New Zealand coronavirus: Four cases confirmed in one household

[LovingA2andMI]

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Source: news.au.com

New Zealand is no longer virus free, with four cases confirmed from one household in Auckland.

The cases have no known source and authorities are working to figure out where the family contracted coronavirus.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced Auckland would return to stage three restrictions for three days starting from midday tomorrow.

The rest of the country will return to stage two for thee days until midnight Friday.

"I know this information will be difficult to receive," she said.

"We had all hoped not to find ourselves in this position again but we had also prepared for it."

Ms Ardern said people in Auckland would have to wear a mask when accessing essential services, while people in the rest of the country would have to don face coverings when social distancing was not possible.

Read more: https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/new-zealand-coronavirus-four-cases-confirmed-in-one-household/news-story/cb201f2e0cefbe75908ebda10f7507bf

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At this point, I have a strong belief we don't know nearly anything about COVID-19. Now it is suspected that the cases in NZ were asymptomatic. Meaning, this family of four had no idea they had COVID-19 and were going about their daily lives possibly spreading COVID-19. Remember, there was no confirmed case of COVID-19 in NZ for the last 90 Days. There is no international travel in or out of the Islands.

So, did the Virus remain dormant and pop back up in the bodies of one member of the unsuspecting family, who quickly spread it to the other three members? Was COVID-19 ever gone? Did the Virus "Get Smart" and play dormant only to re-unleash itself at a later point? If the latter is true, we have a HUGE PROBLEM in the US -- as a full scale lockdown will never work again (as some will refuse to comply) -- and mask wearing will never be 100% in every state in a country of 361 Million People.

NZ has give or take 5 Million Kiwis. Their first venture at lockdown mitigation was successful, then 90 days allegedly "virus free" and next 4 cases in one family without any international travel on a two island nation.

NOT A DOCTOR or Scientist however, it is my firm belief that COVID-19 is a Airborne Virus. Which would explain the NZ situation if there is more Community Spread after a 90 Day allegedly virus free mitigation period. NZ is remote and air travels around the earth surface. [link:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/world/australia/coronavirus-melbourne-lockdown.htmlEqually, there has been quite an COVID-19 outbreak in Melbourne, Australia as of late].(NZ and Australia is about 400 miles apart over the Pacific Ocean).

This means in just COVID-19 is here to stay for quite awhile. The talk about a vaccine is nice HOWEVER, the Antibody Test is less hit or more miss at best. What will be the outlook when the vaccine is deployed on a wide scale outside of the Case Study Group? Also, how many will refuse in the US to take the vaccine period, hereby using the NZ example at this point -- allow by their refusal for COVID-19 to "lay dormant" until it reappears AGAIN.

It might be time to develop real strategies to live with COVID-19 for a long-time to come because sooner than later - a larger number of people are going to be over wearing a mask when they go out. Some might not like this eventual reality said out loud, but it needs to be said.

[3Hotdogs]

1. Fuck. I hope this doesn't interfere with college football.

There was a wanker on Sirius radio a few minutes ago.

"Pussies need to suck it up." He was a Marine. Thousands of people arrived at Paris Island. Some got sick. Then a few other got sick. Then they got better and became Marines.

He forgot to mention that C-19 wasn't around when he was on Paris.

[ananda]

2. The word is DORMANT..

not "dominant"

[LovingA2andMI]

8. Yep...

That is a misspelling. Okay, got it.

Now back to the point of this post. How did COVID-19 re-enter New Zealand with no International Travel in or out of the Island Nation outside of approval of the Kiwi Government with a STRICT 14 Day quarantine?

Do you have ideas on this matter, as that was the real point of this post?

[Roc2020]

3. ??? isn't this post repetitive???

[LovingA2andMI]

6. Have you seen this post before??

As the New Zealand News Conference happened 2 hours ago?

[demmiblue]

12. Yes:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142558264

[Laelth]

4. It's depressing to consider, but I tend to agree.

SARS-CoV-2 isn’t going away—not any time soon, at least. How to adjust to this new dynamic is the challenge we face. I have no answer.

-Laelth

[LovingA2andMI]

5. And that is concerning...

We have no real answers.

[Laelth]

7. No, indeed. We're shooting in the dark. n/t

-Laelth

[ArizonaLib]

9. The Kiwis at the expense of these 4, will learn a lot about covid-19

They will put whatever resources are necessary, starting with intense tracing, and will figure out how the virus returned to the north island. Auckland has a highly trafficked international airport, New Zealand relies heavily on imports/exports (their population is comparable to the size of the county, Maricopa, which I live in), they are mostly isolated, except for their Australian neighbors wherein they have reasonable control over everything and everyone coming and going throughout the country.

I have been listening to a couple of New Zealand radio talk stations since the spring, as our family traveled to New Zealand last summer and enjoyed it immensely. Their shut down was short, and so they have been dealing with issues in their attempts to normalize after the brief shut down. The shut down had been conducted in a complete, disciplined, well led manner. The Prime Minister's program against the virus included referring to the population as a 'team of 5 million' in her addresses. I remember months ago New Zealand Air came up with a multiyear plan to recover, including personnel requirements, negotiations with pilots and buyout offers; the air traffic controllers union (yes, union) also underwent negotiations. Because new trade realities at least in the near term were affected, entire industries from the national level were reexamined, particularly the beef industry, because beef is such an impacting export was restructured. They take their unemployment seriously, so the prime minister herself toured cities and townships meeting with locals where as few as 1000 layoffs had been experienced. These are all problems we here in the U.S. won't begin to deal with for at least a year.

Remote islands around the world which are supplied only with mail drops have experienced Covid-19 cases and I believe that the only way to completely quarantine is for each household, office, public area to have access to detection devices, similar the radiation detection devices available to civilians and NBC detection devices the military deployed during Desert Shield/Desert Storm.

[LovingA2andMI]

10. Good Point on this....

Remote islands around the world which are supplied only with mail drops have experienced Covid-19 cases and I believe that the only way to completely quarantine is for each household, office, public area to have access to detection devices, similar the radiation detection devices available to civilians and NBC detection devices the military deployed during Desert Shield/Desert Storm.

Agree, this may be the only way to really detect the presence of COVID-19 on a Community Scale as well in individual households. This is a tricky virus that will be with us for a long-time and life as we knew it - will NOT be the SAME for years or sadly, even decades ahead.

[Nitram]

11. I suspect the virus could flare up at any time in New Zealand, just as it has spread in small rural

communities in our country. All it would take is one or two asymptomatic travelers retuning home with the virus.

[BannonsLiver]

13. I think it's likely that the virus was never actually ever eradicated there

I know that’s not the doomy point of view that people seem to be so in to these days but perhaps it’s the most likely explanation.

[StevieM]

14. I wonder if the virus had been kept alive in their freezer.

Maybe they didn't disinfect something properly, or at all, and it survived in their freezer for an extended period.

[JudyM]

15. Locking

Dupe of https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142558264

Please continue discussion in that thread. Thanks.