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Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:35 PM Sep 2020

Key GOP senator says she opposes taking up a Supreme Court nomination before Election Day

Source: CNN

Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski said Sunday that she opposes taking up a Supreme Court nomination prior to Election Day, becoming the second GOP senator this weekend to voice opposition to Senate movement on the matter before the 2020 election.

"For weeks, I have stated that I would not support taking up a potential Supreme Court vacancy this close to the election. Sadly, what was then a hypothetical is now our reality, but my position has not changed," the Alaska Republican said in a statement.

"I did not support taking up a nomination eight months before the 2016 election to fill the vacancy created by the passing of Justice Scalia. We are now even closer to the 2020 election -- less than two months out -- and I believe the same standard must apply."

Murkowski did not address whether she will oppose President Donald Trump's nominee in a lame-duck session if Joe Biden wins the presidency.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/20/politics/lisa-murkowski-supreme-court-election-day/index.html

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Key GOP senator says she opposes taking up a Supreme Court nomination before Election Day (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Sep 2020 OP
Yeah ignoring the lame duck session is really giving off weasel vibes. Statistical Sep 2020 #1
If they do it during the lame duck session... Salviati Sep 2020 #12
I Really Think The GOP COL Mustard Sep 2020 #13
Yeah, I think the smart play would have been to choose the "honorable" route... Salviati Sep 2020 #30
Unfortunately After The Election COL Mustard Sep 2020 #33
They should Salviati Sep 2020 #34
I think the response to this, assuming they push somebody through jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #27
They can and will still ram it through between election day and inauguration day. PSPS Sep 2020 #2
But you voted for Gorsuch did you not..............your still a hypocrite....... turbinetree Sep 2020 #3
Murkowski is a true republican, because she's a hypocrite through and through. BComplex Sep 2020 #18
Exactly.................... turbinetree Sep 2020 #19
They do not care about being hypocrites. Salviati Sep 2020 #31
But the day after, no problem njhoneybadger Sep 2020 #4
Imma gonna make a prediction here yuiyoshida Sep 2020 #5
Judge Jeanine is almost as good a speaker as Kimberley Guilfoyle! BKDem Sep 2020 #8
Uh, Lisa? BKDem Sep 2020 #6
Exactly, it's about her reelection. groundloop Sep 2020 #20
She's not up for re-election this year moose65 Sep 2020 #28
So if they wouldn't process Merrick Garland in a "lame duck" session 10 months out... forgotmylogin Sep 2020 #7
Murkowski and Collins can continue to say this - but it has no effect FBaggins Sep 2020 #9
exactly right. stopdiggin Sep 2020 #21
Need 4 GOP senators with a shred of integrity, not likely beachbumbob Sep 2020 #10
If this blocks Trump and McConnell from getting somebody on the court prior to the election .... Botany Sep 2020 #11
Damn straight they'll cram one down our throats.... voters don't have a long enough memory groundloop Sep 2020 #22
there is unlikely to be a vote before election AlexSFCA Sep 2020 #14
Aw, that's sweet! bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #15
Hate say it...Weasel Words. Tommymac Sep 2020 #16
I wonder if Collins loses reelection, how will she vote in lame duck session? AlexSFCA Sep 2020 #17
What do you think about her integrity? FBaggins Sep 2020 #23
Kick Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2020 #24
She 'opposes' it... SeattleVet Sep 2020 #25
totally all republicans are weasels Flash953 Sep 2020 #32
A nothingburger statement. keithbvadu2 Sep 2020 #26
Bet every Republican that says this will vote yes to do it even if they lose cstanleytech Sep 2020 #29

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
1. Yeah ignoring the lame duck session is really giving off weasel vibes.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:37 PM
Sep 2020

"Murkowski did not address whether she will oppose President Donald Trump's nominee in a lame-duck session if Joe Biden wins the presidency."

It would be simple to just say this shouldn't happen before inauguration day. Any politician knows that is the critical date and if they keep talking about election day well that is suspicious as hell.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
12. If they do it during the lame duck session...
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:03 PM
Sep 2020

... as a president and a senate that have been voted out by the American people, then that just gives more weight to expanding the court.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
13. I Really Think The GOP
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:15 PM
Sep 2020

Will mess this up as only they can. If the American people see this for what it is, a naked power grab, and see the hypocrisy, it'll hurt Trump and the rest of the GOP.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
30. Yeah, I think the smart play would have been to choose the "honorable" route...
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 05:45 PM
Sep 2020

To hold off the appointment until the next term, that way they could have used it to rally their base too. But the only way that gambit works, is if you announced it right from the start. To go back on their plan now, makes them look dumb and feckless to their base, to ram it through before or during the lame duck session looks like a power grab or a subversion of the will of the American people. Filling the vacancy before the election takes away it's rallying power for the base, and after the election the optics are terrible. In either case, support to expand the court is just going to grow, more so in the latter case.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
33. Unfortunately After The Election
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 06:45 PM
Sep 2020

Lame Ducks Trump and McConnell won't care about the optics.

(I hope they're both lame ducks, anyway......)

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
34. They should
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 07:37 PM
Sep 2020

Because looking like they're subverting the will of the American people is going to drive up support for expanding the court, snatching away the prize that they thought they had won. Plus, I think that it's going to be a needed wake up call to some Democrats that all elected republicans are ghoulish bastards, not to be trusted.

jorgevlorgan

(8,287 posts)
27. I think the response to this, assuming they push somebody through
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 03:03 PM
Sep 2020

In the lame duck, would be to continuously start impeachment proceedings until inauguration day. This would force the Senate to take up impeachment and not install a justice, preventing Trump from appointing a justice who will hand him the presidency. And then of course, we stack the courts.

