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Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:00 PM

Attorney for accused Kenosha protest gunman says teen acted in self-defense

Source: Reuters

KENOSHA, Wis. (Reuters) - A high-profile lawyer representing the 17-year-old boy charged with killing two protesters and wounding another during demonstrations on the streets of Kenosha, Wisconsin, said on Friday that his client had acted in self-defense.

Atlanta-based attorney Lin Wood said video footage of the altercation would vindicate Kyle Rittenhouse despite what he described as misinformation being spread by the media.

"Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. Murder charges are factually unsupportable. An egregious miscarriage of justice is occurring with respect to this 17-year old boy," Wood said on Twitter.

Rittenhouse, who prosecutors say traveled 30 miles (50 km) to Kenosha from his home in Antioch, Illinois, before the shooting at about 11:45 p.m. on Tuesday, is charged with six criminal counts, including first-degree homicide and attempted homicide.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/attorney-for-accused-kenosha-protest-gunman-says-teen-acted-in-self-defense/ar-BB18qo55?li=BBnb7Kz



When does someone from Illinois who commits a crime in Wisconsin get an attorney from Atlanta? Which organization is his attorney associated with?

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Reply Attorney for accused Kenosha protest gunman says teen acted in self-defense (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 29 OP
yaesu Aug 29 #1
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hoosierspud Aug 29 #30
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totodeinhere Aug 29 #5
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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:04 PM

1. That dog won't hunt

the nazi punk murdered those people in cold blood, he's on video doing it, his ass is cooked. After his ass is cooked they need to go after his mother and the wep manufacturer, the police who let it happen.

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Response to yaesu (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:16 PM

11. Civil Suits Should Also Be Filed

No telling how much $ these folks will be raising via "Go Fund Me" appeals.

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Response to modrepub (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 01:29 PM

30. I think the families of the victims should sue Facebook

and Mark Zuckerberg down to his last pair of clean underwear. The militia group this kid was a part of called for its members to show up in Kenosha with weapons. Hundreds of requests were made to FB moderators to shut down the group, but the requests were ignored because it didn't violate FB standards
After two people ended up dead, they shut it down. Zuckerberg has blood on his hands.

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Response to hoosierspud (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 08:32 PM

70. I agree

Sue his ass to kingdom come.

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Response to modrepub (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:15 PM

87. Yup the victims deserve every penny of it.

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Response to yaesu (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 01:37 PM

32. They would have a much better chance with a crazy plea

since he's a kid with a long history of being cop obsessed.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #32)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 01:43 PM

35. that's true, I'm sure that will be taken into consideration at a trial or plea. nt

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Response to yaesu (Reply #35)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 02:36 PM

41. In any other situation, this kid would have been seen as a dangerous threat

and the people brave enough to try to take that gun away from him would be praised as heroes.

Instead, the heroes are being portrayed as attackers who deserved to be slaughtered because black folks can't be heroes.

This kid might very well skate on the charges. He won't stay out of prison for long.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:05 PM

2. Self defense?

Last edited Sat Aug 29, 2020, 03:21 PM - Edit history (2)

He went from Illinois to Wisconsin, brought an assault rifle, put himself into the
middle of BLM demonstration, and when "the locals" objected to him and his gun
being there he shot a person and then shot another person trying to stop him
from shooting anybody else.

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:48 PM

24. well said. nt

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 08:41 PM

71. +1

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 10:45 AM

104. Legally, none of that matters.

If you are a convicted felon, and you have a gun and shoot someone who broke into your house; you'll go to jail for the weapons charge, but you'll skate on a murder charge because you were acting in self defense. Being a convicted felon does not supercede your right to self defense.

Rittenhouse, being in possession of a weapon where he was is a violation, but it's a misdemeanor. And it doesn't eliminate his right to self defense.

The only charge that's really up in the air is the first shooting. The 2nd guy killed, and the dude with his arm shot will be legit self defense, and those charges will be dropped before trial. Those two shootings are on numerous videos, Rittenhouse was clearly fleeing down the road, and is not a threat to anyone, and was attacked by two people. It doesn't matter what happened minutes before. Wisconsin is an open carry state, and Rittenhouse's rifle was pointed at the ground before the confrontation. What matters is who is the aggressor in that instant, and in that instant, in the eyes of the law, Rittenhouse is the victim.

