onetime Democratic presidential candidate Senator Bernie Sanders clashed Monday ahead of what is billed as this month’s planned celebration of party unity to defeat President Donald Trump in the November elections.

United Auto Workers (UAW) President Rory Gamble and Sanders sparred on Monday in a phone call over the senator’s plan to have a former autoworker union leader nominate him for president at the Democratic National Convention (DNC), people briefed on the matter told Reuters.

Democrats for months have been carefully crafting a made-for-television pageant to make their case in front of millions on national television for former Vice President Joe Biden to be elected.

Biden, a relative centrist in his party, is attempting to project a unified front after a divisive year-long primary that pitted liberals like Sanders against moderates. Big labor unions - including the 400,000-member UAW - are essential to Democrats, offering organizing support on which the party has come to depend in elections, but many rank-and-file members also support Trump.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-sanders-uaw/uaw-president-sanders-divided-over-convention-event-idUSKCN25700H?il=0

[msongs]

1. bernie wants to place himself in nomination when he's already lost? nt

[George II]

3. It looks that way. BTW, the almost final delegate count (we vote in CT tomorrow in the LAST....

....of 57 primaries)

Biden 2654 (68%)
Sanders 1091 (28%)
Warren 53 (1.4%)
Bloomberg 43 (1.2%)
Buttigieg 15
Klobuchar 5
Gabbard 2
Uncommitted 2 (KY)

Connecticut has 60 delegates up for grabs tomorrow.

[democrattotheend]

113. That's been standard at Democratic conventions since 2008

I think in the old days, before conventions became fully scripted and staged, all candidates were placed into nomination. Then for a while they stopped doing that if the winner was decided before the convention, until 2008, when Hillary's campaign insisted that her name be placed into nomination and they do at least some of the roll call for history's sake. Bernie then continued that tradition in 2016, and I guess he's doing the same this year. What about the other candidates? Will they be placed into nomination and part of the roll call too? I hope so. I like watching the roll call and would prefer that it reflect the primary results rather than being a pure coronation.

[flying_wahini]

2. That's a pretty nasty thing to do coming from Bernie.

Is his ego so frail he can’t let go of it? Why would he try to spoil it?

[Budi]

10. Waiting for Ron Johnson's October surprise.

My guess according to twitter bro chatter.
They are hoping for Joe being "convicted of treason".


As with 2016, & Hillary's Email hearing that was sure to tank her candidacy. He became a Dem, joined the race & quietly sat back (until she was cleared rather than convicted), then began his social media onslaught against her .

We all saw what took place. & there's no denying it anymore.

This stunt to get some powerful, influential block to nominate him is hedging the bet that Ron Johnson has enough dirt on Biden to end his campaign.

And then in steps Bernie.

That's a pretty shitty way to do it. Twice.

----------------

According to Nina & the bros, THIS is how the revolution will evolve.

Sick af.

[rockfordfile]

60. lol that's stupid

[ehrnst]

106. "External event"

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2997841-End-Game-2016.html

[Budi]

108. There it is. Some "external event"...JFC.

Well they also knew that Russia was involved in keeping HRC from becoming President & said nothing.

This reads like the Tea Party coup on the Republican Party from Palin's campaign.

Thanks for your eye-opening post, ehrnst

[democrattotheend]

119. He's not trying to spoil anything

He's being placed into nomination for the roll call like he did in 2016, and like Hillary did in 2008. The article linked in the OP said other candidates will also be placed into nomination and have votes cast for them this year. It seems the disagreement is not about Bernie being placed into nomination but about who he chose to nominate him and where that person announces him from.

[JI7]

4. Why doesn't he do something about the prisoners from Vermont that were sent out of state

and ended up with Covid ?

[Budi]

5. Hey Bernie, Why?

⚄Joe Biden

⚃Bernie Sanders

⚂Pete Buttigieg

[George II]

7. Actually Iowa's delegates have been realigned and the final count is Biden 16, Sanders 12....

....Warren 5, Buttigieg 7, and Klobuchar 1.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-primary-elections/delegate-count

[still_one]

9. and if Bloomberg wasn't in California, Biden would have won California

[Budi]

13. Yup. We could add a big BLUE state to Biden's stunning sweep.

💙👍

[Budi]

12. Yes, George ll , that's right. I've forgotten about the realigned data.

Thanks

[democrattotheend]

118. Why were they realigned? Is this due to the second and third-level caucuses?

Did the delegates elected for Buttigieg and others on caucus night cast their votes for Biden at the county and state caucuses? I thought Biden wasn't even viable statewide on caucus night.

