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KSNY

(315 posts)
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:30 PM Sep 2020

Trump's Taxes Show Chronic Losses and Years of Tax Avoidance

Source: New York Times

Donald J. Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. In his first year in the White House, he paid another $750.

He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years — largely because he reported losing much more money than he made.

As the president wages a re-election campaign that polls say he is in danger of losing, his finances are under stress, beset by losses and hundreds of millions of dollars in debt coming due that he has personally guaranteed. Also hanging over him is a decade-long audit battle with the Internal Revenue Service over the legitimacy of a $72.9 million tax refund that he claimed, and received, after declaring huge losses. An adverse ruling could cost him more than $100 million.

The tax returns that Mr. Trump has long fought to keep private tell a story fundamentally different from the one he has sold to the American public.



Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage



Ok, this shows that he is a loser. Will the suckers who voted for him wake up ?
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Trump's Taxes Show Chronic Losses and Years of Tax Avoidance (Original Post) KSNY Sep 2020 OP
they'll call it "smart business." "only 'suckers' pay taxes." n/t Cerridwen Sep 2020 #1
That's what I was thinking. They'll put a spin on it, and his followers will cheer. C Moon Sep 2020 #21
Leona Helmsley: "Only the little people pay taxes." She subsequently did time for tax evasion. tclambert Sep 2020 #45
"the queen of mean" Yep. Lived through it real time. Cerridwen Sep 2020 #48
Indeed! And I remember this: Drum Sep 2020 #59
How did NYT obtain tax-return data extending over more than 2 decades, excluding '18 & '19 personal? hlthe2b Sep 2020 #2
Loading dock at the NY Times.... paleotn Sep 2020 #22
Is Melania deep throat??? nt in2herbs Sep 2020 #34
I kinda always thought that from the start....... oldsoftie Sep 2020 #37
Apparently that's not a skill that she needs... currently. NurseJackie Sep 2020 #40
This will make him go ballistic Zorro Sep 2020 #3
.Love your sentence, 'We have a president who cheats on his taxes". Thank You for that sentence.. Stuart G Sep 2020 #56
Holy crap!!! PatSeg Sep 2020 #4
those loathsome adoring sycophants agingdem Sep 2020 #5
Yes, those despicable enablers without whom Pissolini never gets to sleep in the WH. Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2020 #43
*Reported* losses. Now comes the fun part. Snellius Sep 2020 #6
You're fired! What a LOSER! BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 #7
How unfortunate Americans have had to endure all the corruption from this illegitimate Illumination Sep 2020 #12
And so many innocent lives lost to COVID because of his asshole-ness. C Moon Sep 2020 #23
Yes. You're right. Needlessly unfortunately... Illumination Sep 2020 #49
You might recall in Mary Trump's book that she turned over 19 BOXES of DOCUMENTS Illumination Sep 2020 #8
Taxpayers are suckers and losers. sarcasmo Sep 2020 #9
this should be BIG news.... dhill926 Sep 2020 #10
of course if its fake news he could just realease his returns rdking647 Sep 2020 #11
Bingo! paleotn Sep 2020 #14
In the immortal words of John Belushi.... paleotn Sep 2020 #13
What a great businessman genius. He'll run the country like he runs his businesses. Mc Mike Sep 2020 #15
like Warren Buffett said, who is worth $80 billion, that he paid less taxes than his secretary yaesu Sep 2020 #16
I think that was less taxes as a percentage of income. n/t Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #29
Yeah, I think it was a tax bracket thing but good on him for making it public. nt yaesu Sep 2020 #35
So, that means there was no audit? mysteryowl Sep 2020 #17
Yes there is an audit according to the NYT article. mtngirl47 Sep 2020 #52
Don't maximize your income, don't maximize your bottom line. Maximize your tax deductions. bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #18
And the rest of the family? otchmoson Sep 2020 #19
Excellent question. The spawn are worried about their inheritance. AllyCat Sep 2020 #33
All they should be worried about Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #36
Yup AllyCat Sep 2020 #41
So the Orange A-Hole's Wellstone ruled Sep 2020 #20
Cohen Etherealoc1 Sep 2020 #24
COHEN Etherealoc1 Sep 2020 #50
Don-Don's defense: playing the word game. Grokenstein Sep 2020 #25
He's the Bigly-est Loser. fierywoman Sep 2020 #26
Ah, the October Surprise four days early. George II Sep 2020 #27
The Deep State's not getting Trump bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #46
????????????/ bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #47
Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha Wicked Blue Sep 2020 #30
Title could have easily been "Trump is a loser". cstanleytech Sep 2020 #31
Somebody needs to make a summary as in the "Idiot's Guide to understanding Trump's Taxes" Escurumbele Sep 2020 #32
Apologists are already trolling Dukkha Sep 2020 #38
Stephanie Ruhle is calling into MSNBC now: "Where is the money coming from?" onetexan Sep 2020 #39
If a loan of several 100 million is coming due, 70sEraVet Sep 2020 #54
The Biden campaign... Wuddles440 Sep 2020 #42
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #44
The diehard assholes won't but maybe a few people on the fence will dustyscamp Sep 2020 #51
Don the Con sarcasmo Sep 2020 #53
I made a mistake...and posted the front page a 2nd time...Sorry.. Stuart G Sep 2020 #55
But what of Vladimir, NYT, what of Vladimir? Illage Vidiot Sep 2020 #57
FUCK TRUMP Blue Owl Sep 2020 #58
so... llashram Sep 2020 #60
I paid more taxes than Drumpf BlueWavePsych Sep 2020 #61