Rittenhouse is for sure going down on the possession charge, maybe the endangering safety charges as well, but i kind of doubt it.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:07 PM

3. BULLSHIT

Fucker deserves the fucking needle.

And if it's true "mommy" drove him there, she needs to spend several years behind bars as well.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:11 PM

5. He deserves life in prison without parole, but he does not deserve the needle.

Either we oppose capital punishment or we don't. The state has no business killing anyone under the color of law, period. I have always opposed capital punishment and I always will.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:12 PM

8. Your opinion and you're entitled to it. Not mine.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:18 PM

13. Of course. I did not mean to imply that you are not entitled to your opinion.

But in my opinion capital punishment is wrong. We are just about the only civilized First World country that still has capital punishment. And capital punishment disproportionately affects people of color.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:22 PM

14. You are certainly entitled to that opinion

But given how the death penalty is applied, it is morally unsupportable, since innocent people have been executed. As long as we have a death penalty, it will be applied unjustly, and innocent people will die.

How many innocent people is it okay to murder in order to punish the guilty?

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Response to Miguelito Loveless (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 08:57 PM

95. "How many innocent people is it okay to murder in order to punish the guilty?"

I don'y know. Perhaps you could ask George Bush and Dick Cheney post 9/11.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #95)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 09:56 AM

103. Well, as they support the death penalty and torture

kind of a waste of time to ask a question I already know the answer to. Cheney has made it pretty clear that he will murder as many as he sees fit.

I would hope we are better than that.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:42 PM

19. Same here

State sanctioned murder is uncivilized and barbaric. Besides, we don't know as death is a punishment at all. We could be putting the killer out of his misery, whereas, he should live a long, long life incarcerated, knowing what all he lost and the pain he caused.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:12 PM

7. no death penalty in wisco

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Response to rdking647 (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:15 PM

9. I'm aware. Still doesn't change my feelings.

Either we do something to STOP the FASCIST TAKEOVER of America by white supremacists, or we kiss it goodbye.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 07:56 PM

90. I don't believe 17 year olds can get the death penalty

Also a 17 year old's brain isn't fully developed the pre frontal cortex is not fully developed in a teen's brain.

I fully support prosecuting him but death penalty is too far for me.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #90)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 08:52 PM

93. I think your "brain" assessment is wrong...

If it was a 12 year old, yeah, maybe I could agree. But a 17 year old??? Today's 17 year old is the equivalent of last centuries 25 year old. Today's 17 year old has much more cogniscent ability than you or I had 50 years ago.
I'm sorry, THAT IS AN ADULT.
An individual, who has experience with an assault weapon, travels over state lines KNOWS EXACTLY what they are doing.
Besides, 17 or just 18 is old enough to join the military and kill multitudes of humans as part of their job.
This kid knew EXACTLY what he was doing and should pay the price for it.

As well as his "mommy" should spend years in federal prison as an accomplice if it's shown she drove this traitor across state lines to kill Americans.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #93)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:01 PM

96. I understand the prefrontal cortex

The development and maturation of the prefrontal cortex occurs primarily during adolescence and is fully accomplished at the age of 25 years. The development of the prefrontal cortex is very important for complex behavioral performance, as this region of the brain helps accomplish executive brain functions.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/#:~:text=The%20development%20and%20maturation%20of%20the%20prefrontal%20cortex%20occurs%20primarily,helps%20accomplish%20executive%20brain%20functions.

Sociopaths also have less activity in the prefrontal cortex area

There's Now More Evidence Linking Psychopathy to Disturbances in The Prefrontal Cortex

https://www.sciencealert.com/psychopathy-has-been-linked-to-disturbances-in-the-prefrontal-cortex

The prefrontal cortex regulates impulse & decision making.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #96)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:10 PM

97. From your own citation:

"The find doesn't necessarily mean changes in the prefrontal cortex can cause psychopathy or vice versa - correlation does not equal causation, after all."

Meaning, this individual could very well been COMPLETELY AWARE of his intentions and actions. The fact he drove (or was driven) from out of state indicates PRE MEDITATION and therefore requires the harshest penalty the law provides.

