Most people likely won't get a coronavirus vaccine until the middle of 2021

[TomCADem]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Omaha Steve (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: CNBC

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is currently asking states to expedite the approval process for medical supply company McKesson so it can set up coronavirus vaccination sites across the U.S. by Nov. 1. The agency said states may need to waive some licensing and permit requirements that could bog down the process.

Still, a vaccine ready for public distribution in November is “extremely unlikely,” Dr. Moncef Slaoui, who is leading the Trump administration’s Operation War Speed initiative, said in an interview with NPR that published Thursday evening.

“There is a very, very low chance that the trials that are running as we speak” could be ready before the end of October, he told NPR. “And therefore, there could be — if all other conditions required for an Emergency Use Authorization are met — an approval. I think it’s extremely unlikely but not impossible.”

He said he “firmly” believes a vaccine will be available before the end of the year and “in quantities that can immunize patients at the highest risk, which means very old people, 70 years and older, and maybe people that are highly exposed on the first line.” Dr. Scott Gottlieb, the former FDA Commissioner, said broad distribution of a coronavirus vaccine in the U.S. is likely “a 2021 event.”



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This just another example of Trump's harmful misinformation. Trump is setting up unrealistic expectations about some silver bullet vaccine in November. My guess is that Trump will pull a Putin and announce the approval of a vaccine, any vaccine, in October. Of course, as is the case with Russian vaccine, it will still be very preliminary.

Nonetheless, thanks to Trump's carnival barking, Americans will start relaxing social distancing and demanding a quick reopening even though the vaccine is not ready for wide distribution even if it actually worked. Thus, thousands of people will again die due to Trump's focus on his re-election.

[beachbumbob]

1. 60% of america will NEVER trust a trump vaccine and the 40% that are left dismiss COVID and many

are anti-vaxers

so trump spends billions on a vaccine that will sit unused as his supporters aren't going to take it either

[TomCADem]

2. Even if They Did, Best Case Scenario Is That ...

... it does not have wide distribution until the middle 2021.

This is why Trump's statements are so harmful. Like Putin, he is selling the idea of a vaccine being available in November like its a magic bullet. The fact is that it does not matter if a vaccine is discovered in November. What matters is when an effective vaccine is widely distributed, which will not be until 2021.

Yet, thanks to Trump, watch folks demand that social distancing measures be immediately relaxed long before a vaccine is widely available.

[DBoon]

9. "Tea time's over. Everyone back to work"

"We've found a vaccine. While we are manufacturing and distributing it, we expect everyone to go back to work and school as though the pandemic is over. Any resulting deaths are fake news."

[DrToast]

3. Please stop calling it a Trump vaccine

You’re basically spreading Russian propaganda.

[beachbumbob]

7. ok, trump russian vaccine?

[TomCADem]

23. Don Trump The Science-ish Guy Explains Hydroxychloroquine

Are you saying that you do not have any reservations if Trump suddenly announces approval of a vaccine in October?

I am not saying that vaccines are bad. I think most people are worried about the credibility of medical information that is released just prior to an election.

[cyclonefence]

4. I no longer trust the FDA's assurances about vaccines for COVID 19

and I'm not going to get one until Dr. Fauci says I should. Period.

[DBoon]

11. I'm waiting until another country with a reputable health service approves it

Maybe France, Germany, Japan, Australia, Canada, etc.

Not Brazil.

Not the UK.

Not Russia.

[PSPS]

14. The European Medicines Agency (EMA) may be more trustworthy

[pnwmom]

5. "very old people, 70 years and older."

I know lots of Medicare age people who would be offended at that description.

[The Mouth]

6. Where the hell is the 'can do' attitude we used to have?

Is this really the same country that could build a liberty ship in 24 hours?

Trump or no Trump, you damned pessimists and nay-sayers are nearly as harmful as the virus. The only limitations are our resources and will.