[msongs]

6. gonna wait for bernie to confirm such a disgusting thing first nt

[still_one]

8. He endorsed Biden, and conceded? He want his nomination announced in the union hall that endorsed

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Biden

The question is that a unifying action or a divisive one?

Should someone who didn't support a candidate nominate him as a unifying example, or should someone who did support him do the nomination?

[brush]

44. Sanders' ego just can't let it go. If this is true, how pathetic.

[still_one]

46. maybe brush, but I will wait and see if the Convention can unify us

[democrattotheend]

114. Runners up have been nominated at the convention and part of the roll call since at least 2008

Hillary's people started that tradition (or rather, returned to an older tradition) in 2008. IMO it makes the roll call more interesting to watch.

[sheshe2]

11. Is this for real?

United Auto Workers (UAW) President Rory Gamble and Sanders sparred on Monday in a phone call over the senator’s plan to have a former autoworker union leader nominate him for president at the Democratic National Convention (DNC),

[betsuni]

58. Seems he could've planned for another union leader to endorse, but maybe UAW is the establishment.

An establishment endorsement is important.

[JoeOtterbein]

14. More Anti Bernie trash.

Why?

[Budi]

16. Anti-bernie trash? Truth is now trash?

Guess we should have checked with Politico first....

😬

[JoeOtterbein]

17. I do not see anything Bernie did that was wrong in the report, because...

...I read the entire article.

[Budi]

19. I'm sure you don't see anything wrong.

Nina Turner doesn't eitherr.

Nite....

[JoeOtterbein]

20. Good nite?

Please let me know what Bernie did that was wrong here?

[Budi]

29. No. Just "nite".

I've said my piece.
I'm sure Politico is writing up a fine rebuttal to Reuters.

Yuk. This whole 2016 playbook maneuver feels like snakes slithering in a dank swamp.

Check with Politico cuz you won't find any love for this stunt from me.

Just telling you the honest the truth.
I'm outta this discussion.

I'd prefer you not reply.

[still_one]

24. Pushing that he be nominated by the Union that endorsed Biden can be viewed in different ways

In one way it can be viewed to demonstrate a unifying attempt from a union that endorsed Biden,

However, it can also be viewed as coercing a union that supported another candidate

I guess it comes down to this, is it better for a candidate to be nominated by one of his supporters or someone who didn't support him?

I will leave that for others to debate

[George II]

80. He seems to be wanting to make it appear that the UAW is backing him, which clearly they are not.

[NurseJackie]

97. The UAW has already endorsed Joe Biden, NOT Bernie Sanders.

I do not see anything Bernie did that was wrong in the report, because...
...I read the entire article.

The UAW has already endorsed Joe Biden, NOT Bernie Sanders.

"UAW spokesman Brian Rothenberg acknowledged Gamble raised concerns about a UAW hall being used to nominate Sanders. “The UAW endorsed Joe Biden and it is disrespectful and confusing to use a UAW facility to nominate an unendorsed candidate,” said Rothenberg.

For Gamble to place Bernie's name into nomination would make it appear that the UAW endorsement of Joe Biden was "tepid" or half-hearted. It would create an ambiguity that benefits NOBODY. Are political egos really worth taking that kind of risk?

Fact of the matter is that anyone could nominate BS. Why not Jane? She likes him. He likes her. It would be sweet, wouldn't it?

Think about it this way... would it be appropriate for the ex-fiancee to demand that the groom's best-man give a toast HER instead of to the bride? Would there be any questions or controversy when the best-man refuses to do such a tacky and tasteless thing?

I hope that helps to make things clear to anyone who's still confused or concerned.

[ehrnst]

109. See the following responses:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2558332

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142558091#post97

I hope that clarifies things for you.

[sheshe2]

28. The UAW is trash now?

Sanders, a Vermont independent who won nearly 1,100 delegates in the Democratic presidential race compared to nearly 2,700 for Biden, had planned to have former UAW President Bob King introduce him for president from a union hall, the people said.

Am I misreading something here? Bernie lost his bid and endorsed Joe and now wants the UAW to introduce him for president? WTF?

Yes. I read the article.

[JoeOtterbein]

31. No it is not even news. Just another attempt to divide us for...

...no good reason.

[sheshe2]

41. The UAW is dividing us?

I don't see how they are doing that. They are supporting our Democratic nominee. That is Joe. Am I correct or misunderstanding that Bernie is now asking them to support him instead. That was the point of my question to you. Is that what Bernie is asking?

[JoeOtterbein]

45. What about the UAW member who wants to nominate Bernie?

My question to this entire forum is; what is wrong with what Bernie did, that is mentioned in this article? Anything?

