Voters in North Carolina have received absentee ballot request forms in the mail with Trump's face
Source: CNN
Given the crisis facing the United States Postal Service before a presidential election, the last thing John Herter expected to receive in the mail Saturday was an absentee ballot request form with President Donald Trump's face on it.
"Is this a joke?" Herter said his wife told him as she opened up the mailer to reveal a photo of Trump grinning underneath the words, "Are you going to let the Democrats silence you? Act now to stand with President Trump."
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While it is common for candidates and political parties to send mail to voters, especially those who don't have access to TV or the internet, Real Facts NC, a non-profit dedicated to researching and telling the stories about issues facing North Carolinians, has never seen a mailer like this before, messaging director Jazmynne Williams told CNN.
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/postal-service-trump-absentee-ballot-request-mail-usps/index.html
ananda
(28,856 posts)It smells to high heaven!
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)NC Voters: please call your local official office & ask ARE THESE REAL?
Maybe people fill them out & return to trumpfukistan! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Lasher
(27,556 posts)This reminds me of the Coronachecks that people received with Trump's name on them. The president cannot sign checks like that, to reduce politicization of government payments. But Trump had his name put on there anyway, with someone else signing the checks.
Farmgirl1961
(1,493 posts)Campaigns do this
The application doesn't have his face on it. The mailer that came with the application has a political ad with Trump on it.
It was sent my the North Carolina Republican Party.
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)I'd tell anyone receiving that to request a mail-in ballot directly from whatever entity in that state runs the elections, not either one of the political parties.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,007 posts)Rebl2
(13,485 posts)to local newspaper and let them know fake mail in ballots are being mailed to people. I would also call local election board and tv stations.
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)who are over 65, or have previously requested ballots due to being disabled. We have been doing this since 2012 and the VBM numbers have increased significantly in those target groups. The whole point was to make it easier for those qualified to request their ballots.
I received one the other day, because I had not returned the request this year.
The ballot applications are marked as official election mail, very clearly marked with a sender address of the Texas Democratic Party and it is obvious that is a ballot request form.
We are an open registration state so we have to track Democrats using voting history in primaries; a certain number of these go out to chronic non voters in blue areas, hoping to catch a few more. They may be going to Rs but if they are chronic non voters anyway it's kind of a moot issue
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)I'm a precinct chair and am also a "deputy chair"...(responsible for training and communication with precinct chairs in one county commissioner precinct - currently 91 chairs) So good to know that you received yours. Now we can start our VBM application chase.
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)I have been sideswiped by the Census, since I am working for them right now.
Our county party has been doing a bang up job of organizing phone banks of all sorts.
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)I do not always return it because I am one of those vote in person on ELection Day traditionalists (paper ballots and all) When I started working elections I had to either early vote or vote by mail because I am never sent to my home precinct. However we NOW have Voting Centers so I can vote wherever they send me on Election Day. Plus our new equipment has a 100% paper trail even for early voting.
I saved ours when we got them in January in case we needed them. My husband sent his in because he is high risk if he gets COVID; I sent mine in a couple of weeks ago because he has asked me to forgo ELection Judge work this year.
Meanwhile, a new app came to me because VAN had not caught up with me.
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)You are better off going and getting a ballot from your local elections board than using that. It is probably phony.
These are just some of the kinds of tactics the NC Republican Party uses. They are some of the most corrupt and some of the worst bullies ever.
In 2018, they literally went to people's houses and stole people's unsealed absentee ballots from them, claiming they were officials and would turn them in to be counted. They did not. They just stole them. There was a lot in local news about it, but not much nationwide.
That is why I harp on it so much. I want more people aware that when Trump talks about ballot tampering and ballot stealing and mail in ballots, he knows, because his precious NCGOP has already perfected doing it and gotten away with it. Mark Harris, a preacher from Charlotte, was the one they stole those ballots for.
What did the state of NC do when they caught them?
They let them have a whole new election with a slate of all new candidates. A do over. A reward after cheating.
Just like when the NC Republican Party gerrymandered my district "with surgical precision" to disenfranchise African American voters, they redrew my district barely changing anything. I will still NEVER have a Democratic representative again in my lifetime, probably, after that. They are being allowed to do whatever they want and getting away with it.
DeJoy? The yes man Trump picked to go mess up the USPS to try to mess up this election? He's another in a long line of NC Republicans Trump has picked to help him in his corruption. The NC Republican Party has its hands in every single corrupt thing you have seen with Trump too. Trump's ties to the NC Republican Party and the NC Republican Party's corruption needs to be investigated by someone, anyone, at this point. We are going to end up with a theocratic, corrupt, bullying dictatorship in this country if they are not stopped.
