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LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:11 PM Sep 2020

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are 'Losers' and 'Suckers'

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Source: The Atlantic

When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

Belleau Wood is a consequential battle in American history, and the ground on which it was fought is venerated by the Marine Corps. America and its allies stopped the German advance toward Paris there in the spring of 1918. But Trump, on that same trip, asked aides, “Who were the good guys in this war?” He also said that he didn’t understand why the United States would intervene on the side of the Allies.

Trump’s understanding of concepts such as patriotism, service, and sacrifice have interested me since he expressed contempt for the war record of the late Senator John McCain, who spent more than five years as a prisoner of the North Vietnamese. “He’s not a war hero,” Trump said in 2015 while running for the Republican nomination for president. “I like people who weren’t captured.”

There was no precedent in American politics for the expression of this sort of contempt, but the performatively patriotic Trump did no damage to his candidacy by attacking McCain in this manner. Nor did he set his campaign back by attacking the parents of Humayun Khan, an Army captain who was killed in Iraq in 2004.

Trump remained fixated on McCain, one of the few prominent Republicans to continue criticizing him after he won the nomination. When McCain died, in August 2018, Trump told his senior staff, according to three sources with direct knowledge of this event, “We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral,” and he became furious, according to witnesses, when he saw flags lowered to half-staff. “What the fuck are we doing that for? Guy was a fucking loser,” the president told aides. Trump was not invited to McCain’s funeral. (These sources, and others quoted in this article, spoke on condition of anonymity. The White House did not return earlier calls for comment, but Alyssa Farah, a White House spokesperson, emailed me this statement shortly after this story was posted: “This report is false. President Trump holds the military in the highest regard. He’s demonstrated his commitment to them at every turn: delivering on his promise to give our troops a much needed pay raise, increasing military spending, signing critical veterans reforms, and supporting military spouses. This has no basis in fact.”)

Read more: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/



WOW, just WOW. He...MUST...GO!!!
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Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are 'Losers' and 'Suckers' (Original Post) LovingA2andMI Sep 2020 OP
Joe Biden should make this into a commercial. madaboutharry Sep 2020 #1
The Lincoln Project kinds has - soldierant Sep 2020 #36
This needs to be tacked to the door of every VFW in this country. Zoonart Sep 2020 #2
Yepper spot on................ turbinetree Sep 2020 #9
How could ANYONE say such a thing Blue Owl Sep 2020 #3
Trump is a pox on America. Unfortunately, we can never erase KPN Sep 2020 #4
It's true..... Yorkist Sep 2020 #39
Joe Biden, Lincoln Project, VoteVets. . . DinahMoeHum Sep 2020 #5
Fuck trump gopiscrap Sep 2020 #6
Would that someone had recordings and/or footage of his insults against the troops sandensea Sep 2020 #7
Our"Commander in Chief." Bah. Faygo Kid Sep 2020 #8
He WILL Go Drome Sep 2020 #10
Cadet Bonespurs says what?? I don't care Do U? Actually, he is a pathetic excuse for POTUS. Evolve Dammit Sep 2020 #11
There is only ONE LOSER in 2020.... AZ8theist Sep 2020 #12
Yay! BigOleDummy Sep 2020 #17
RANT ON/ By definition anyone who lies, cheats, steals to "win", are in fact LOSERS. not_the_one Sep 2020 #13
Trump is a lowlife. Beacool Sep 2020 #14
After all of the shit the Orange Asshole has done and said, I did not think he could shock me. TruckFump Sep 2020 #15
'From Belleau Wood, to John Kelly's fallen son, to calling John McCain a "fucking loser" to shunning riversedge Sep 2020 #16
POW/MIA Aerator Sep 2020 #18
Trump is disgusting! LiberalFighter Sep 2020 #19
What's so sick is his supporters will either not hear or care what he said kimbutgar Sep 2020 #20
very sick group of americans that support Trump mdbl Sep 2020 #23
Biden is ahead in military support nt IronLionZion Sep 2020 #28
The biggest piece of shit on the planet. OverBurn Sep 2020 #21
WOW, I mean, just WOW DeminPennswoods Sep 2020 #22
Where is the VFW? bluestarone Sep 2020 #24
Dementia. mac56 Sep 2020 #25
Trump proves again and again he's a POS. sakabatou Sep 2020 #26
Eventually, he's going to wear a uniform. And it will be orange. nt Xipe Totec Sep 2020 #27
He's a piece of excrement... paleotn Sep 2020 #29
Arrggg!!! Beyond disgraceful! electric_blue68 Sep 2020 #30
I think my blood is boiling right now. mommymarine2003 Sep 2020 #31
Spread this far and wide. dalton99a Sep 2020 #32
What a despicable piece of shit. SergeStorms Sep 2020 #33
I had a relative that fought in the battle of Chateau Thierry PatrickforO Sep 2020 #34
Drumpf doesn't care about our troops. BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 #35
Is this the stupidest thing Donald Trump has ever said???I don't know...what do you think? Stuart G Sep 2020 #37
Any member of the military who votes for Dementia Donnie after this area51 Sep 2020 #38
After discussion with hosts ... LOCKING applegrove Sep 2020 #40