[TomCADem]

8. Hope is Not a Strategy. Are You Supporting a Putin Like Approach of Announcing an Approval?

Despite Russia's approval of a vaccine, they are still testing it...in Mexico.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-mexico-russia/mexico-eyes-october-start-for-phase-3-trials-of-russian-coronavirus-vaccine-minister-idUSKBN25U2ZI

We should be careful, particularly now where we see vaccine being tested by dumping them in third world countries to disastrous results:

https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/12/15/17/aquino-garin-face-complaints-over-dengvaxia-mess

MANILA - Former Technical Education and Skills Development Authority Director General Augusto Syjuco on Friday filed mass murder and plunder complaints against former President Benigno Aquino III and former Health Secretary Janette Garin for approving a P3.4 billion dengue vaccination program.

Syjuco blamed the two former officials for the Dengvaxia mess based on a compilation of news articles.

* * *
While he is complaining of mass murder, Syjuco cited the death of a boy in Bataan last year who was vaccinated but supposedly died due to a congenital disease.

"There is only one death so far but one death is one death too many," he said.

[The Mouth]

15. I'm supporting saying *YES* we can fucking do this

we can do it fast, and we should get it done. I'll test the first fucking vial off the line. NOTHING needs to take this long.

[TomCADem]

19. The tainted polio vaccine that sickened and fatally paralyzed children in 1955

There are dangers with rushing a vaccine particularly when Trump is setting an arbitrary deadline. This is not just ancient history. Just five years ago, Philippines rushed out a vaccine for dengue fever that turned out to cause dengue.

Adequate testing is vital for a vaccine program to work. If it looks like a vaccine is rushed, and if its efficacy is oversold, then you are going to doom the program.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/04/14/cutter-polio-vaccine-paralyzed-children-coronavirus/

On Aug. 30, 1954, Bernice E. Eddy, a veteran scientist at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md., was checking a batch of a new polio vaccine for safety.

Created by Jonas Salk, the vaccine was hailed as the miracle drug that would conquer the dreaded illness that killed and paralyzed children. Eddy’s job was to examine samples submitted by the companies planning to make it.

As she checked a sample from Cutter Laboratories in Berkeley, Calif., she noticed that the vaccine designed to protect against the disease had instead given polio to a test monkey. Rather than containing killed virus to create immunity, the sample from Cutter contained live, infectious virus. Something was wrong. “There’s going to be a disaster,” she told a friend.

As scientists and politicians desperately search for medicines to slow the deadly coronavirus, and as President Trump touts a malaria drug as a remedy, a look back to the 1955 polio vaccine tragedy shows how hazardous such a search can be, especially under intense public pressure.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

10. Liberty ship in 24 hours?

You must be thinking of a day when we had great smoke-belching steel mills, huge shipyards swarming with skilled workers.

Today, we'd have to outsource the job, maybe to China. No way we could sustain a WW2 level of production without importing material.



I'm not sure we could ramp up basic production today, with the environmental impact that such industry imposes. I'm sure we don't really want to, but if we had to ...

[The Mouth]

13. Shit, we'd have people decrying the moon shot nowdays

bitching about everything from the pollution, to how the money should be spent on the poor, to whining about feeding the MIC.

[The Mouth]

18. and yes, I'll take smoke belching steel mills over the "we have to be careful"

crowd any day. Big massive factories employing tens of millions in our heartland again.

We need to get back to that attitude that won WW2 and put us on the moon, and utterly ostracize people who whine about why we can't, or shouldn't do *anything* we set our minds to, be it curing cancer or colonizing Mars.

[DrToast]

16. The anti-science attitudes on this board is scary

Makes me wonder if we’ll ever be done with this pandemic.

[TomCADem]

20. How Scientists Are Trying to Develop a Coronavirus Vaccine

Unfortunately, the credibility of the Trump administration is shot after pimping hydrochloriquil and plasma.

