Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:22 PM
brooklynite (89,780 posts)
AG Nessel Files Felony Charges Against Jack Burkman, Jacob Wohl in Voter-Suppression Robocalls
Source: Michigan.Gov
LANSING – Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel has filed charges today against two political operatives for allegedly orchestrating a series of robocalls aimed at suppressing the vote in the November general election. Jack Burkman, 54, and Jacob Wohl, 22, are each charged with: One count of election law – intimidating voters, a five-year felony; One count of conspiracy to commit an election law violation, a five-year felony; One count of using a computer to commit the crime of election law – intimidating voters, a seven-year felony; and Using a computer to commit the crime of conspiracy, a seven-year felony. The charges were filed today in the 36th District Court in Detroit. Arraignment is pending for the defendants. The Attorney General’s office will be working – with local law enforcement if necessary – to secure the appearance of each defendant in Michigan. It’s too early to say if formal extradition will be necessary or if they will present themselves here voluntarily in the very near future. Burkman, an Arlington, Virginia resident, and Wohl, a Los Angeles, California resident, allegedly attempted to discourage voters from participating in the general election by creating and funding a robocall targeted at certain urban areas, including Detroit. The calls were made in late August and went out to nearly 12,000 residents with phone numbers from the 313 area code. Read more: https://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-359-92297_99936-541052--,00.html
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brooklynite | Oct 2020 | OP |
BootinUp | Oct 2020 | #1 | |
Hortensis | Oct 2020 | #4 | |
HuskyOffset | Oct 2020 | #11 | |
Hortensis | Oct 2020 | #12 | |
DFW | Oct 2020 | #23 | |
Hortensis | Oct 2020 | #25 | |
DFW | Oct 2020 | #26 | |
Hortensis | Oct 2020 | #27 | |
DFW | Oct 2020 | #28 | |
Hortensis | Oct 2020 | #32 | |
Leghorn21 | Oct 2020 | #2 | |
tblue37 | Oct 2020 | #3 | |
pwb | Oct 2020 | #6 | |
DENVERPOPS | Oct 2020 | #17 | |
Initech | Oct 2020 | #5 | |
mahatmakanejeeves | Oct 2020 | #7 | |
Blue Owl | Oct 2020 | #8 | |
jpak | Oct 2020 | #9 | |
mahatmakanejeeves | Oct 2020 | #10 | |
johnthewoodworker | Oct 2020 | #13 | |
Marie Marie | Oct 2020 | #14 | |
llmart | Oct 2020 | #15 | |
DeminPennswoods | Oct 2020 | #30 | |
llmart | Oct 2020 | #31 | |
marble falls | Oct 2020 | #16 | |
mahatmakanejeeves | Oct 2020 | #18 | |
Grokenstein | Oct 2020 | #19 | |
mahatmakanejeeves | Oct 2020 | #20 | |
calimary | Oct 2020 | #21 | |
roamer65 | Oct 2020 | #22 | |
Coventina | Oct 2020 | #24 | |
mahatmakanejeeves | Oct 2020 | #29 | |
ck4829 | Oct 2020 | #33 |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:27 PM
BootinUp (45,007 posts)
1. Wonder if the accused are worried.
I sure would be.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #1)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:35 PM
Hortensis (58,785 posts)
4. Not nearly enough. 5 years is in no way proportional to the
injury to society. We need real sentences proportional to the crime and thus genuinely deterrent. Including potential permanent disenfranchisement and eligibility for office for serious offenders. Brian Kemp should not have been able to take office even if the voters were willing to have him serve from prison.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #4)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:27 PM
HuskyOffset (856 posts)
11. I counted a possible 24 years
if convicted of all four charges and given maximum non-concurrent sentences.