madaboutharry

(40,284 posts)
1. Joe Biden should make this into a commercial.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:12 PM
Sep 2020

And The Lincoln Project.

soldierant

(7,153 posts)
36. The Lincoln Project kinds has -
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 09:55 PM
Sep 2020

They address the POW part strongly, the death toll not so much. But they may.

Zoonart

(12,037 posts)
2. This needs to be tacked to the door of every VFW in this country.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:13 PM
Sep 2020

You know what to do.

turbinetree

(24,790 posts)
9. Yepper spot on................
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:29 PM
Sep 2020

Blue Owl

(51,169 posts)
3. How could ANYONE say such a thing
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:16 PM
Sep 2020

Let alone the so-called "president" of this country....

KPN

(15,722 posts)
4. Trump is a pox on America. Unfortunately, we can never erase
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:16 PM
Sep 2020

this period — a real low point in US history/Americana.

Yorkist

(59 posts)
39. It's true.....
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:02 PM
Sep 2020

....that you can’t erase this era.

But you can end it.

The country has the option of categorically ending it with a landslide if it chooses. And not because of party allegiance or political persuasion, but just because the Presidency, if it’s going to be worth a dime, is too important to be entrusted to a thick as mince chancer you wouldn’t trust to tell you the time.

The concerning - and almost unbelievable - bit is that, viewed from afar at least, this election isn’t in the bag already.

After all that’s gone before it’s shocking really, the complete debasement of things to reality show levels and worse, and the apparent willingness of so many people to accept it.

How on earth is it possible not to be streets ahead in this ?

DinahMoeHum

(21,916 posts)
5. Joe Biden, Lincoln Project, VoteVets. . .
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:21 PM
Sep 2020

. . .you just got more "marching orders". . .so to speak.

gopiscrap

(23,821 posts)
6. Fuck trump
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:24 PM
Sep 2020

I grew up as a fatherless child because my dad was killed in the Vietnam War

sandensea

(22,065 posts)
7. Would that someone had recordings and/or footage of his insults against the troops
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:24 PM
Sep 2020

Because short of something like that emerging, even this is unlikely to move the needle much (a little, yes).

The sad fact is, that 60+ years of non-stop propaganda have brainwashed many voters into the notion that Repugs are the more "patriotic" party by default.

Cheeto knew this full well when he tore into McCain in 2016.

Faygo Kid

(21,482 posts)
8. Our"Commander in Chief." Bah.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:28 PM
Sep 2020

Won't matter to his cult. Hoping this gets widespread publicity.

 

Drome

(50 posts)
10. He WILL Go
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:30 PM
Sep 2020

Evolve Dammit

(17,077 posts)
11. Cadet Bonespurs says what?? I don't care Do U? Actually, he is a pathetic excuse for POTUS.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:34 PM
Sep 2020

AZ8theist

(5,670 posts)
12. There is only ONE LOSER in 2020....
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:35 PM
Sep 2020

Can't WAIT to see your TRAITOROUS FAT ASS IN PRISON, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!!



BigOleDummy

(2,274 posts)
17. Yay!
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:18 PM
Sep 2020

Love those memes

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
13. RANT ON/ By definition anyone who lies, cheats, steals to "win", are in fact LOSERS.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:45 PM
Sep 2020

Because they (the turd dynasty) can't win fairly, they had to cheat workers, contractors, so he could park his name on buildings, which he rarely owns, yet calls as his. Presto, The Empire of the turd. That FAKE real estate empire is the foundation of everything turd.