This is why I have so much rage against the Republicans, instead of the jovial, sports team like friendly banter everyone seems to want us to have. Fuck that and fuck them. I despise them back for the bullying and crimes and overbearing deranged bullshit they do and get away with, over and over and over again.
I hope no one is stupid enough to fall for that and instead gets a real ballot. That cannot be legal and it cannot be a real ballot. I wouldn't trust anything about that.
bluestarone
(16,900 posts)We need to find out if they got special postage rates??
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)Rates are rates and set by the USPS and applied nationally. Bulk mail qualifications are the same everywhere just like the cost of a stamp.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)game, fucking, over.
Civil war is the only resolution to this.
LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,378 posts)NT
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)We even have a specific fund raising drive to cover the costs. I send a little money every year
LiberalFighter
(50,856 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,748 posts)in state after state. Basically falsifying government documents - whether their mailer is supposedly a "Census" form -
or a "mail-in ballot" with tiny print somewhere eventually indicating it was sent out by the Republican party, or some mailer sent to Democratic areas with the wrong election date and/or poll location.
Karadeniz
(22,492 posts)Wear campaign T-shirts or buttons...that's trying to influence the vote. Mailing a ballot with a candidate's or party's picture or message would definitely qualify as trying to influence the vote and would be illegal where I live. I wonder if NC has such an anti-electioneering law? Call the lawyers!
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)The Texas Democratic Party sends them out.
Candidates send them out too. The candidate ones come with ads.
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)should have received a Mail in ballot application in January. It would show TDP in Austin as the sender, and clearly indicates it is an application.
This has been an ongoing campaign since 2010 to get folks to request ballots to vote from home, instead of having to remember to request them. Democratic mail in ballot numbers have increased every election cycle since. Since we have to request every year, it is a good reminder.
Making it easier to get a ballot in the mail for the rest of the year is not voter influencing; we have no way of knowing whether these folks will vote, how they will vote, or if they will even return the application. The end result has been worth the effort; we're sending out more mail in ballots every year. We don't register by party, so we don't even know if we are sending them to folks who only vote in Democratic primaries to "mess with the libs" but we do it anyway and our vote by mail numbers are increasing every year.
Traildogbob
(8,709 posts)I got mine and my daughter absentee ballot 2 weeks ago. No trump shit on it anywhere. Still, being in North Carolina I was skeptical of fraud, so I called my local Dem headquarter and they verified it was real. Postage for return was paid. But, with USPS shit I hand delivered both to the local elections board and they entered all the data into the computer as I stood there. I was told I could hand deliver my and my daughters ballots. She works in ICU and shifts are nuts. I went back to Dem headquarters to verify I could hand deliver. Also asked if my ballots are delayed, can I go vote in person, they said absolutely. On a side note, I thought Saturday was Sunday, I retiree thing, so when the mail lady came and put something in the box, I thought whoa, wait, delivery on Sunday? The mail was a huge political fold out, promoting Cooper over the Republican prick! I thought damn, delivering Pro Dem stuff on Sunday, there is a god.
Meadows IS republican North Carolina. And his peeps are getting fucked by USPS Bullshit. Also, my and my daughters tax returns are no where to be found. App $2,000 each. 5.5 months after filling. More trump fuckery with the IRS staff cuts. The criminal is destroying his own fans as well as working dems. Those tax returns could really help loss of job folks and maybe save their homes, like Mnuchin gives a fuck about saving peoples homes.
Lasher
(27,556 posts)Maybe independents too but not to Democrats. They have databases and they pretty much know how you are likely to vote. Just another way to tip the scales.
Traildogbob
(8,709 posts)They probably have spies watching my DU posts and realize I am a lost cause. Wait until
I get my Shut the Fk up Donnie face mask from Stephanie Miller. I aint skeeeered😂 So just touch me beeeeatches! Your gubment tax dollars trained me in some things. Never missed a vote since we fought for that right after the draft to the jungle war, without that right. Try and stop me.
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)If NC is an open primary state, it is pot luck except for those who consistently vote for Republicans in primaries, so they are going to send to some Democrats
That happens here with the Democratic vote by mail campaign. We are an open registration state so we don't always know who is getting the applications. The Democratic data base (VAN Voter Access Network) is awesome. Campaigns use it. Precinct chairs use it. County parties and state parties depend on it. I am told it is much more advanced than the Rep database . We have formulas to determine hard Dem, vs soft Dem vs likely Dem and when we phone bank or canvass we hit the unknowns and iffy folks first. Sometimes we find NVDs Non Voting Democrats (who are more likely to vote knowing they are not The Only Democrat In Fort Worth)
When I phone bank, I can update the VAN with any new info - such as the phone # I am dialing does not belong to the person or address I am trying to reach. Or the person now lives at a new address. We are currently working a phone campaign targeting qualified voters who have not returned a ballot application; if they tell us they want one we can request it on the spot.