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Response to HuskyOffset (Reply #11)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:43 PM
Hortensis (58,785 posts)
12. Yes, but big ifs. We've seen that notions of what's appropriate
are very different for white collar felons whom judges and prosecutors might have associated with in society, or of a level they might have aspired to. Not really...criminals. Certainly sentences appropriate for real, lower criminals are not appropriate for them.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #12)
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 02:16 AM
DFW (52,339 posts)
23. That is true in general, but remember the name Tom Noe
After the 2004 election, he was their sacrificial lamb, and because he was also involved in another white collar case they let Republican Ohio throw the book at him, and he served almost 14 years of 18 years of consecutive sentences.
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Response to DFW (Reply #23)
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 02:42 AM
Hortensis (58,785 posts)
25. :) Yes. And let's remember Martha Stewart also.
Noe was a rare white male Republican, not a woman or a black congressman imagining election conferred the protections his colleagues in the white man's club enjoyed.
Apparently these two Republican operatives have been doing this in a number of states, so hopefully they won't be back at it in a couple years. |
Response to Hortensis (Reply #25)
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 02:56 AM
DFW (52,339 posts)
26. This goes back some 40 years
But I actually knew Tom Noe. Our paths used to cross on a regular basis. He was always sort of a wannabe, and I can well imagine that if it meant he could hang with Rove and Bush (Cheney would have seen right through him), he would have done what he was told was bending the rules without breaking them. He had similar attitudes toward his personal life with predictable consequences when I knew him, but that was a long time ago, so maybe he outgrew that. I’ll bet he never saw it coming that his beloved Republicans would let him rot in jail as an expendable example. I wonder how he feels about them now, after being left to rot in jail for 14 years?
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Response to DFW (Reply #26)
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 03:19 AM
Hortensis (58,785 posts)
27. Well, that "wannabe" probably explains being left to rot.
Sounds like he lacked the useful talents that might have lead to a lifetime appointment in the judiciary instead.
Being left to rot reminds me of Ken Starr's "reward" for service of exile far from power to a job at Pepperdine University. ![]() ![]() |
Response to Hortensis (Reply #27)
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 05:29 AM
DFW (52,339 posts)
28. The thought of Tom Noe as a member of the judiciary is unnerving
I heard that in prison, he "got religion" and became a Jesus freak. After a young married life of business trips where he considered them a failure if he didn't score at the local disco, it seems a little "after the horse has left the barn," but it is seldom that I talk with Republicans who have a constant set of morals that I can relate to.
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Response to DFW (Reply #28)
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 10:37 AM
Hortensis (58,785 posts)
32. :) Unnerving. He sounds a lot like a type we've known also.
Several over the decades, whose sleazy behaviors destroyed their lives but subsequently (or previously or concurrently) found God. The sleazier and more unstable the character turned out to be, the more likely fundamental the religion and more intense the professed devotion.
"It is seldom that I talk with Republicans who have a constant set of morals that I can relate to." You and us both. We've made good friends here in GA who are genuinely fine, and intelligent, people in many respects -- even though they voted for Trump and will again. (As opposed to others too mean and/or closed minded to ever be friends with us.) Any of our friends'd be here in an instant to help if we needed them, it's part of who they are, but the merest mention of right or wrong in public policy suddenly finds us on opposite rims of a Grand Canyon-size rift. So we don't. |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:31 PM
Leghorn21 (13,360 posts)
2. Felonies GALORE, idiots!!
Super delightful IT'S -ABOUT-DAMN-TIME news!!!
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:34 PM
tblue37 (62,059 posts)
3. Frankly, I don't really understand why they both are not in prison already.
Response to tblue37 (Reply #3)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:52 PM
pwb (10,434 posts)
6. Like Trump they have lawyers paid for
by the pukes. This might stick though. Fingers crossed.
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Response to tblue37 (Reply #3)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:45 PM
DENVERPOPS (8,284 posts)
17. If they were dems
They would already be in SuperMax
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 05:43 PM
Initech (98,636 posts)
5. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:00 PM
mahatmakanejeeves (54,170 posts)
7. Adding a link:
Hat tip, Joe.My.God.