[sheshe2]

56. Everything.

Sorry you don't get that.

Done here.

[WhiteTara]

59. BS is again trying to divide the Party

He is not now, nor has he ever been a Democrat and just as he didn't discourage Russia from supporting him, he now wants to be nominated?

So yes, what Bernie did was wrong. We have our candidate and it isn't BS.

[betsuni]

64. "Big labor unions ... are essential to Democrats, offering organizing support on which the party

has come to depend in elections, but many rank-and-file members also support Trump."

[George II]

75. He can do it if he wants. But he and Sanders want it to appear as if the UAW is "nominating" him...

...by having him speak from a UAW hall, probably with UAW banners and signs in the background.

As pointed out elsewhere here, there shouldn't even be any formal nominations of anyone but Biden.

What's the point?

[Hekate]

65. Yeah, if this is true, Bernie certainly is doing that. A real PUMA moment.

Perhaps we’ll hear some exculpatory statements tomorrow.

[George II]

70. Who is attempting to divide us?

[ehrnst]

107. Yes, someone is trying to divide Dems. But not George II Did you read the article? (nt)

[George II]

69. How is this "anti Bernie trash"?

[Skittles]

15. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[JoeOtterbein]

18. So? Where's the...

...beef on Bernie?

[betsuni]

21. "Not me. Us."

[JoeOtterbein]

22. Beef?

Please?

[LudwigPastorius]

25. I believe the concern ("beef"...whatever...) is that...

the UAW has endorsed Joe Biden for president, and that having a former UAW official nominating Sanders at the convention from a union hall makes it look like that is not the case.

[still_one]

26. To play devil's advocate, is it to be viewed as a unifying action, or a misleading one?

[LudwigPastorius]

36. I don't see it a particularly unifying.

Your mileage may vary.

[still_one]

38. Unifying that you have a representative from a group who didn't support Sanders' in the primary

nominating him as a gesture of unity

Of course the opposite view can be taken also, that it is a coercive action to mislead people to think that the UAW supported him

I am just trying to look at it from different perspectives, and I'll admit I am bias, and do not think the best approach

[Demsrule86]

61. Most former candidates don't throw their name into nomination. Hillary didn't in 2008...

Much closer than this year...should be unanimous consent... but thankfully this will be Sanders last time for this sort of thing.

[still_one]

66. I thought it was formality. Thank you for pointing that out. That puts things in an entirely

different light

[George II]

81. It's not the formality that people are concerned with, it's the fact that Sanders wants it to seem..

...that the UAW is backing him, which they most certainly are not.

[still_one]

85. That point I understood George, and I don't understand the psychology of wanting a group who

didn't support him to enter his name into nomination.

I initially suggested maybe it was to demonstrate that a group who didn't support you, would enter your name in nomination as a sign of unity, but after reconsidering, that is definitely over-thinking it. People wouldn't even make that connection, so it leaves that it is just a publicity stunt to gain attention I think, which is disappointing

[betsuni]

88. UAW is an establishment endorsement, status quo. Very attractive!

[still_one]

89. That is very true

[betsuni]

92. I think it's sort of centrist/moderate (maybe even neoliberal?) also too.

[still_one]

93. A lot of that demographic made up what was referred to as the "reagan" Democrats, so I think

your speculation has a lot of validity

[betsuni]

67. I don't remember this being a thing before. Does anyone know?

The article says it is, but I only remember former nominees giving speeches, not accepting nominations.

[George II]

74. If Biden doesn't win in November this could be the last time for ALL of us for this sort of thing.

[still_one]

90. You are right George. I think our Democracy as we know it will be gone

[NurseJackie]

98. Preach!

[George II]

73. According to the UAW spokesperson, it's "confusing":

“The UAW endorsed Joe Biden and it is disrespectful and confusing to use a UAW facility to nominate an unendorsed candidate,”

[still_one]

91. It doesn't make sense except to seek attention

[NurseJackie]

100. That makes the most sense.

[still_one]

101. I guess so Jackie

[NurseJackie]

103. Maybe Jane is keeping a digital video scrapbook for the grandkids?

Who knows? All I do know is that it does absolutely nothing to promote unity. At this late date (and with the stakes so high) I don't understand how it is that anyone wouldn't want to do EVERYTHING HUMANLY POSSIBLE to create and promote unity... even if it means swallowing one's own pride and "faking it" for just a little while.

That's not too much to ask, is it?

[JoeOtterbein]

27. Oh. Wow...

... Seriously?

Obviously no beef. Just anti-Bernie divisive trash.

