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neverforget

(9,513 posts)
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:43 AM Aug 2020

1 person shot, killed near downtown Portland protests Saturday

Source: The Oregonian

A person was shot and killed in downtown Portland as dueling demonstrations — one a pro-Trump car caravan and another a counter protest mounted by various left-wing groups — unfolded late Saturday.

Portland police say the shooting near Southwest Third Avenue and Alder Street. The agency did not say whether the incident was related to the demonstrations.

Read more: https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/08/1-person-shot-killed-near-downtown-portland-protests-saturday.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=oregonian_sf&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

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1 person shot, killed near downtown Portland protests Saturday (Original Post) neverforget Aug 2020 OP
Open season on us vercetti2021 Aug 2020 #1
Is it another case of Heavily Armed Asshole Provoking everybody and SeLf-DeFenCiNg? greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #2
I've heard people claiming it was a BLM protester killed... regnaD kciN Aug 2020 #4
Reports are pro-Trumper shot out of the window of one of the caravan vehicles greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #6
Updated: Possibly Protest Related SpazzTheCat Aug 2020 #7
Post the video greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #8
Video SpazzTheCat Aug 2020 #10
"I hate the source" greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #11
Kind of hard to believe what fake Neo-Nazi journalists like Andy Ngo have to say. hadEnuf Aug 2020 #14
So you "hate the source" eh? awesomerwb1 Aug 2020 #16
I'm not questioning that may have happened... regnaD kciN Aug 2020 #9
Apparently those reports are totally the opposite of what really happened. oldsoftie Aug 2020 #20
True greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #35
There is a Video McKim Aug 2020 #24
Which way to Thunderdome? dchill Aug 2020 #3
Video out on twitter SpazzTheCat Aug 2020 #5
I blame Trump. roamer65 Aug 2020 #12
He not only instigates it, he WANTS it. Kablooie Aug 2020 #13
And, this time, I fear he got exactly what he wanted... regnaD kciN Aug 2020 #15
Trump want to suspend the Constitution llashram Aug 2020 #23
No excuses Magilla Aug 2020 #29
Yep LeftInTX Aug 2020 #32
Trumpism UCmeNdc Aug 2020 #17
There is video of the deceased defending the train knife attacker.... RhodeIslandOne Aug 2020 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author alp227 Aug 2020 #31
I wonder if the shooter and him were familiar with each other? LeftInTX Aug 2020 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Sapient Donkey Aug 2020 #34
Initial reports suggest victim was a right-winger trump supporter Baclava Aug 2020 #19
Where are the BLM leaders and other leaders of protests in Portland? Lonestarblue Aug 2020 #21
Black Leaders Long Ago Condemned the Nightly Violent Protests McKim Aug 2020 #25
For some, this killing was an example of why police aren't needed in Portland Steelrolled Aug 2020 #26
The trouble makers tend to be anarchists with no real goals. LeftInTX Aug 2020 #28
Let's not bury our head in sand standingtall Aug 2020 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftInTX Aug 2020 #37
I've seen them assault people (black bloc) LeftInTX Aug 2020 #38
Agreed RobinA Aug 2020 #30
with Kenosha and trump quiet llashram Aug 2020 #22
The Reichstag is burning Politicub Aug 2020 #27
The right keeps saying they want more gun owners in the US NickB79 Aug 2020 #39
 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
2. Is it another case of Heavily Armed Asshole Provoking everybody and SeLf-DeFenCiNg?
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:46 AM
Aug 2020

Only time will tell...

regnaD kciN

(27,630 posts)
4. I've heard people claiming it was a BLM protester killed...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:57 AM
Aug 2020

...but that story makes it sound like the victim was a pro-Trumper. We really need more details, which I suspect won't be forthcoming.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
6. Reports are pro-Trumper shot out of the window of one of the caravan vehicles
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:13 AM
Aug 2020

Last edited Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:03 PM - Edit history (1)

killing a counter-protestor.