[PSPS]

22. We won't be "done" with this pandemic until well after trump is gone.

[TomCADem]

25. Adequate Testing of a Vaccine is a Vital Part of Science

We have already seen many instances of Trump pushing untested quack cures. The concern with a vaccine is that Trump is indicating an October/November announcement that is not based on science, but political expediency.

[PSPS]

21. "The only limitations are our resources and will"

No, sorry. The only limitations here are the hollowing out our federal regulatory processes and agencies, and their being replaced with imitation versions run by ring-kissers as part of trump's political reelection campaign. Feel free to sacrifice your life on the altar of trump. Most people know better.

[genxlib]

30. I actually agree with you

I think there is actually a good chance that a vaccine could be ready to begin distribution by the end of the year.

This unprecedented time has caused an explosion of funding and research at a time that our medical fields are expanding into some really exciting possibilities.

I think it is well within reason that we could do something that has never been done before under those circumstances.

HOWEVER, there are a couple of problems.

1) There are limitations to the assurance of safety when something like this is accelerated. We might be fairly certain it is safe but we won't know for sure until a few years go by. That is the inherent risk in compressing the time frame. The question would be balancing that potential unknown risk against the risk of the disease we are trying to fight. I think this problem might be compounded by a vaccine that uses new technology mores so than one that uses an old tried and true approach.

2) Relative to number one, there is no credibility of the Government and its institutions to make that determination. And if it is made, we will have no way of knowing whether it is real or not.

Even if a perfect vaccine is developed and distributed in the next six months, I don't give Trump any credit. It is the most basic, obvious answer to throw money at a vaccine so there is no genius in it. In fact, the arrival of a vaccine would make the last six months worse in my mine. Poor leadership means we killed a lot of people because we couldn't hunker down and be patient for it to arrive.

[PSPS]

12. Most see this as a "political vaccine," not a scientific/effective one.

[TomCADem]

17. Philippines: Ex-DOH chief ready to face probe over Dengvaxia mess

In Philippines, a vaccine was rushed and given to nearly 1,000,000 before they discovered it may actually cause dengue.

https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/12/05/17/ex-doh-chief-ready-to-face-probe-over-dengvaxia-mess

Garin said the multibillion-peso Dengvaxia vaccination program started before her tenure at the DOH.

"We fully cooperated and consulted with WHO prior to the implementation of this program. With the desire to resolve this deadly virus, the department started the vaccination program which has until now been seen to be strongly beneficial to 9 out of 10 Filipinos," she said.

Garin was undersecretary for the DOH Women, Children and Family Health Cluster before she was appointed by President Benigno Aquino III to lead the health agency in December 2015. She also served as representative of Iloilo's first district from 2004 to 2013.

Investigation is underway into the FDA-approved anti-dengue vaccine following last week's revelation from its manufacturer Sanofi Pasteur that the drug poses risk to people who had not been previously infected with dengue.

[LisaL]

24. We don't even know at this point if any vaccine is going to be actually

safe and effective.
There has never been a successful vaccine against a corona virus.

[TomCADem]

26. Well, that is because this is a novel virus...

...it is kind of tough to have a vaccine on hand for a virus that did not even exist until 2019.

[intrepidity]

27. I think the point was, that this "class" of virus may be inherently difficult to vaccinate against

There are plenty of other coronaviruses around, against which vaccines have been attempted.

Yes, this one is new, but the fact that it belongs in a class with other viruses, means it shares certain similarities.

That seems to have been the point of the post above.

[LisaL]

29. SARS-Cov- 2 is a novel virus that belongs to a family of corona viruses.

There are plenty of other corona viruses. There are no vaccines against any of them.

[roman88]

28. Im not taking a damn thing

Until it is proven to be safe and effective. Mid or late 2021 sounds like a more viable date than this October

[FakeNoose]

31. Chump is fine with all of us as the guinea pigs

No thanks, I can wait for a real vaccine.

[roamer65]

32. TRUMP VIRUS.

🦠

[Omaha Steve]

33. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING

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