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brooklynite

(94,540 posts)
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 12:10 AM Oct 2020

Powered by trust on the pandemic, Biden leads by 12 points nationwide: POLL

Source: ABC News

Joe Biden holds a 17-point lead over Donald Trump in trust to handle the coronavirus pandemic in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, powering the Democrat to a double-digit advantage in vote preference with the presidential election three weeks away.

In the aftermath of his own COVID-19 diagnosis, two-thirds of registered voters say Trump failed to take appropriate precautions against the virus, 62% distrust what he says about it and eight months since its arrival in the United States just 21% say it's under control.

Also damaging to Trump: 58% disapprove of how he's handled the pandemic -- essentially steady since July -- and a new high, 73%, are worried they or an immediate family member might catch the coronavirus (or say it's already happened). Worry about the virus remains a significant independent predictor of support for Biden over Trump.

The presidential race stands at 53%-41%, Biden-Trump, among registered voters, and a similar 54%-42% among likely voters, with minimal support (in the low single digits) for the Libertarian and Green Party candidates. Biden's advantage rests on his support among women, racial and ethnic minorities, independents and an unusually wide lead among moderates.


Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/powered-trust-pandemic-biden-leads-12-points-nationwide/story?id=73528233

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greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
4. A 55%-44% result nationally would translate to a roughly 13 million vote difference
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:58 AM
Oct 2020

And that's if the national vote is roughly what it was in 2016.

Obama won by less than 10 million votes in 2008.

A lot of folks will come on these threads and tell you that national polls don't matter. Sure, they're partly right. But they likely won't explain how a 13 million vote difference would still result in an electoral college loss. At least not in any detail.

getagrip_already

(14,750 posts)
5. look at 538's snake chart.....
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 08:20 AM
Oct 2020


I find it helpful to ground myself in the polls vs ec counts. The link above is just a static picture, the real one is a java script embed and can't be linked to.

Anyway, it shows the states we need to get over 270 and how likely that is based on local polling.

It currently shows if we get all of {PA, MI, MN, NH and NV}, we still need one of {WI, AZ, FL, NC, or OH).

That makes me VERY nervous. WI is the land of wicked fast fascism and we know voter suppression is high. OH? doubtful. And the list goes on.

So that's where a lot of people justifiably say yeah, but.

What really scares me is that the bulk of our vote is bottled up in large urban areas. And that is susceptible to election day authoritarian hamfists. Also, a lot of states have not locked down their voting systems and are basically giving hackers free reign to do what they do.

We still need every vote just to get to 270. This won't be a landslide in the ec. And the courts will be active.

If this were 2008 I'd be partying. But that was a different place and time.

getagrip_already

(14,750 posts)
8. your list is wrong.... he WON those states in 2016
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 11:41 AM
Oct 2020

that site won't load, and trump certainly won PA,MI, and WI in 2016.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
11. If you copy/paste the whole link through .pdf the graph
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:26 PM
Oct 2020

will come up. They voted dem every time except 2016 is what s/he said/meant.

getagrip_already

(14,750 posts)
12. I only went on what they said....
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:31 PM
Oct 2020

And we "lost" those states in 2016.

If this was 2008 I'd be drunk and on a bender of happiness. Different world. Different rules. Laws and fair play don't seem to exist.

If we are going to win this, it's gonna take our blood I'm afraid.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
13. Yes. I believe we're going to win, but there is
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:33 PM
Oct 2020

going to be violence, the only question to my mind is how much. And what sort of additional destruction there will be until Jan 20. That part is terrifying.

IronLionZion

(45,439 posts)
7. The pandemic is what got me ridin with Biden in the primaries
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 10:23 AM
Oct 2020

His experience helping Obama rebuild after the financial crisis makes him qualified to rebuild after Trump.

bucolic_frolic

(43,158 posts)
9. Trump was so busy trying to manufacture dirt on Biden, that Trump manufactured it on himself
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 11:42 AM
Oct 2020

The pandemic deserved attention and resources, you know?

AKing

(511 posts)
10. The question that constantly needs to be repeated is "Do you want Trump in charge the next time..
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 12:16 PM
Oct 2020

we have a crisis"?

ffr

(22,669 posts)
14. Throw the polls away and pick up the ballots. #VOTE #NoDemLeftBehind
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 01:41 PM
Oct 2020


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