It's only the beginning. The Trumpers have been given the OK to start shooting. It's going to get bad.

ON EDIT: This report has turned out to be completely false.

 

SpazzTheCat

(69 posts)
7. Updated: Possibly Protest Related
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:21 AM
Aug 2020

The shooting occurred away from the protest, it is on video. Black male shot a white male.

Update: After seeing new pictures showing the victim on the ground. He appears to be a white or Hispanic male wearing a Patriot Prayer hat.

Picture showing victim's legs on the ground.


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SpazzTheCat

(69 posts)
10. Video
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:26 AM
Aug 2020
Link to tweet
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I hate the source.

Here is one of Portland paramedics working on the guy



I obviously don't know how to post links very well!

hadEnuf

(3,605 posts)
14. Kind of hard to believe what fake Neo-Nazi journalists like Andy Ngo have to say.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:01 AM
Aug 2020

Up yours Andy.

regnaD kciN

(27,630 posts)
9. I'm not questioning that may have happened...
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:23 AM
Aug 2020

...but the reports from Oregon Live have it that, as medics worked on the victim, a camo jacket with a "Blue Lives Matter" flag was seen on the ground next to them. I would assume this means that the victim was wearing it, although I guess it's possible that someone dropped it there, either coincidentally or as a sign of who did the shooting. But we still don't have any official details.

McKim

(2,426 posts)
24. There is a Video
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 11:50 AM
Aug 2020

There is a video of the event. Portland Police said that it is not certain who the shooter was and they are investigating. To their credit, they did not jump to conclusions. Our police have a bad reputation but some are straight arrow. I am really sad and shocked. Only Thursday I had a delightful day walking downtown and doing all my Christmas shopping at small businesses, with a take out lunch in a park. I love downtown and she is suffering! Now few will follow my example
And listen to my campaign to revive our downtown!!! Tragic that some deluded guy who went along with the Trump agenda or some Left protestor are now dead!

 

SpazzTheCat

(69 posts)
5. Video out on twitter
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:04 AM
Aug 2020

I have watched it, this does not appear to be associated with the protests.

It happened away from the protest.

Kablooie

(19,103 posts)
13. He not only instigates it, he WANTS it.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:55 AM
Aug 2020

He can get his followers to murder people then blame the liberals for the violence and scare more people into voting for him to stop the violence.

The fact that doesn’t make sense isn’t a problem.
People only believe what he says, not what he does.

llashram

(6,269 posts)
23. Trump want to suspend the Constitution
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 11:16 AM
Aug 2020

and the election. He and his 'advisors' are working overtime to create problems bad enough to INSTITUTE martial law. Ivanka, Jarad and Miller are sweating buckets to work out their plan. All the BS and pageantry has not fooled critically thinking Americans at all. They know it. They are looking for ways to suspend the election and install their lifelong dictatorship family and criminal organization at the top of this government. Hell, trumps BFF found a way to stay at the top of the Russian government till 2036, you don't think the trump crime family hasn't been getting tips from trumps puppet master?

Magilla

(24 posts)
29. No excuses
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:29 PM
Aug 2020

It is equally as bad when a right winger peaceful protester is killed as it is when a progressive protester is killed

To make excuses for one is making excuses for all.

To be outraged by one but not the other is not to be outraged by either.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
18. There is video of the deceased defending the train knife attacker....
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 07:59 AM
Aug 2020

....from three years ago, supposedly. Showed up to a counter protest of a memorial for the stabbing victims.

Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #18)

LeftInTX

(34,209 posts)
33. I wonder if the shooter and him were familiar with each other?
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:27 PM
Aug 2020

The exchange seemed a little more personal than random. (Shouting beforehand..and not exceedingly crowded)

Response to alp227 (Reply #31)

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
19. Initial reports suggest victim was a right-winger trump supporter
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 08:06 AM
Aug 2020

An Associated Press freelance photographer heard three gunshots and then observed police medics working on the body of the victim, who appeared to be a white man. The freelancer said the man was wearing a hat bearing the insignia of Patriot Prayer, a right-wing group whose members have frequently clashed with protesters in Portland in the past.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/killed-trump-supporters-protesters-clash-portland-72709330

Lonestarblue

(13,460 posts)
21. Where are the BLM leaders and other leaders of protests in Portland?
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 08:38 AM
Aug 2020

These protests no longer seem to be accomplishing anything but Trump’s goal of portraying the city as lawless and giving his gun-loving militias an excuse to invade the city.

McKim

(2,426 posts)
25. Black Leaders Long Ago Condemned the Nightly Violent Protests
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 11:55 AM
Aug 2020

Our Black leaders long ago condemned the nightly ritual of violence by their “supporters”. They encouraged people to come out and protest peacefully in the early evening. After these folks leave, the street fighters take over.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
26. For some, this killing was an example of why police aren't needed in Portland
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 12:08 PM
Aug 2020

The protesters "took out the trash" on their own.

https://streamable.com/155tla

I'd guess that for Portland, the worst it still to come.

edit: typo

LeftInTX

(34,209 posts)
28. The trouble makers tend to be anarchists with no real goals.
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:19 PM
Aug 2020

They claim to support BLM, but they really don't.
No one can control them. Portland has higher than average share of them.

standingtall

(3,148 posts)
36. Let's not bury our head in sand
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 04:51 PM
Aug 2020

Shooting people or beating up random people up is not really the mo of anarchist setting fire to Government buildings is more their thing. They've been a convenient scapegoat at least sense the Hay market rallies. Probably wasn't anarchrist that beat up another protestor who was not even a counter protester and then beat up a transgender woman who defended him and then kick a man in the head and assaulted his wife several weeks ago. Portland was way to hot even before what happened in Kenosha.


Would be wise for the leadership of BLM to tell protestors in Portland to just go home for a few weeks to cool off.

Response to standingtall (Reply #36)

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
30. Agreed
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 02:01 PM
Aug 2020

These protests need to stop. They are doing more harm to the left than good. Let the wingers protest and shoot at each other.

llashram

(6,269 posts)
22. with Kenosha and trump quiet
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 10:57 AM
Aug 2020

about murderer rottenhouse and going Tuesday to Kenosha to agitate his forces more, the first shots have been fired in our now 2nd Civil War. This time it will be over trump wanting to enslave all of us not wanting his dictatorship. Believe it not at your own peril. Rottonhouse has given trump his encouragement to get his violent murderous base agitated enough to start killing and he can declare martial law, suspend the Constitution and stop our November General Election till he sees fit to allow a sham election.

The MO, with details I'm missing, is as plain as the nose on my face. Every dictator uses a variation of the scenario.

Our country is in extreme peril and the people that voted for and otherwise allowed this clown into office in 2016 are the dangerous deluded ones that have now 2020 rendered our country, I dare say, FUBAR. 4 short year from democracy to potential dictatorship right around the corner.

I kept telling my self to leave, then cancer struck(in remission) and delayed my departure, then COVID hit and here I am in a boiling melting pot...waiting, still talking about the vote, hoping for the best, yet more than expecting more of the same as Kenosha and Portland and worse from trump, his militias and police forces around the nation that have turned into trumps private army of stormtroopers.

Can't do anything about the total idiots that allowed this snake to slither into his D.C. hellhole in 2016 but keep watchful and be as prepared as possible for the upcoming whirlwind of the next 60+ days and after till Jan 20th

Politicub

(12,327 posts)
27. The Reichstag is burning
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 01:12 PM
Aug 2020

A peaceful protestor gets shot and the president does not care.

But a right-wing militia member gets shot, and now the federal government is intervening.

Steel yourselves. Scary times are ahead.

NickB79

(20,332 posts)
39. The right keeps saying they want more gun owners in the US
Sun Aug 30, 2020, 05:01 PM
Aug 2020

They didn't think it through very well.

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