hlthe2b

(102,107 posts)
2. How did NYT obtain tax-return data extending over more than 2 decades, excluding '18 & '19 personal?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:36 PM
Sep 2020

wow!


The New York Times has obtained tax-return data extending over more than two decades for Mr. Trump and the hundreds of companies that make up his business organization, including detailed information from his first two years in office. It does not include his personal returns for 2018 or 2019. This article offers an overview of The Times’s findings; additional articles will be published in the coming weeks.

paleotn

(17,876 posts)
22. Loading dock at the NY Times....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:35 PM
Sep 2020

...Hey, what are these boxes of documents?

Of course now everything is electronic. But back in the day, an occasional Andy Dufresne "document dump" at a major newspaper wasn't all that uncommon. Apparently it's still not that uncommon.

Zorro

(15,722 posts)
3. This will make him go ballistic
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:41 PM
Sep 2020

Fasten your seat belts.

We have a president who cheats on his taxes.

Stuart G

(38,410 posts)
56. .Love your sentence, 'We have a president who cheats on his taxes". Thank You for that sentence..
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:55 PM
Sep 2020

PatSeg

(47,244 posts)
4. Holy crap!!!
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:42 PM
Sep 2020

That is far worse I'd imagined! No wonder he looked so peaked and lethargic at his press conference today. MSNBC cut in on it after only a couple of minutes as soon as he started bashing the media.

Wow, this is going to take a bit of time to digest.

agingdem

(7,804 posts)
5. those loathsome adoring sycophants
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:45 PM
Sep 2020

don't give a damn about his taxes, his sexual deviancy, his inhumanity, his psychopathy...they vote their hate...he gives voice to their racial/ethnic/gender hate...he normalized it and legitimized it..and they can brandish their guns, scream the N-word, chant "Jews will not replace us", assault hispanics and asians and suffer no consequences..and they love him for it...

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
43. Yes, those despicable enablers without whom Pissolini never gets to sleep in the WH.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:47 PM
Sep 2020

However, hopefully there are still people who aren't yet in the cult--the inexplicably undecided--for whom this may be a big negative against the failed businessman tax cheat.

 

Illumination

(2,458 posts)
8. You might recall in Mary Trump's book that she turned over 19 BOXES of DOCUMENTS
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 05:55 PM
Sep 2020

to the N.Y. Times RE: D.T.'s financials!...

dhill926

(16,309 posts)
10. this should be BIG news....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:02 PM
Sep 2020

expose this piece of shit....$750 in taxes? Hammer him mercilessly on this....

paleotn

(17,876 posts)
14. Bingo!
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:23 PM
Sep 2020

If it's false, prove it. Easily done. Would only take a couple years of returns to discredit the article.

paleotn

(17,876 posts)
13. In the immortal words of John Belushi....
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:17 PM
Sep 2020

Holy shita! Holy shita!