WE HAVE TO STOP THE FASCIST TAKEOVER OF AMERICA.

Let's start by jailing assholes running around with AR-15s, regardless of their age.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #97)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:20 PM

100. I didn't mean imply sociopathy or psychopathy is the same as a teen's brain development

I just posted that to highlight my understanding of the prefrontal cortex.

I agree he was aware of his actions and should be held accountable. I just think it is unlikely he would make the same decision if he were 30.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #100)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:58 PM

101. That's debatable.

A further 13 years of bigoted, fascist, racist propaganda and indoctrination from like-minded family and friends may make the criminality WORSE, not better.

See Nazi Germany, 1930 - 1942.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:41 PM

18. He can't get the needle anyway

He’s too young, and the jurisdiction he committed the murders in abolished the death penalty.

No, fellow Democrat, what Mr. Rittenhouse needs is to die behind bars of natural causes at the age of 100, toilet brush in his left hand and bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in the right.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:13 PM

98. Understood.

It does not lesson my anger at this un-American fucking punk...
Or his defenders.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:10 PM

4. crossed state lines, so up against re-started Fed death penalty if properly charged; love me some

Schadenfreude 😉 maybe add a side of anti-terror statutes, yum!

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Response to bringthePaine (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:11 PM

6. 17 years old so not eligible for the death penalty in any case

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Response to rdking647 (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:43 PM

20. He is, however, eligible for ADX Florence

And he may very well have to go there because the Black gangs in the Big House know who he is.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #20)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 08:53 PM

94. Yup, good place for him to spend the rest of his life. Fuck him.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:15 PM

10. i read this earlier and was sick to my stomach re: the self-defense defense strategy

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:18 PM

12. Of course he did!!!!

That's what Defense Attorney's do, they're supposed to vigorously defend their client(s), whether they believe their client is truly innocent or guilty.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:30 PM

15. I saw that coming, and I get the reasoning.

But from what I've seen this kid didn't get threatened until after he arrived on scene with an assault weapon and fired blindly into a crowd. Then he was chased down and beaten and may have felt he had to defend himself. The key word there is "assault".

Certainly he'll have a hard time with this defense since he went there with obvious intentions of shooting someone. He just needed an excuse.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:44 PM

22. I am guessing

If the victim that lost his arm from the prick, can go shoot and kill his chubby little racist incel ass, the one armed guy can claim self defense. Imagine the go fund me for his defense.
And that little puke as well as the cop that shot 7 times in the back of a black man are walking right now. Unlike the paralyzed black man, the 2 dead and the one armed victim. Justice in America. Brought into full view from a lawless Putin puppet. MAGA...Again.
Where are daddy and son “bubba‘s” KKKlansmen from Georgia that chased a black man down to kill? Are theY out fishing in Georgia, hiring Gooliani’s KKKlan of attornies?

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:37 PM

16. Well, according to the laws in this country (we DO still have laws, don't we?? 😳)


the punk is entitled to a defense. He is also allowed to hire a lawyer or have one assigned to him.
Let’s be sure to get the facts straight. He had a weapon assuredly not purchased for target practice. He had his mother drive him to the scene of the protest with weapon in hand. (What sane mother would take her armed 17 year old son into a situation like that?) So isn’t the logical first question to the teen, why did you go there? What did you think you were going to do? As an under age civilian, under whose authority did you believe you were acting? What did you believe would happen by you going there to a highly charged, emotional event with a gun designed to kill?

There are many more questions that will need to be asked and answered but his intent matters. Why did he go there? What was he planning to do once he was at the protest? Is he like the arsonist who cries foul after he got burned setting the fire? Does he expect the rest of us to feel gratitude for his efforts? So many questions this young man will be facing.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:45 PM

23. He's like the guy that breaks into your house

then sues you because he cut himself on broken glass from the window he smashed, then slipped on the ice on your sidewalk.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:39 PM

17. That Hotlanta attorney is going after that GoFundMe money.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #17)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 02:01 PM

37. ...