BREAKING: Michigan AG Hits Jacob Wohl And Jack Burkman With Multiple Felony Charges For Robocalls
October 1, 2020 Jack Burkman, Jacob Wohl Charged in Alleged Voter Suppression Scheme
DEVELOPING The Michigan Attorney General said the notorious operatives targeted “urban areas with significant minority populations.” Pilar Melendez Reporter | Will Sommer Updated Oct. 01, 2020 5:50PM ET / Published Oct. 01, 2020 5:23PM ET Conservative operatives Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman were charged on Thursday for allegedly orchestrating a series of robocalls aimed at suppressing the vote in the November presidential election, Michigan authorities said. Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel filed a slew of charges against Burkman, 54, and Wohl, 22, including conspiracy to commit an election law violation and using a computer to commit the crime of election law. Prosecutors allege the two political operatives were using a robocall system aimed at scaring Detroit voters away from using mail-in voting ballots. The calls, which were made in August, went out to nearly 12,000 Detroit residents. {snip} |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:04 PM
Blue Owl (47,469 posts)
8. To the klink with these kooks
n/t
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:06 PM
jpak (41,518 posts)
9. Lock em up
Yup
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 06:21 PM
mahatmakanejeeves (54,170 posts)
10. Allegedly perpetrated in 4 states - including Illinois
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:06 PM
johnthewoodworker (694 posts)
13. During the Nixon years weren't these type of people called 'rat fuckers'.
Response to johnthewoodworker (Reply #13)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:09 PM
Marie Marie (9,999 posts)
14. Indeed. Now let's hope we can also call them convicted felons.
Enough with their childish antics - this is long overdue.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:25 PM
llmart (14,925 posts)
15. Dana Nessel is one sharp and tough cookie.
Way to go, Ms. Nessel! Put these crooks behind bars.
Looks like the Dems will be the ones "draining the swamp". We are so fortunate to have her in Michigan. |
Response to llmart (Reply #15)
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 07:59 AM
DeminPennswoods (15,117 posts)
30. Maddow reported on this last night
AG Nessel coordinated with the other state AG's where Wohl had pulled this stunt, including our PA Atty Genl Shapiro. She should have a strong case.
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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #30)
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 08:10 AM
llmart (14,925 posts)
31. Thanks for that info.
These right wingers need to be kept busy fighting for their lives in court and using up whomever's money that backs their shananigans.
The fact that the AG's are working together is great. |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 07:27 PM
marble falls (52,858 posts)
16. Please handcuff and perpwalk these two!!!
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 08:07 PM
mahatmakanejeeves (54,170 posts)
18. Here're the felony complaints against Burkman and Wohl.
DebatHat Retweeted
Here're the felony complaints against Burkman and Wohl. Link to tweet BTW, according to the Michigan AG, she learned during the investigation that similar robocalls were made in New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Illinois. Link to tweet /3 that earlier tweet was deleted; here’s the link to the Michigan AG press release. Link to tweet |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 08:21 PM
Grokenstein (5,609 posts)
19. LOCK THEM UP!!
...What? Sauce for the goose, rightwankers!
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 08:31 PM
mahatmakanejeeves (54,170 posts)
20. We should be on the lookout for Craigslist ads seeking an actor to play the role of ...
We should be on the lookout for Craigslist ads seeking an actor to play the role of the scorned lover of the Michigan Attorney General at a press conference to be held at a Ramada Inn. Link to tweet |
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 11:35 PM
calimary (78,150 posts)
21. LOCK 'EM UP!!!
Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 12:24 AM
roamer65 (36,176 posts)
22. That's my AG.
I voted for her in 2018.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 02:34 AM
Coventina (26,116 posts)
24. How are these creeps not in jail already?
Hopefully this will finally do it...
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)
Fri Oct 2, 2020, 07:35 AM
mahatmakanejeeves (54,170 posts)
29. Dave Weigel writes:
Give us any chance we'll take it Link to tweet |