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Mon Aug 31, 2020, 09:30 AM

Man under investigation in fatal shooting after pro-Trump rally allegedly took loaded gun to earlier

Source: The Oregonian/OregonLive

A 48-year-old man who was accused of carrying a loaded gun at an earlier downtown Portland protest is under investigation in the fatal shooting Saturday night of a right-wing demonstrator after a pro-Trump rally.

Michael Forest Reinoehl calls himself an anti-fascist and has posted videos and photos of demonstrations he attended since late June, accompanied by the hashtags #blacklivesmatter, #anewnation and #breonnataylor.

Reinoehl was raised in Sandy and has had recent addresses in Northeast Portland, Gresham and Clackamas. He described himself on social media and in a video interview with Bloomberg QuickTake News as a professional snowboarder and contractor who has former military experience but “hated” his time in the army.

Sources familiar with the case but not authorized to speak said police are investigating Reinoehl. A family member also identified him as a man captured in photos and video seen leaving the shooting scene shortly before 9 p.m. Saturday.

Read more: https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html

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Reply Man under investigation in fatal shooting after pro-Trump rally allegedly took loaded gun to earlier (Original post)
Jose Garcia Aug 31 OP
Thomas Hurt Aug 31 #1
hadEnuf Aug 31 #2
Calista241 Aug 31 #4
Johnny2X2X Aug 31 #8
maxrandb Aug 31 #21
LeftInTX Aug 31 #24
hadEnuf Aug 31 #26
KS Toronado Aug 31 #3
Devil Child Aug 31 #9
KS Toronado Aug 31 #22
LanternWaste Aug 31 #30
Devil Child Aug 31 #31
Merlot Aug 31 #5
Lulu KC Aug 31 #6
ZenDem Aug 31 #10
Lulu KC Aug 31 #29
greenjar_01 Aug 31 #7
maxsolomon Aug 31 #17
greenjar_01 Aug 31 #18
marble falls Aug 31 #11
airmid Aug 31 #12
cayugafalls Aug 31 #14
airmid Aug 31 #15
Hassin Bin Sober Aug 31 #19
cayugafalls Aug 31 #23
OneCrazyDiamond Aug 31 #25
Hassin Bin Sober Aug 31 #27
OneCrazyDiamond Aug 31 #28
C Moon Aug 31 #13
maxsolomon Aug 31 #16
Sucha NastyWoman Aug 31 #20

Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 09:35 AM

1. This was inevitable...just need make sure this isn't a smear or he isn't really a RWNJ.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 09:41 AM

2. RWNJ's spraying bear mace in protester's faces?

If it were a protester doing the spraying the right wing would be calling the shooting self defense.

Just saying....

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Response to hadEnuf (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 10:03 AM

4. From the video I saw, the victim was largely alone and walking down the street.

I didn't see any overt provocation, other than his clothing which had blue lives matter stuff on it. Nothing really to justify shooting someone.

Now, maybe he got separated or whatever, but you're only allowed a self defense claim if there is an 'imminent' threat to you or others, and that doesn't seem supported by the video.

Violence is not a solution. And given many of these crowds, what they support seems likely to conflict with the Dem agenda at some point. IMO, we should end this violence while we can still pin it on Trump.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 10:54 AM

8. Are you sure he wasn't carrying some Skittles?

Perhaps the suspect was standing his ground?

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 12:14 PM

21. Maybe he reached in his wasteband

I hate violence, and I hope this guy faces the full brunt of the law, but let's not gloss over the huge differences.

Just imagine this scenario. A couple of people see this Patriot Prayer guy being "suspicious". He's driving around in a car, casing stuff, circling the block, so the protesters start to chase him. One protester coordinates with the other to "cut him off at the pass".

They hunt and track the White Nationalist in their vehicles and get their guns at the ready.

Blocking the suspicious guy, they order him to get on the ground. He refuses to comply, so they aim their weapons at him. He attempts to flee and a protester shoots him in the chest. As they stand over his bleeding body, one says; "we got him".

The police show up, find the dead white guy, take a statement from the shooter... maybe the cop knows him from his time in the military.

The cops enter "self-defense" on the report and the two protesters are sent on their way.

Something tells me that is a scenario we would never see...


unless the victim were black

This is why people are protesting.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 12:49 PM

24. I get the impression the shooter and the victim

knew who each other were. (This is quite common)

There was shouting before the shooting.
Rumor is, the victim pepper sprayed the shooter.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:23 PM

26. I read a differing report on what happened, but all the facts are not in yet either.

I also did not review the video.