[LudwigPastorius]

30. Yes, seriously.

“The UAW endorsed Joe Biden and it is disrespectful and confusing to use a UAW facility to nominate an unendorsed candidate"

That's Rory Gamble's quote straight from the article, Joe.

[JoeOtterbein]

32. Ohhhh noooo!!!!!

Please tell me what TH is WRONG!

[LudwigPastorius]

33. ?

[JoeOtterbein]

35. Many of us voted for Bernie for POTUS. Some of us twice. Please stop the...

...Bernie hate!

NOW!

[LudwigPastorius]

37. Calm down, man.

You seem to be under the impression that I hate Bernie Sanders, and are shouting about it.

[JoeOtterbein]

40. No problem here, I like to...

...yell once in a while.

It's good for the lungs!

[George II]

77. The UAW person already said what is wrong. I think he knows the UAW better than any of us.

[brush]

47. So tell us why Sanders wants this done.

[JoeOtterbein]

49. You report a beef please...

...and I'll let ya know!

[brush]

53. Does he want his name put into nomination, and if so, why?

[JoeOtterbein]

54. Why not?

It's a tradition. See rules.

So where is the beef? (I'm gettin hungry now!)

[brush]

55. Didn't he concede months ago?

[sheshe2]

57. He endorsed Biden.

He lost by a huge margin.

True or false?

[George II]

79. It's not a "tradition". It has happened but not at every convention, and I don't recall....

....it happening when the eventual nominee had almost 2-1/2 times the delegates of the person in second place.

It's not the nomination that the big "beef" as you put it - it's the manner in which some want it to take place. What's the point?

[TexasTowelie]

102. Candidates are nominated by the people that supported them in the primarites.

The UAW did not support Bernie in the primaries so he shouldn't that support now.

[betsuni]

78. UAW president has the beef.

It's in the article.

[JoeOtterbein]

23. The primary is long over. Can we stop the...

...Bernie hate now?

[still_one]

34. I don't think "hate" is the correct characterization, but you have a point about this is

pretty much a non-issue

I can hardly wait until the VP selection is made. I won't be surprised if their is squabbling over that, though I hope not

[JoeOtterbein]

39. I'm worried we are still trying to fight the primary.

When we need to keep our eyes, ears and written fears on Trump. Not Bernie.

[msongs]

42. as if a loser putting his name up for nomination is not related to fighting the primary lol

[still_one]

43. You're right. I think and hope the Convention and its leaders, including

both Sanders and Biden, will bring us all together against probably the greatest threat to our country I have experienced, and I have been voting since George McGovern ran for President

[JoeOtterbein]

48. It seems like yesterday I voted for Mondale. Ah, the...

...good ole days!

[still_one]

51. Compared to now, yes

[NurseJackie]

87. Horse hockey! Tell us, please...

When we need to keep our eyes, ears and written fears on Trump.

Horse hockey! Tell us, please... What good purpose does it serve to try and "split" the UAW vote? (This question is especially important since many UAW members support Trump.)

It's perfectly reasonable to ask why anyone would want to do anything that makes the UAW leadership appear to be divided or ambiguous in their support of Biden (or in their desire to defeat Trump?)

Before answering, consider this when making your response: Why is this so important to BS? Who benefits the most? Does it benefit the party? Does it help to unify the effort to defeat Trump and the GOP?

[George II]

94. "WE" aren't still trying to fight the primary.

[Demsrule86]

63. I will never like Sanders personally. And putting his name in nomination reinforces my feelings.

I will merely fast forward that part...won't watch it. Thank God the primary was decisive and is now behind us.

[George II]

82. How it is "Bernie hate"? You've said that several times here but not explained....

...how it's "Bernie hate".

BTW, the primaries end TODAY.

[NurseJackie]

86. Nobody is doing that.

Can we stop the...
...Bernie hate now?

Nobody is doing that.

[Fiendish Thingy]

50. Oh FFS, nominating Sanders is a procedural formality

Although Biden’s delegate numbers mean his nomination is a formality, other primary candidates are still expected to be introduced to the audience as nominees as part of the pageantry of the week-long event.

So ALL of the 2020 candidates (or at least those with delegates) will have someone Placing their name in nomination; Sanders, with the second most delegates, will have it done Live, in prime time during the broadcast. The delegates, who are pledged to a specific candidate on the first ballot, can’t vote for a candidate whose name hasn’t been placed into nomination, and then a candidate can’t show unity (the theme of the convention) by “throwing” their delegates’ support to Biden...

So this Nomination announcement at the convention isn’t just a Sanders “thing” (the conflict with the symbolic introduction by the UAW leader is), it’s a procedural technicality for all candidates, no matter how badly some folks want to make it all about Sanders.