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:43 PM

21. Yeah, because every unarmed person will attack a guy with an AR-15.

Just for giggles. The guy came looking for trouble.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:49 PM

25. That's what defense attorneys do nt

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #25)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 06:18 PM

57. Precisely

It's their job.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:50 PM

26. I call BS. so tired of the right wing supporting vigilantes killing people for exercising freedom

of speech.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 12:58 PM

27. His phone records show he called a friend and bragged about shooting someone

then went on and shot two more after he hung up. I don't think self-defense is going to get off the ground.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 01:01 PM

28. His lawyer Lin Wood, who is Smirky McSmirkface's lawyer, claims he didn't cross state lines because

 

Kyle Rittenhouse is a community lifeguard who was working in Kenosha the day of the shooting.
This simple fact destroys the narrative being peddled by the mainstream media that he had “crossed state lines” to harm the rioters.

In a statement by Rittenhouse’s legal team at Pierce Bainbridge, provided to the Gateway Pundit, they explained that “after Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters.”


Bwahahahahah*wheeze*Bwahahahahah
That'll be easy enough to disprove. Where are the timesheet records? Who saw him at work that day? I'll wager none exist.

All vapor and will sink that defense.

gateway pundit *spit* rightwing assholes.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-lifeguard-kenosha-day-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/

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Response to John Drake (Reply #28)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 01:40 PM

34. LOL...a community life guard in a different State? No public pools in Antioch?

Eh...his defense attorneys have to do something for this PUKE even if it's the outrageous "defense" claim.

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Response to Bengus81 (Reply #34)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 04:41 PM

52. Antioch is literally on the border

Kenosha is less than 1/2 hour away, and basically the closest big town. It isn’t unusual to live in Antioch and work in Kenosha. The State border is truly an invisible line in this case.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 01:15 PM

29. Attorneys are supposed to advocate for their clients,

why are so many people shocked that he is doing his job?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #29)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 02:17 PM

40. Because rights are mutable

depending upon one's view of the actual crime, who perpetrated it, who was victimized by it and if they get into the way of a good righteous rage or not.

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Response to melm00se (Reply #40)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 06:41 PM

61. It does seem there is a segment of people

who believe the rights of the accused should only apply to certain perpetrators.

Several have indicated we should schedule the execution to take place immediately after the fair trial; unless we want to have some good old fashioned prison "justice" administered before said execution.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 01:32 PM

31. That was a given from the start





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Response to Baclava (Reply #31)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 01:46 PM

36. He had already shot a guy dead and they were trying to get his AR away from him.

Then he shot the guy with the skateboard who had NO GUN in the chest. He died. That lower right picture is so misleading. Where did you get it?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #36)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 02:03 PM

38. Photos are all over the internet, not hard to find, videos too

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Response to Baclava (Reply #38)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 03:43 PM

45. The lower right is not posted in mainstream sources. Where did you get that? nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #45)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 05:31 PM

54. NYPOST Lawyer of alleged Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse claims self-defense

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Response to Baclava (Reply #54)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 05:38 PM

55. I figured you got it from a lying right wing source. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #55)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 05:53 PM

56. Here's another article that says he was holding gun, Star Tribune, MN

The third man to be shot was wounded in the left arm. Court records said Gaige Grosskreutz, 26, appeared to be holding a gun when he approached Rittenhouse after he shot at Huber.

https://www.startribune.com/men-killed-wounded-joined-kenosha-protests-engaged-gunman/572252332/

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Response to Baclava (Reply #56)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 06:20 PM

58. The Tribune does not have that picture; it says the first man he killed only had a plastic bag!

Rittenhouse filled that unarmed man with bullets from his assault rifle as that man tried to use a plastic bag to disarm him.

Then subsequent men were bravely trying to take Rittenhouse's AR from him, after he fucking murdered a guy. The second guy he killed was armed with just a skateboard, as the article says. So what self defense can he claim against two unarmed men?

But you go with the right wing narrative. Why?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #58)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 06:40 PM

60. Just going by what the people on the scene said, that he had a handgun

West Allis man shot during Kenosha protests recovers in Milwaukee hospital

MILWAUKEE — One of the victims of the Kenosha protest shootings is recovering in a Milwaukee hospital. Two other men were killed, while Gaige Grosskreutz from West Allis was shot in the arm.