When it is time for vote by mail ballots to go out, I can see when ballots were sent by the Elections Administration, who received them, and when they were received back at the Elections office. I can then call the folks who haven't returned a ballot and remind them to send it, & if they say they are going to vote in person I can remind them to take that ballot with them if they want to vote in person.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)EarthFirst
(2,900 posts)No delays on these suckers!
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)to get the actual ballots out in time for the March primary.
If the request is not received in time for that ballot to go out, the voter will still receive ballots for all the remaining elections for the rest of the year .
George II
(67,782 posts)....it turned out to be just a campaign mailer.
The envelope read something like "official ballot document" or whatever. Wonder what this one looks like.
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)rockfordfile
(8,701 posts)oldsoftie
(12,523 posts)The return address WAS the correct one though.
Lasher
(27,556 posts)After all, there's a lot of personal information that the GOP would love to get in in an old school phishing operation. But it does not appear this is the case.
oldsoftie
(12,523 posts)It was an actual ballot application attached to a GOP ad about voting. For them of course. But i think it was a legit application
I would think sending it to them would be illegal, but who knows
George II
(67,782 posts)...that it's paid for by the North Carolina republican Party.
It's just a form to send in to request an absentee ballot. Our Democratic Party in CT has done things like that in the past.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/politics/postal-service-trump-absentee-ballot-request-mail-usps/index.html
The Daily Irishman
(75 posts)His face and/or name will be on everything, in the grand tradition of tyrants.
bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)State should refuse to accept them.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)it succinctly. Nothing illegal about it.
still_one
(92,116 posts)Lasher
(27,556 posts)Although I don't remember providing so much information when I sent in my request for the primary ballot.
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)just as we Dems can in Texas.
They are mining for volunteers and donors and probably surveying for top issues among the voters so they can push them in the various campaigns
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)See it as a piece of political junk mail, and discard it.
I hope this isn't the only outreach the elections office is making to voters in North Carolina.
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)to remind them. Sometimes they plan to vote in person . Sometimes they aren't planning to vote at all. SOmetimes they threw it away because they thought it was a donation request from the state Democratic party.
If they tell me they are going to vote in person I tell them to keep the application in case circumstances change and they need to vote from home.
There is nothing nefarious or illegal about this; but it is an exceptionally tacky mailing. Having his face all over it does get one's attention.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)Were going to restrict themselves to the same bag of tricks they used in 2016?
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)Texas Democrats have been doing it for years. I do not know if the Rs are doing something similar because there is no way they would waste their postage on me. We are open primary, and the most basic survey would cull out consistent voters in the opposite party's primaries.
We are hard core never miss an election Democrats, so our primary history is straight D all the way. We get our VBM app like clockwork. Sometimes we use it sometimes we don't
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)The document represents itself as an absentee ballot request, something that should only be handled by the state.
Have I got it wrong?
ga_girl
(183 posts)As explained many times by YellowDogInTexas, this is a fairly standard way for both Democrat and Republican parties to get out the vote. And by that I mean get people to request absentee ballots via state approved forms. The only question I have, and I've not seen the reverse side of the forms, is where the application is to be sent to. If it's addressed to the correct department, it should be a safe method of requesting an absentee ballot.
Looking at images, the information requested is very similar to what I hand out in Georgia if a voter wants to update their voter registration information
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)The individual political parties to print absentee ballot requests in addition to what I have to assume are official state forms? And these party-produced requests can be submitted to the Texas election officials?
I lived in Texas for awhile and I never ran across this.
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)from the Secretary of State or the county elections office. It just comes inside an envelope from the TDP. Texas Democratic Party pays for the cost of printing them and getting them out to the voters, but the requests are not sent back to the party. I think they go back to the TX Secty of State for processing.
I will say that ours are much more official looking and far less tacky than that North Carolina one
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)To steal this election.
CRK7376
(2,199 posts)all registered Democrats, have received any of that garbage. In fact my wife and I mailed out our request for our Absentee Ballot today.
radius777
(3,635 posts)Yes, I see the posts above saying 'Dems do it too' but I don't think it's good for any correspondence to/from official election agencies to be 'tainted' with partisanship or advertisements of any kind. Even if it is just the request form for the absentee ballot and not the ballot itself.
CRK7376
(2,199 posts)ballots. Then I could put new droppings paper in my birdcage....
CRK7376
(2,199 posts)ballots. Then I could put new droppings paper in my birdcage....
melm00se
(4,989 posts)and honestly I don't care that asshole's face is on the request. As long as the address for the requesting that absentee ballot is correct and form acceptable to the voting people, so what?
I find it hilarious that he sent the instrument that will spell his doom in November.