They (the entire turd KLAN) have never actually WON anything. HE lost a ton of daddy's money, and could only project the appearance of wealth by having others bankroll him. American money eventually learned he was a loser, so he had to go elsewhere.

It didn't matter that it was to America's most nefarious enemy, where Putin found him to be such a useful idiot. Once Putin became Sugar Daddy to the turd, Sugar Daddy expanded the operation to pull in all the turd's dingleberries, aka the republican party and FOX (Rupert Murdoch). The Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, Warren Stephens, Geoff Palmer and Steve Wynn were also eager to bankroll anyone in THEIR way to less taxes and "conservative" judicial appointments.

It was a match made in heaven. They already had the "you'll only take my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands" crowd. They were also counting on the evangelical/fundamentalist, and "so-called christian crowd" to succumb to a pretzel logic of being AGAINST all of the teachings of Jesus Christ and FOR the basic foundations of fascism, racism, otherism, and a greed that knew no limits. They needed the preachers, pastors, ministers to preach the gospel of the turd from the pulpit. They were, and still are, somewhat successful. Those few believers in Christ who are finally feeling uncomfortable, are making barely audible grumbling noises. Much too little and much too late. I'll defer to God to sort them out.

When the full truth comes out history will show that the Trump name represents the most EPIC of LOSERS in all of modern history.

And he knows that, which he why he is so desperate to control the narrative.

He only gets away with it due to media complicity, because THEY want a horse race, which causes the public to think the race is close, which allows Putin's electronic hacking, and the suppression of mail in votes, to allow the steal.

Our task is to turn out in such huge numbers that the steal can't happen.

We must turn out, but the democratic party leadership must ensure that if WE get to the polls, in person or by mail, our votes MUST be counted.

They must immediately legislate, nation wide (state by state if necessary), that if a vote is submitted on or before election day it will be postmarked as such, AND WILL BE COUNTED.

And if a vote HAS BEEN SUBMITTED WITHIN THE ALLOWED TIME FRAME, it will be counted, even if it takes weeks to ascertain that final vote.

PUSH has now come to SHOVE. We will do our part, the party apparatus must do theirs.

/RANT OFF

Beacool

(30,258 posts)
14. Trump is a lowlife.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:53 PM
Sep 2020

I may not have agreed with McCain's politics, but he served with honor and was tortured for five years while in captivity. Any POW deserves respect and thanks for serving the country. Trump is not even a third of the man that McCain was. He'll always be a POS with zero core values. May he rot in hell when his time finally comes.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
15. After all of the shit the Orange Asshole has done and said, I did not think he could shock me.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 07:59 PM
Sep 2020

I was wrong.

To down fallen heroes who gave their lives for this nation? Word escape me....

riversedge

(70,957 posts)
16. 'From Belleau Wood, to John Kelly's fallen son, to calling John McCain a "fucking loser" to shunning
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:03 PM
Sep 2020

I hope the military folks at least read this article.

Just wow
Face without mouth


Everything from @JeffreyGoldberg
's piece is astonishing.

YET, ARE ANY OF US SURPRISED??

From Belleau Wood, to John Kelly's fallen son, to calling John McCain a "fucking loser" to shunning war Amputees.

Trump doesn't deserve to be CiC.

By Jan 20th, he'll know why.



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Aerator

(189 posts)
18. POW/MIA
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:28 PM
Sep 2020

You notice you don’t see many POW/MIA flags anymore ...They have turned into a cult and have replaced them with Trump flags.You used to see a lot of them at Sturgis but they just disappeared.

LiberalFighter

(52,119 posts)
19. Trump is disgusting!
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:33 PM
Sep 2020

If he had been drafted he would had high tailed it to the rear in combat.

kimbutgar

(21,492 posts)
20. What's so sick is his supporters will either not hear or care what he said
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:35 PM
Sep 2020

Even though they have themselves lost family and friends to wasr. They are so brainwashed they don’t care about stuff they would have prior to 2015.

mdbl

(4,978 posts)
23. very sick group of americans that support Trump
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:44 PM
Sep 2020

they really need to examine themselves. They have absolutely nothing to be proud of.