Just before midnight Tuesday, gunshots rang to in Kenosha. National photojournalist Alex Lourie was there when it happened, working.

Video shows that man people said was the shooter fall. People started running towards him, then another two shots rang out.

One of those bullets hit Grosskreutz in the arm. Lourie said he saw Grosskreutz was carrying a gun. He also saw he was volunteering as a medic earlier that night.


https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/west-allis-man-shot-during-kenosha-protests-recovers-in-milwaukee-hospital

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A man who was shot in the arm during Tuesday's night protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, has been identified as 26-year-old Gaige Grosskreutz





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Response to Baclava (Reply #60)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 07:03 PM

62. No, you're not. Rosenbaum had a plastic bag, not a handgun.

You're arguing the THIRD guy, a medic, that Rittenhouse shot was self defense because the medic had a handgun, even tbough no video or witnesses say the medic pointed the gun at Rittenhouse. But hey, Rittenhouse felt threatened because he saw a man with a handgun so he had every right to bladt away, according to you and the right wingers at The Post and the right wing fever swamp on the internet. But when an unarmed man with a plastic bag tries to disarm a crazed kid carrying a mass killing weapon, that's not self defense, that's Rosenbaum being the "aggressor." You see no inconsistencies with how you apply your "self defense" argument?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #62)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 07:13 PM

63. DU isnt a courthouse, you weren't there, I'm not a lawyer presenting evidence, just reading, lol

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Response to Baclava (Reply #63)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 07:57 PM

65. You're not "just reading." You're spreading right wing propaganda. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #65)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 08:03 PM

66. From USAToday? Grosskreutz appeared "to be holding a handgun in his right hand when he was shot"

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Response to Baclava (Reply #66)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 08:47 PM

73. But no one says he was pointing it at Rittenhouse. How does Rittenhouse have a right to shoot him?

How is Rittenhouse's shooting of Grosskreutz self defense?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #73)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 09:49 PM

75. I never said he did, just that he had a gun, I guess we'll find out in a couple years at trial

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #73)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 10:08 PM

77. From the NYTimes account

While Mr. Rittenhouse is being pursued by the group, an unknown gunman fires into the air, though it’s unclear why. The weapon’s muzzle flash appears in footage filmed at the scene.

Mr. Rittenhouse turns toward the sound of gunfire as another pursuer lunges toward him from the same direction. Mr. Rittenhouse then fires four times, and appears to shoot the man in the head. . .

As Mr. Rittenhouse is running, he trips and falls to the ground. He fires four shots as three people rush toward him. One person appears to be hit in the chest and falls to the ground. Another, who is carrying a handgun, is hit in the arm and runs away.

Mr. Rittenhouse’s gunfire is mixed in with the sound of at least 16 other gunshots that ring out during this time.


If he's running away and shots are fired... and then he's attacked (after "get that dude" and "get his ass" ) while he's on the ground and an armed man lunges for him?

Going to be easy to convict on charges related to a minor carrying a weapon in the first place... and probably some form of "fleeing the scene" charge. But it's going to be difficult to get past some amount of reasonable doubt - particularly for anything approaching a premeditated homicide charge.


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Response to FBaggins (Reply #77)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 11:23 PM

78. So again, no evidence the man with the gun pointed it at Rittenhouse.

Let alone fired the gun.

Rittenhouse had just sprayed a man with bullets from his assault rifle, killing him on the spot. That is why the crowd was chasing him. They were trying to disarm him to keep him from killing more people.

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Response to Baclava (Reply #54)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:14 PM

99. NY Post is a NAZI RAG. Always has been..

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Response to Baclava (Reply #31)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 03:11 PM

44. The good guy with the gun didn't use it...

he should have. The NRA always runs with stories like this...

If you've just killed someone and are being chased from the location you're not the victim.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 01:39 PM

33. Lin Wood recently represented Covington Catholic teen Nick Sandmann.

Lin Wood runs a right-wing organization that brings "lawsuits to stop the lies and smears of the radical left."

https://www.insider.com/kyle-rittenhouse-lawyers-john-pierce-lin-wood-fightback-foundation-2020-8

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #33)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 02:07 PM

39. Thanks. It's useful to know the 'fake news' bubble he comes from.

Last edited Sat Aug 29, 2020, 03:49 PM - Edit history (1)

Which goes to show how a trial attorney can be pretty inaccurate about the lay of the land of facts in this nation.

