Pennsylvania Republicans Put Election Nightmare Scenario In Motion
Source: Huffington Post
A proposal for a Republican-run committee to investigate the election could be the first step to handing the states electors to Trump.
Pennsylvania Republican legislators took the first step on Wednesday toward enacting a nightmare scenario in which they could challenge the outcome of the states presidential election if President Donald Trump loses.
Republicans in the state House of Representatives passed a resolution out of the chambers government committee on a 15-10 party-line vote to create a special election integrity committee of three Republicans and two Democrats to investigate the 2020 election. It could possibly certify its own slate of electors for Trump based on phony charges of voter fraud.
Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-pennsylvania-election_n_5f750df6c5b66377b27ce1b5
jorgevlorgan
(8,285 posts)hlthe2b
(102,190 posts)jorgevlorgan
(8,285 posts)Also with Biden's chances increasing substantially in states that would be called super early, it is less likely that anything the state legislature tries -even if they get their way with this (unlikely), would work.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...the Democratic governor will veto it, and that will be that.
The most extreme Trumper Republicans, though, hold that the language in the Constitution saying that state legislatures shall provide for the selection of a slate of electors means that the legislature has the federal authority to do so all on their own, without passing a new state law. Even if the state already provides, by law, that the electors go to the candidate who wins that states election, the argument goes, such a state law is overruled by the provision in the Constitution.
Now, I think thats an extreme argument that would appear to be contradicted by previous SCOTUS precedent, and probably wouldnt even be convincing to a majority of Republican-appointed Justices, but it is out there, and we need to be prepared for them to at least attempt it.
jorgevlorgan
(8,285 posts)I'm doubtful enough of them would be on board to change the electoral math in a Biden landslide for other states. But the illegality of such a thing would likely be more than clear to any judge looking at it. There is also the option of arresting legislatures who blatantly commit that crime, which I'm sure the Democratic attorney general wouldn't mind doing to prevent a constitutional crisis.
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)So even if the Constitution allowed a legislature to act on its own, PA is more restrictive. That's the counterargument.
JennyMominFL
(218 posts)Dont they have a Democratic gov who would veto this if it made it to himal
jorgevlorgan
(8,285 posts)too easy
Fiendish Thingy
(15,568 posts)Quite informative, and evidence based:
https://verdict.justia.com/2020/09/30/no-republicans-cannot-throw-the-presidential-election-into-the-house-so-that-trump-wins
Also, more fact based analysis:
https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2020/Pres/Maps/Sep25.html#item-2
All you need to know this OP is poppycock.
elleng
(130,825 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,273 posts)There's no doubt Rs are trying to keep those who would be expected to support Dems away from the polls. But the hysterical fear-mongering about election results is because cable news hosts and pundits know the election is not going to be close. Blowouts are not good for ratings, so the need is there for something to keep viewers returning and making advertisers happy. Thus the continual harping on how long it might be before total results are in and so on.
rso
(2,270 posts)According to Harvard Law Professor Lawrence Tribe, this approach is not realistic, especially with a Democratic Governor.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)will go to stay on power.
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)Pennsylvanias governor is a Democrat who would veto any effort to circumvent existing state election law. Supreme Court precedent makes clear that Republican-dominated legislatures cannot legally bypass their own governors to change the rules governing federal elections, as two of the authors of this column and a colleague recently demonstrated. If Pennsylvania or any other state wants to change its voting laws, it must do so in the normal way, not by having the legislature go rogue.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...some of the more extreme Republican voices claim the Constitution allows state legislatures, on their own authority, to appoint electors, without the governors signature and despite any existing state law to the contrary. Like I said, I think its doubtful such a claim would succeed, but that doesnt mean they wont try it.
Rule of Claw
(500 posts)could only be amended by a Governor's signature. Otherwise why have a Governor?
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)And second, the Courts decision reinforces the validity of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Under National Popular Vote, states that combine for at least 270 electoral votes agree to award their electors to the presidential candidate who wins the most individual votes across the nation. (Fifteen states and the District of Columbia, totaling 196 electoral votes, have already passed the measure.)
In the 18 states currently without faithless elector laws, the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact would operate in a manner identical to the system that they have been using for over 200 years. In these states (which currently use the state-by-state winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes), the presidential electors are chosen by the political party whose presidential candidate receives the most popular votes inside the state
More at the link
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/07/14/supreme-courts-faithless-electors-decision-validates-case-for-the-national-popular-vote-interstate-compact/
paleotn
(17,901 posts)MI, WI and PA, puts a stop to these shenanigans. All elections are important.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Those 3 Governors are a huge safeguard for our democracy.
onetexan
(13,033 posts)deurbano
(2,894 posts)no principles, no boundaries, no ethics, no morality and absolutely no shame in their ruthless and relentless quest for (White) power.
BumRushDaShow
(128,705 posts)and his re-election in 2018 meant that he would be in place during the 2020 Census and re-redistricting - something that we got screwed on 10 years ago when the GOP had Tom Corbett (R-PA) in there as a governor (who thankfully ended up becominge the 1st "1-term governor" since PA governors were permitted to run for 2 consecutive terms in 1968).
Statistical
(19,264 posts)completely ineffective but useful for voter suppression.
Republicans want people to think their vote can't matter. If they don't vote then Trump wins. If people vote Trump will be kicked to the curb on Jan 20th. It really is that simple.
BumRushDaShow
(128,705 posts)By Dan Stamm and Mark Scolforo Published 6 hours ago Updated 4 hours ago
The House Republican Caucus announced the cancelation after Republican Rep. Paul Schemel tested positive Thursday morning. In a statement, Schemel said he is self-isolating and has mild symptoms. After experiencing mild symptoms of COVID-19 yesterday, I took a COVID-19 test today and was informed of a positive result this morning," Schemel, who represents the 90th Legislative District in Franklin County, said in a statement Thursday.
The lawmaker was last present at the Capitol on Tuesday, the House GOP and Schemel said. As soon as I received a positive test result on Thursday, I informed the appropriate House offices," Schemel said. "I am following the advice of medical professionals and the protocols of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives to ensure the safety of my family, staff, and fellow members.
The member is working with human resources to determine all interactions with other members and staff to track any possible exposures under Pennsylvania Department of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines the House GOP said in its statement. Those who may have been exposed are being contacted. The House chamber, offices and other areas are cleaned and sanitized nightly, noted the House GOP.
Although state House employees are all required to wear masks in the Capitol, that does not apply to the representatives themselves. Schemel's press release did not say if he had been wearing a mask while inside the Capitol's public spaces.
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/coronavirus/pennsylvania-coronavirus-harrisburg-capitol/2550019/
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)It's at GOP peril