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reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 09:29 PM Sep 2020

Hospital where activists say ICE detainees were subjected to hysterectomies says just two were perfo

Source: Washington Post

A hospital in rural Georgia where a physician has been accused of performing a large number of hysterectomies on immigrant detainees said its records show that just two women in immigration custody have been referred to the hospital for the procedure since 2017.....

Heath Clark, an attorney for ERH Healthcare, which operates the Irwin County Hospital.... said hospital records show that Wooten’s claims are “demonstrably false.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/ice-detainee-hysterectomies-hospital/2020/09/22/aaf2ca7e-fcfd-11ea-830c-a160b331ca62_story.html

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Hospital where activists say ICE detainees were subjected to hysterectomies says just two were perfo (Original Post) reACTIONary Sep 2020 OP
and Why do I suspect falsified records? Tribalceltic Sep 2020 #1
+1 2naSalit Sep 2020 #2
Yep. rpannier Sep 2020 #8
No shit. They don't want to be the hospital that enabled eugenics Arazi Sep 2020 #16
Even if two, that's two unnecessary hysterectomies too many. One is too many lettucebe Sep 2020 #3
Yes, two is to many. They've ruined those women's health for the rest of their lives. Merlot Sep 2020 #4
+100 abqtommy Sep 2020 #5
Why do you think they were unnecessary? reACTIONary Sep 2020 #12
Anything over 0 is more than enough. Initech Sep 2020 #6
We do not know the circumstances .... reACTIONary Sep 2020 #11
You seem bent on giving the hospital the benefit of the doubt Retrograde Sep 2020 #14
No harm in investigating.... reACTIONary Sep 2020 #15
Just two, huh? rpannier Sep 2020 #7
You do not know the circumstances .... reACTIONary Sep 2020 #9
Criminals don't keep records of their crimes. /nt radius777 Sep 2020 #10
If a medical procedure of this sort is performed ... reACTIONary Sep 2020 #13

lettucebe

(2,336 posts)
3. Even if two, that's two unnecessary hysterectomies too many. One is too many
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 10:47 PM
Sep 2020

They cannot be allowed to let this die because supposedly the number is lower. This practice is criminal; the doctor is pretty sketchy and private companies running these facilities for profit is morally wrong.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
4. Yes, two is to many. They've ruined those women's health for the rest of their lives.
Tue Sep 22, 2020, 11:05 PM
Sep 2020

What people don't talk about is how it will make a young woman's life so much harder. Going through menopause in your twenties and not having hormones in your body like you normally would makes you susceptible to a whole host of problems, including osteoporosis.

They've ruined those women's health.

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
12. Why do you think they were unnecessary?
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 06:19 AM
Sep 2020

That hasn't been established as of yet. We don't know the circumstances under which they were performed.

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
11. We do not know the circumstances ....
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 06:16 AM
Sep 2020

... under which these procedures were performed. Hysterectomies are valid medical procedures - they are performed all the time.

Retrograde

(10,128 posts)
14. You seem bent on giving the hospital the benefit of the doubt
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 11:16 AM
Sep 2020

You are right in one aspect - we don't know the complete details. Many of the procedures the women complained about may be other invasive procedures, such a tubal ligations rather than full-up hysterectomies.

There are valid medical reasons for performing a hysterectomy: I've had one, and I know several women who also did. It's not a simple procedure, even though it can be done as outpatient surgery these days. A conscientious medical facility would make sure the women know exactly what's going on, and what their alternatives are, rather than just dive in and chop. I think there is still something that needs investigating.

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
15. No harm in investigating....
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 12:53 PM
Sep 2020

... but done in a way that avoids overheated, presumptuous rhetoric that exposes the innocent to harmful character assassination and risks the loss of our credibility. (As exemplified here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14120179)

I don't know if you read the article, but given the reporting, in my opinion the benefit of the doubt is properly given to the doctor and the hospital.

This has the tenor of a "moral panic" to me.

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
7. Just two, huh?
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 02:15 AM
Sep 2020

Kind of like saying, "The prosecution is accusing me of raping seven children, but I only raped two."
It's not a positive once you've gone beyond the number zero

reACTIONary

(5,768 posts)
13. If a medical procedure of this sort is performed ...
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 06:24 AM
Sep 2020

... in a medical facility such as a hospital, records are kept.

Providing hysterectomies is not a crime. We don't yet know enough about the circumstances to come to that conclusion.

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