This validates what many have suspected all along. He's a terrible business person, but is willing to cheat on his taxes any way he can. My prediction... We will learn that he is bankrupt. His debts far exceed the true market value of his assets. In short, he blew all of dad's money and just has a pile of debt to will to the spawn. Guess they'll have grift on their own.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
16. like Warren Buffett said, who is worth $80 billion, that he paid less taxes than his secretary
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:27 PM
Sep 2020

its a broken system that, like our government and laws, favors the uber rich.

mtngirl47

(987 posts)
52. Yes there is an audit according to the NYT article.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 08:44 PM
Sep 2020

They are evaluating a $70M tax "refund" that he claimed and received. It is also being evaluated by a congressional office that oversees refunds of more than $2M per person.

If he has to pay it back it will be over $100M with interest and penalties.

bucolic_frolic

(43,031 posts)
18. Don't maximize your income, don't maximize your bottom line. Maximize your tax deductions.
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:28 PM
Sep 2020

Yup, that's a builder-developer.

otchmoson

(68 posts)
19. And the rest of the family?
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:32 PM
Sep 2020

What did Jared & Ivanka pay? And Don Jr.? And Eric? Inquiring minds . . . and all that!

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
20. So the Orange A-Hole's
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:33 PM
Sep 2020

Niece,via her 19 boxes of files and a follow on Law Suit shook the tree . Betcha Deutche Bank as well as Bank of New York Mellon supplied some missing paper work.

Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #28)

Wicked Blue

(5,813 posts)
30. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 06:56 PM
Sep 2020

I knew it!
No wonder he was fighting so hard to keep them hidden.
I wonder if his lawyers are going to get paid.



Escurumbele

(3,374 posts)
32. Somebody needs to make a summary as in the "Idiot's Guide to understanding Trump's Taxes"
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:06 PM
Sep 2020

I have to admit that I read the entire article, and it needs to be condensed to a shorter document. I have to think that for his base to understand it someone needs to write a summary that explains in very easy terms what it is that trump has done consistently to avoid paying taxes, how he has cheated the country.
Must be written in such a way that his base will easily understand that the guy is not the billionaire he claims to be, that in fact he is just a cheater and a failure.

Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
38. Apologists are already trolling
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:28 PM
Sep 2020

"He did nothing illegal" "it's smart business gaming the system"

ignoring the fact the "smart billionaire" is neither and has been bleeding money like a harpooned whale

onetexan

(13,019 posts)
39. Stephanie Ruhle is calling into MSNBC now: "Where is the money coming from?"
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:37 PM
Sep 2020

She's right - whose loaning money to him? Where did his money come from?

"Proceeds from fame"?
Follow the money!

70sEraVet

(3,474 posts)
54. If a loan of several 100 million is coming due,
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:03 PM
Sep 2020

And either Putin or MBS (or a combination of the two) have guaranteed the loans, when Trump loses the election he's going to be BEGGING to be put in prison!

Wuddles440

(1,118 posts)
42. The Biden campaign...
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 07:43 PM
Sep 2020

and the Dem leadership need to make this a major talking point - How can someone claim to be "the greatest supporter of the military and law enforcement in the history of this country" and literally not contribute any financial support towards their operations? Also, how does someone who always claims to be a "genius" and "incredible businessman" consistently fail in his business endeavors, amassed levels of debt that are beyond reckless, and constantly needs to be rescued by charitable benefactors to remain solvent (or publicly appear to be so). There's no doubt that Putin, MBS, and others are into him for millions, if not, billions of dollars.

Response to KSNY (Original post)

Stuart G

(38,410 posts)
55. I made a mistake...and posted the front page a 2nd time...Sorry..
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 10:47 PM
Sep 2020

....I have read somewhere, that that is why they put erasers on pencils.............


...I have also read that that same reason is why they put the delete key on the computer......

....Sorry...time to hide again........

I should also add this one ..... ..... ....

Please, Please, & Please...do not be offended by ............Stupid Stuart.......... ... ... ...

llashram

(6,265 posts)
60. so...
Mon Sep 28, 2020, 09:08 AM
Sep 2020

he and his grifter family have been looting the Treasury, making millions off the WH brand, especially First daughter and Jarad. And trumpchump has paid close to no taxes, none. Less than the average low life deplorable member of his cult base. And millions of people will still vote for this loser. I just never realized how deep stupid ran in this country. The potus has shown everyone.

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