BComplex

(8,036 posts)
18. Murkowski is a true republican, because she's a hypocrite through and through.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:23 PM
Sep 2020

Same thing happened with impeachment. She'll go along with whatever the republicans tell her to go along with.

There are no republican spines.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
19. Exactly....................
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:45 PM
Sep 2020

All they want to do is dismantle the Constitution, then run around waving there treasonous flag with ther concern or he will elarn his lesson................

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
31. They do not care about being hypocrites.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 05:46 PM
Sep 2020

There might be some voters out there that care, but the politicians of the republican party do not.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
5. Imma gonna make a prediction here
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:44 PM
Sep 2020

I am thinking Judge Jeanine Pirro will be Trump's pick. Could you imagine the shit show that would go on in the Supreme Court? Trump will destroy it!

BKDem

(1,733 posts)
8. Judge Jeanine is almost as good a speaker as Kimberley Guilfoyle!
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:51 PM
Sep 2020

But I'm not sure she'd take it unless they start televising the court sessions.

Also, how much does it pay? I don't think she's got any money coming in from her ex-husband, the felon.

BKDem

(1,733 posts)
6. Uh, Lisa?
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:45 PM
Sep 2020

If you're not willing to vote for Trump's pick before the election, shouldn't you vote *against* his choice if he loses?

Or is this really just about YOUR election?

Just another Republican hypocrite.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
20. Exactly, it's about her reelection.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:58 PM
Sep 2020

She's doing double-speak so she can bamboozle her voters. She'll be more than happy to vote for tRumps illicit nominee in November.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
28. She's not up for re-election this year
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 04:44 PM
Sep 2020

Her last election was in 2016.

The funny thing about Murkowski is that most Republicans in Alaska can’t stand her. She lost the Republican primary in 2010, only to win re-election as a write-in candidate. Independents and Democrats are her voters. If she switched parties to unaffiliated, I don’t think she’d lose any support she already has.

forgotmylogin

(7,527 posts)
7. So if they wouldn't process Merrick Garland in a "lame duck" session 10 months out...
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:46 PM
Sep 2020

and Trump loses, wouldn't he even be a lamer duck with no right to choose a SCJ?

I know, rules for them are different and this doesn't matter.

I'm hoping this implies that Murkowski doesn't think a SCJ should be nominated by any outgoing president, but I don't trust anyone.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
9. Murkowski and Collins can continue to say this - but it has no effect
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 12:53 PM
Sep 2020

Neither sits on the Senate Judiciary Committee and there is no senate-wide vote on a nomination built into the process until after the hearings. McConnell/Graham have all the power they need to start action on the nomination. (Unless, I suppose, two red senators on the committee oppose)

So even 4+ republican senators saying "we should wait for the new president to nominate someone" wouldn't necessarily keep a nominee from getting to the floor for a vote. It then becomes a question of whether "I disagree with this process" is enough to say "so I will vote down a nominee that comes to a vote"... which is a different thing altogether.

stopdiggin

(11,295 posts)
21. exactly right.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:59 PM
Sep 2020

I know people are (understandable) anxious about this, but ...
A lot of this breathless anticipation of, "this person said this .." -- means absolutely f*ck-all.

The only real thing transpiring here -- is putting across a sure and certain message that there WILL be a price to pay.

Botany

(70,489 posts)
11. If this blocks Trump and McConnell from getting somebody on the court prior to the election ....
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:02 PM
Sep 2020

.... this is @ least a small win and I'll take it but "Murkowski did not address whether she will oppose President Donald Trump's nominee in a lame-duck session if Joe Biden wins the presidency."

When Trump gets crushed in the general election we will see how many of the Republican Senators have
the stomach to ram through somebody but they did put a sexual predator in Kavanaugh on the court
and let Trump off the hook by voting to protect him in the senate after the House impeached him even
though many of them from the senate intel committee knew he was guilty as hell of working with the
Russian in 2016.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
22. Damn straight they'll cram one down our throats.... voters don't have a long enough memory
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 02:00 PM
Sep 2020

They now damned good and well that by the time they're up for reelection that voters won't remember nor care what they did.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
14. there is unlikely to be a vote before election
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:17 PM
Sep 2020

they’ll start the process before election but the vote would likely be after. It’s pretty much certain trump will nominate Amy Barrett. Since Kamala is on judiciary committee, I don’t think gop want to give too much free air time to her prior to election. There won’t be basis for expanding the court if they confirm the justice after the election. Imagine, if it would be the opposite, and dems are in charge, you would be screaming to confirm the justice asap.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
15. Aw, that's sweet!
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:17 PM
Sep 2020

How nice it would be if you had any actual commitment to this country's principles and your oath to the Constitution.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
16. Hate say it...Weasel Words.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 01:19 PM
Sep 2020

Not a goddamn one of THEM will utter a peep if the Killer Clown and his turtle pet puts this to a vote either before or after the election.

Take that to the bank.

Fuckers.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
23. What do you think about her integrity?
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 02:10 PM
Sep 2020

Such high-character individuals sometimes occur in fiction (one of my favorites below).

But do you believe she is one such?

keithbvadu2

(36,770 posts)
26. A nothingburger statement.
Sun Sep 20, 2020, 02:54 PM
Sep 2020

A nothingburger statement. Another article said the White House already acknowledges they can't get a vote before election day.

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