IronLionZion

(45,885 posts)
28. Biden is ahead in military support nt
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 09:03 PM
Sep 2020

OverBurn

(999 posts)
21. The biggest piece of shit on the planet.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:42 PM
Sep 2020

DeminPennswoods

(15,350 posts)
22. WOW, I mean, just WOW
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:43 PM
Sep 2020

I hope every son, daughter, grandchild, niece, nephew and every other relative of WWII vet hears this.

bluestarone

(17,360 posts)
24. Where is the VFW?
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:50 PM
Sep 2020

They should be on EVERY news station EVERY fucking day!!!

mac56

(17,579 posts)
25. Dementia.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:52 PM
Sep 2020

Sorry, but it has to be said.

sakabatou

(42,330 posts)
26. Trump proves again and again he's a POS.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:53 PM
Sep 2020

Xipe Totec

(43,929 posts)
27. Eventually, he's going to wear a uniform. And it will be orange. nt
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 08:53 PM
Sep 2020

paleotn

(18,150 posts)
29. He's a piece of excrement...
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 09:12 PM
Sep 2020

So are ALL of his followers. What can you say? The pieces of shit deserve each other.

electric_blue68

(15,384 posts)
30. Arrggg!!! Beyond disgraceful!
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 09:38 PM
Sep 2020

So I guess the soldiers who were killed by Putin's minons were losers, too!!!!!??? Huh, drumphy!??!!!

mommymarine2003

(261 posts)
31. I think my blood is boiling right now.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 09:44 PM
Sep 2020

As you can see with my DU name, I joined this group when my Marine son was in Iraq. He crossed over from Kuwait into Iraq on the first day of the war and then was deployed again to Ramadi, after he had only been home less than 5 months. He was with the 1st Marine Division out of Camp Pendleton. He came back as a disabled vet, and it took almost 10 years to get his life back on track. I got to learn all about the VA hospitals in the Seattle/Tacoma area and then the Portland/Vancouver area.

I was born at Camp Pendleton. My father was a career Marine. He was a fighter pilot in the South Pacific in WWII. When I was an infant, he moved my mother, older sister and I back to Spokane, WA in case he was killed in the Korean War. Then in 1966, we returned again to Spokane in case he was killed while in Vietnam. My father served because he loved this country. He had a law degree from Gonzaga but gave that lucrative career up to serve. He spent most of his career as an intelligence officer. I was so proud of him and my son, too. I don't know how my mother handled my father being gone so much and in such frightening places. I will never forget when my husband and I went to Camp Pendleton to send our son off to his second deployment. He has the most beautiful blue eyes and as he got on the bus, he turned to me and mouthed, "I love you mom". It brings tears to my eyes even now.

I hope and pray this awful man, who should never have been president, is removed from office. What a nightmare we are in.

dalton99a

(82,121 posts)
32. Spread this far and wide.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 09:51 PM
Sep 2020








SergeStorms

(19,217 posts)
33. What a despicable piece of shit.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 09:53 PM
Sep 2020

You know what? It doesn't surprise me in the least. Donald Trump has never shown a decent human emotion. The only human emotions he knows are greed, jealously, lust and anger. Why can't some people see him for what he truly is? He's less than human. Even wild animals show more compassion for each other than Donald Trump does for other humans.

I'm at the point where I just shake my head and mutter incomprehensibly.

PatrickforO

(14,642 posts)
34. I had a relative that fought in the battle of Chateau Thierry
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 09:54 PM
Sep 2020

It was one of the bloodiest of the war - he was Army. The guys that fought at Belleau Wood were Marines.

And they bled. They aren't losers.

BlueWavePsych

(2,653 posts)
35. Drumpf doesn't care about our troops.
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 09:54 PM
Sep 2020

Stuart G

(38,527 posts)
37. Is this the stupidest thing Donald Trump has ever said???I don't know...what do you think?
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 09:56 PM
Sep 2020

area51

(11,977 posts)
38. Any member of the military who votes for Dementia Donnie after this
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:00 PM
Sep 2020

has to be insane.

applegrove

(119,536 posts)
40. After discussion with hosts ... LOCKING
Thu Sep 3, 2020, 10:04 PM
Sep 2020

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