No, violence is not the solution but the continued violence that has been started by the right will only go unanswered for so long. Sooner or later Americans are going to get tired of being target practice for these gun toting Trump supporters and I really can't blame them.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 09:52 AM

3. I was hoping the shooter was a RWNJ attempting to paint BLM in a bad light.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:02 AM

9. Considering the giant BLM-fist neck tattoo the suspect has, probably not.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 12:17 PM

22. Yep, looks like he's a LWNJ, thank God the RWNJs outnumber them a 100 to 1.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 07:12 PM

30. Oh dear...

"entire life destroyed by a social media lynch mob for a moment of anger..."

(btw-- how's she doing?)

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 07:18 PM

31. I've missed you

Your replies are cherished like letters from an old flame.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 10:19 AM

5. Usually antifa don't identify themselves as such

Not saying it's not true, just that I'd need to know more about his activities prior to late June.

Michael Forest Reinoehl calls himself an anti-fascist and has posted videos and photos of demonstrations he attended since late June, accompanied by the hashtags #blacklivesmatter, #anewnation and #breonnataylor.


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Response to Lulu KC (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:05 AM

10. He's a dangerous idiot.

Your link proves it. His FB page screams 'thrillseeker'. Someone who calls himself an anarchist just for thrill of anarchy. I've run into a few of those in my life.

So, if he is in fact on our side, it just proves we have a few assholes of our own. The difference? The majority of Dems have already condemned this asshole's actions. We aren't making him a fucking hero.

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Response to ZenDem (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 03:48 PM

29. I don't think he's on anyone's side

El solo lobo. Well, except for his kids! AN 11-YEAR OLD in the backseat?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 10:33 AM

7. Wait...so now it's NOT OK to bring loaded firearms to protests and shoot people?

But just earlier last week...? I mean?

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:45 AM

17. It depends, right?

Before last week, you we supposed to rush a mass shooter rather than run, but then it turns out you are never supposed to take a man's AR-15.

Crazy, huh?

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:57 AM

18. Throwing ambiguous plastic bags (maybe) is a cause for self defense

Blasting people with bear mace is not.

It's all very clear.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:10 AM

11. Best news for RWs in a while.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:28 AM

12. There are two shots in the video I saw when the news first broke. I wonder

who discharged their weapon first? Did the victim have a weapon? I wish I could find the video again but have had no luck.

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Response to airmid (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:41 AM

14. The victim had bear mace.

Here is enhanced video of the incident. Both shots came from same gun, the shooter. You can see the mace cloud start when the victim begins to raise his arm, right before the shots. If you listen closely, you can hear the hiss of the mace canister. I am working on enhancing the sound quality to bring up that hiss.


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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:43 AM

15. Thank you.

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 12:03 PM

19. Mace guy fired first. Seems like a clean shoot.

By right wingers standards.

Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta was shot in the back after discharging a police taser and running away.

In that case we learned how less than lethal versus a gun was justified for use of a gun.

Every right wing gun humper on the planet opined to that effect.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 12:26 PM

23. I concur. It is clear when I am editing the video that the mace is triggered as he swings his arm up

In the heat of the moment, the shooter reacted to the motion of his arm. I am not taking sides on this, just trying to discern the facts.

In Kenosha, a person who had already murdered one protester, is being lauded for killing another and wounding one more, because he was defending himself from unarmed protesters trying to capture said "killer".

Using the logic of the far right, you are correct.

Using my logic, he was killed trying to non-lethally defend himself from an assailant. At the end of the day, there are no winners, only losers.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 01:06 PM

25. Garrett Rolfe was charged with murder Rayshard Brooks.

Did they find him not guilty?

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Response to OneCrazyDiamond (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 02:48 PM

27. Hey I'm just using right wing/gun humper logic

This case was worse. In the Brooks case the taser was spent and Brooks was running.

In this case the perp was actively trying to disable the victim. The victim was in peril of grievous bodily harm or death

The perp had his weapon in a holster. How did the victim know it wasn’t a gun?

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 03:28 PM

28. Oh good

I was concerned they dropped the charges.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:32 AM

13. It's starting to sound like a full on civil war.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 11:43 AM

16. It does not look like that.

The goal of the Boogaloo Boys may be a full-on Civil War, but these shootings do not constitute a Civil War.

Civil UNREST, yes. This is what the National Guard exists to quell.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Aug 31, 2020, 12:12 PM

20. The Army of the Right finally found what they were looking for.

They know we are 99% non-violent, but every group has their maladjusted members and they finally found one that would play their game.

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