[JoeOtterbein]

52. Thank you.

That is my entire point. The OP is not even news.

[ehrnst]

112. And yet you keep kicking it.

Just sayin...

[Demsrule86]

62. No it is not. He should throw his support behind Biden and not put his name in nomination....

unanimous consent.

[democrattotheend]

117. Not sure if that's an option under the new rules

Since pledged delegates are bound on the first ballot. Even if that's an option, I hope he doesn't do it. Unanimous consent hasn't been done since 2004 and I hope it never comes back. A proper roll call is way more exciting to watch. I was annoyed in 2008 when it seemed like they were doing it properly, with Illinois passing and then New Mexico yielding back to Illinois, presumably to avoid putting Obama over the top so Illinois could have that honor, as it's supposed to be. But then Illinois kicked it over to New York and Hillary moved to suspend the roll call, which I know the Obama people wanted but it was kind of disappointing. I would have preferred to watch the whole roll call, with Illinois putting Obama over the top as it's supposed to be.

[NurseJackie]

72. Why Rory Gamble? Why not Jane? Or Moore? Or Turner?

What good purpose does it serve to try and "split" the UAW vote... especially when many UAW members support Trump? Why do anything that makes the UAW leadership appear to be divided or ambiguous in their support of Biden (or in their desire to defeat Trump?)

All I want to know is this: why is this so important to BS? Does it benefit the party? Does it help to unify the effort to defeat Trump and the GOP?

[betsuni]

76. Yes, why not someone else not formerly connected with the establishment UAW?

There are so many other non-status quo people to endorse him!

[democrattotheend]

116. Thanks. This is what I thought.

It used to be that the losing candidates released all their delegates, but Hillary changed that in 2008. And now with the new rules, I think all the delegates have to vote as pledged on the first ballot. I don't know if candidates can release their delegates under the new rules - does anyone know?

[NurseJackie]

71. Another opportunity for unity and unanimity is being squandered.

It's a shame, but it's really not totally unexpected.

[mcar]

83. WTF is Bernie up to?

He wants someone to nominate him at the convention? For what purpose?

[NurseJackie]

84. I know, right? And even if someone wants to forego unanimity and unity, why do it in a way...

I know, right? And even if someone wants to forego unanimity and unity, why do it in a way that makes the UAW's support appear to be fractured, or divided, or ambiguous?

What good purpose does that serve? How does this benefit the Democratic party? How does it help to defeat Trump and the GOP? Even though the answers are self-evident, these are ALL fair questions that need to be asked.

(I'm glad to see that UAW President, Rory Gamble, wasn't willing to go along with it.)

[MineralMan]

95. Senator Sanders wants to be nominated at the Convention?

To what end? If he is truly committed to unity, he should second the nomination of Joe Biden and simultaneously not accept a nomination at the convention at all.

[NurseJackie]

99. I agree! That's what someone committed to unity would do.

[democrattotheend]

115. Wasn't he put up for nomination in 2016 also?

I think that started in 2008 when Hillary broke with tradition and asked to be placed into nomination even though she had already endorsed Obama at that point. Then she came out halfway through and proposed that Obama be nominated by acclimation. I think Bernie did something similar in 2016, except he did it at the end of the roll call.

[left-of-center2012]

96. NEWS FLASH TO BERNIE

You lost.
Support Biden.

[Budi]

110. News Flash #2..Joe Biden will be our Presidential candidate.

Bernie will still be a Senator.

[Bayard]

104. Do NOT do this, Bernie!

What the hell's wrong with you? You lost--bigley. And you've already endorsed Biden.

This makes no damn sense, except to give rethuglicans a talking point about Dem division.

[ehrnst]

105. The UAW endorsed Biden. Why would Bernie a former UAW leader to "nominate" him?

[Cha]

111. The theme will be "Uniting America." So why is BS going against that

by requesting to be Nominated for potus when he lost & actually Endorsed Joe Biden?

Speculation over Biden's VP pick grows after list of DNC speakers released

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142558403

From your link..

UAW spokesman Brian Rothenberg acknowledged Gamble raised concerns about a UAW hall being used to nominate Sanders. “The UAW endorsed Joe Biden and it is disrespectful and confusing to use a UAW facility to nominate an unendorsed candidate,” said Rothenberg.

Rothenberg added of Gamble’s call with Sanders “there was an elevated exchange but not disrespectful. And we ended the call in mutual disagreements.” Gamble has requested to talk with Biden, Rothenberg added.

Oh and read Joe Biden's Platform and tell me what is so "centrist" about it.