Or they really do know, and choose only facts that help their bottom line.

These are definitely just-us lawyers, not justice lawyers.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #39)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 03:47 PM

46. Oh, and he's an anti-masker and QAnon fan. He's scum.

In recent months, he's taken to Twitter to argue against wearing masks in the coronavirus pandemic and has shared the hashtag #WWG1WGA, a reference to a catchphrase for the QAnon movement. 
https://www.insider.com/kyle-rittenhouse-lawyers-john-pierce-lin-wood-fightback-foundation-2020-8

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #46)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 03:51 PM

47. Wow. That adds a whole nother level of hackery to the likelihood of his so-called success rate.

Maybe it's a good thing the jurisdiction IS in Illinois. Being a blue state and all, the judge might not buy any of Lin Wood's first moves.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #47)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 04:10 PM

49. Lin Wood is backed up by a whole team of high powered lawyers.

Wood is the right wing mouthpiece that gets the media quotes out and gets the right wing rubes to donate to the cause.

Rittenhouse will be VERY well defended.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #49)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 04:17 PM

51. I was just reading his site's Prosecution of the Radical Left. You're not kidding.

Based on his "official site statement," we liberals must be some psychos and don't know it.

Just a taste of the fight bluster against our "lies" and "abuse of power."

“Racist.” “Sexist.” “Homophobic.” “Transphobic.” The far left and the fake news media uses terms like this to smear anyone they don't like. Instead of reporting, they just repeat the lies of the left and silence conservatives while they're at it. The #FightBack Foundation will take them to court for their lies.

Far left social media executives say they care about free speech, but it turns out they only about care about free speech that they like. They fact check President Trump for typos and ban conservatives for their opinions, but they let blue check marks freely say that all white people are evil and biological sex does not exist. Social media companies have abused the privileges given to them by federal law. But we will hold them accountable for their lies and extreme bias.

The left has targeted conservatives for far too long. From Obama and Lois Lerner targeting conservative groups to state officials singling out religious business owners to illegal wiretaps on Trump officials based on crackpot conspiracy theories, the far left has not stopped using political power to attack constitutional rights. It's time to #Fightback. Join our team as we take the far left to court for their abuses of power.


I now suspect that this killing, like others, was a setup. We're up against a war script with scripted skirmishes that are nowhere near "long wolf" random, with police playing referee/witness.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 02:57 PM

42. Looks like the fix is in.

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Response to Doug.Goodall (Reply #42)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 03:04 PM

43. What fix?

He's doing what any competent Defense Attorney would do.

They are bound to vigorously defend their client, whether or not they believe in guilt or innocence.

I would have been shocked if he hadn't made that statement.

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Response to dware (Reply #43)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 03:55 PM

48. The right wing is pouring money into his defense. He's not paying for it.

https://www.insider.com/kyle-rittenhouse-lawyers-john-pierce-lin-wood-fightback-foundation-2020-8

What fix? We don't have equal justice in this country. Justice goes to the highest bidder. The right wing have more money. It's as simple as that.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #48)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 10:33 AM

82. And this has what to do with my post?

All I said was that he was doing what any competent defense attorney would do, vigorously defending his client, which he is bound to do.

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Response to dware (Reply #43)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 04:13 PM

50. The prosecuting attorney in Kenosha stated the quick charges were to deter further violence

Kenosha is a bit more right wing than Milwaukee or Chicago. They know that first they have to file serious, multiple charges against the little vigilante, then after the news cools down, they start dropping the charges.
First one to go is the crossing state line charges. Then they drop the first degree murder charges. When it finally goes to trial, what few charges are left are dismissed for lack of evidence and a determination of self defense.

A year from now when the kid walks, nobody will notice.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 05:21 PM

53. Like it or not he will be allowed to go free

They might get the minor with a gun charge to stick. Rosenbaum the first guy shot and killed was by law the aggressor he was pissed Kyle used a fire extinguisher on the dumpster on wheels he set on fire (in a video). He screams at Kyle and chased him (in a video). Rosenbaum then lunges at Kyle and attempts to grab the rifle and is shot (testimony from McGuiness). While on the phone crowd starts yelling “get his ass” “beat the shit out of him” Kyle runs. All of this is already available on multiple videos nothing will change it. Kyle should not have placed himself in that situation but he will go free of any major charges.

