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Judi Lynn

(160,452 posts)
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 12:32 PM Sep 2020

House Democrats Introduce Bill to Outlaw Presidential Self-Pardons, Criminalize Corrupt Acts of Clem

Source: Law and Crime


MATT NAHAM
Sep 23rd, 2020, 12:18 pm

House Democrats are pushing a bill which would criminalize corrupt pardons, outlaw presidential pardons, and prevent the president or vice president from using public office to run out the clock on the statute of limitations.

The bill, titled the Protecting Our Democracy Act, aims to criminalize the presidential pardon power when it is used for corrupt purposes by adding relevant language to the federal bribery statute. 18 U.S. Code § 201, which deals with bribery of public officials and witnesses, would amend the statute to add the words “including the President and the Vice President of the United States.” The statute would read as follows [emphasis added to new wording]:

(1) the term “public official” means Member of Congress, Delegate, or Resident Commissioner, either before or after such official has qualified, or an officer or employee or person, including the President and the Vice President of the United States, acting for or on behalf of the United States, or any department, agency or branch of Government thereof, including the District of Columbia, in any official function, under or by authority of any such department, agency, or branch of Government, or a juror […].

The president or vice president, being clearly lumped in to the definition of public official, would commit a federal crime if he or she “directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for: (A) being influenced in the performance of any official act; (B) being influenced to commit or aid in committing, or to collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or (C) being induced to do or omit to do any act in violation of the official duty of such official or person.”

Read more: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/house-democrats-introduce-bill-to-outlaw-presidential-self-pardons-criminalize-corrupt-acts-of-clemency/
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House Democrats Introduce Bill to Outlaw Presidential Self-Pardons, Criminalize Corrupt Acts of Clem (Original Post) Judi Lynn Sep 2020 OP
Excellent!!! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2020 #1
As if the Senate is going to pass that? Laelth Sep 2020 #2
Do it again when we get the majority. rickyhall Sep 2020 #5
Sure. That bill is fair game when we control the Senate. n/t Laelth Sep 2020 #6
Make the Repuke Senators run for reelection with the House bill wired around their necks. NCjack Sep 2020 #8
Yes. Point? paleotn Sep 2020 #14
and the thugs will vote for it in hopes ihas2stinkyfeet Sep 2020 #3
That's sounds like a solid bill. It should have LuvJoesPartner Sep 2020 #4
They are going to have to make real laws out of the " norms" ASAP. BigmanPigman Sep 2020 #7
They should also introduce a law that a president has to have a valid reason for a pardon. Initech Sep 2020 #9
I love it kwolf68 Sep 2020 #10
After the last American Civil War the Constitution... NNadir Sep 2020 #11
The Canadian constitution is more up to date. roamer65 Sep 2020 #12
In my next life I'm going to be Canadian. 🇨🇦 OMGWTF Sep 2020 #13
Yes! I've been asking about this! C Moon Sep 2020 #15
To change presidential pardons would take an amendment to The Constitution. marie999 Sep 2020 #16
Laws have to follow the Constitution? Jose Garcia Sep 2020 #18
Smart political move jorgevlorgan Sep 2020 #17
It pays to keep a step ahead of Trumpsky's Harker Sep 2020 #19
Impeach him again and he can't do any more pardons while the process runs. LiberalFighter Sep 2020 #20
Part of the "Make Crime Illegal" agenda. klook Sep 2020 #21

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
5. Do it again when we get the majority.
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 12:46 PM
Sep 2020

But I'd add, "Those who are pardoned can no longer serve in the federal government."

LuvJoesPartner

(89 posts)
4. That's sounds like a solid bill. It should have
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 12:43 PM
Sep 2020

been done after Ford pardoned Nixon. I hope that it can pass in a Democratic Majority.

BigmanPigman

(51,569 posts)
7. They are going to have to make real laws out of the " norms" ASAP.
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 12:52 PM
Sep 2020

The fucking moron has broken every presidential norm of the past 250 years. Now we will need them to be laws since it turns out a POTUS will actually break any/all of them.

Initech

(100,043 posts)
9. They should also introduce a law that a president has to have a valid reason for a pardon.
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 12:58 PM
Sep 2020

And they can't use it to bail out their criminal friends, like Trump did with Rod Blagojevich and Roger Stone.

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
10. I love it
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 12:59 PM
Sep 2020

This would apply to ALL Presidents, even Democrats, so if the Republicans think they are sacrosanct and it's the Democrats full of hubris and corruption then it should be an easy bill to support right? right? Right?

NNadir

(33,477 posts)
11. After the last American Civil War the Constitution...
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 01:15 PM
Sep 2020

...needed a major overhaul.

This is going to end badly for sure, but it is clear that the magnificent US Constition has outlived its usefulness, as a bunch of dangerous racist radicals have successfully ignored it, albeit at their own peril, since most overthrown democracies end up in tragedy for everyone, including the perpetrators.

The judgment of history will be severe.

Jose Garcia

(2,588 posts)
18. Laws have to follow the Constitution?
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 02:56 PM
Sep 2020

How are members of Congress supposed to know that obscure fact?

klook

(12,152 posts)
21. Part of the "Make Crime Illegal" agenda.
Wed Sep 23, 2020, 06:22 PM
Sep 2020

Ridiculous that this is needed, but here we are. Recommended.

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