I’m just telling everyone what is going to happen. Just be prepared for it. I figure I will catch hell for saying this but it is the truth.

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Response to DVRacer (Reply #53)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 07:51 PM

64. Self defense has to be proportional.

I could not find any videos showing Rosenbaum starting a dumpster on fire, or Rittenhouse putting it out, nor Rosenbaum as the "aggressor" pursuing Rittenhouse. Got links?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #64)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 08:09 PM

67. Here is a clip of the fire

https://www.bitchute.com/video/elUMbiJ2swse/

There are more on YouTube that are longer

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Response to DVRacer (Reply #67)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 08:43 PM

72. That's just a random clip of a dumster. It does not show Rosenbaum, let alone his "aggression."

Is that all you have?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #72)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 10:03 PM

76. If you can stomach it here is a recap

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Response to DVRacer (Reply #76)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 11:46 PM

79. The "Commies Don't Surf" narrator showed no video of Rosenbaum's "aggression" on Rittenhouse.

What he said was Rosenbaum, and everyone else thereafter, were grabbing at the AR to try to get it away from Rittenhouse. They weren't grabbing at Rittenhouse, they grabbed at his AR. They were trying to disarm him because he was a danger to everyone, pointing his AR at people, as the narrator states.. Not wating to let go of a gun you're not supposed to have is not grounds to kill the person trying to take the illegal gun away from you.

So is that the best you've got?

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Response to DVRacer (Reply #53)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 08:30 PM

69. Anyone who thinks he's not going to walk

is fooling themselves. Zimmerman all over again.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #69)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 08:11 PM

92. I think those that think it is a slam dunk case of self defense are fooling themselves

I'm interested in hearing what the prosecutor has to say.

The jury made a mistake in the Zimmerman case but it is because most of the juror members had a poor understanding of AAVE.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #92)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 06:59 AM

102. I don't think it's a GOOD case of self defense,

I just don’t trust a jury to properly decide.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 06:22 PM

59. Traveling across state lines with an assault weapon is hunting, not self-defense

What’s next from the imminently creative attorney, it was a lethal skateboard?

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Response to dlk (Reply #59)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 08:22 PM

68. The rifle belonged to a friend of his who lived in WI.

According to Rittenhouse's attorney.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #68)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 08:53 PM

74. But Rittenhouse posted pictures of himself with that gun on social media.

Rittenhouse clearly possessed the AR for many days before killing those men. That "friend" gave a child an assault rifle. Sounds like child endangerment to me. And mom knew about it since she drove her little doughy killer to the protest with that AR.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #74)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 09:48 AM

81. I haven't seen anything that confrims the mother drove him.

At 17, he most likely has a license.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #74)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 11:14 AM

84. I keep on reading here that the mom drove him there,

do you have any links that confirm that really happened?

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #68)

Sat Aug 29, 2020, 11:53 PM

80. This vigilante thug still traveled across state lines

He didn’t leave home in self-defense.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #68)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 06:30 PM

89. BULLSHIT nt

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #89)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 08:01 PM

91. Easy enough to prove or disprove.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #91)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 06:42 PM

105. Doesn't matter anyway. He was in illegal possession of that weapon. He's under 18. NT

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #105)

Tue Sep 1, 2020, 08:23 AM

106. I think that charge is going to be hotly debated.

Edited my post after doing some further reading and discovered what I had first posted was factually wrong. My error for being sloppy and not doing homework before posting.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 11:13 AM

83. Well, what's he gonna say? "Yeah, the kid is guilty."

He's an advocate. That's what he does.

-- Mal

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:00 PM

85. Let the children play.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:46 PM

86. Of Course He Did!

When you shoot someone for throwing a plastic bag at you, and others come after you, it makes total sense to fear they'll harm your person.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Aug 30, 2020, 03:29 PM

88. I've seen the charging document. Not one comment by a detective/officer

suggests self defense.

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