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BumRushDaShow

(129,662 posts)
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 06:08 AM Oct 2020

Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Paul Milgrom and Robert Wilson

Source: CNN

London (CNN Business) American economists Paul Milgrom and Robert Wilson have been awarded the 2020 Nobel Prize in economics for their contributions to auction theory, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences said on Monday. Milgrom and Wilson, who are both professors at Stanford University in California, were recognized for theoretical discoveries that improved how auctions work.

According to the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, they also designed auction formats for goods and services that are difficult to sell in a traditional way, such as radio frequencies. "This year's Laureates in Economic Sciences started out with fundamental theory and later used their results in practical applications, which have spread globally.

Their discoveries are of great benefit to society," Peter Fredriksson, chair of the prize committee, said in a statement. According to the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, the economists invented new formats for auctioning many interrelated objects on behalf of a seller motivated by doing good for society rather than simply achieving the highest price possible. In 1994, US authorities first used one of their formats to sell bands of radio spectrum. Doing so helped ensure that taxpayers were benefiting from the sale of radio frequencies that were owned by the government but of enormous value to mobile network operators.

The prize for economics is officially known as the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences. It was established by Sweden's central bank and has been awarded since 1969 in memory of industrialist Alfred Nobel. Milgrom and Wilson will share 10 million Swedish kroner ($1.1 million) in prize money.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/business/nobel-prize-economics/index.html






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The 2020 Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel has been awarded to Paul R. Milgrom and Robert B. Wilson "for improvements to auction theory and inventions of new auction formats."

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London (CNN Business)American economists Paul Milgrom and Robert Wilson have been awarded the 2020 Nobel Prize in economics for their contributions to auction theory, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences said on Monday.

The prize for economics is officially known as the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences. It was established by Sweden's central bank and has been awarded since 1969 in memory of industrialist Alfred Nobel.

In 2019, the economics prize was awarded to Abhijit Banerjee, Esther Duflo and Michael Kremer for their work to alleviate global poverty. Duflo, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, was the youngest person and only the second woman to be awarded the prize.

Last week, the World Food Programme was awarded the 2020 Nobel Peace Prize for its efforts to combat hunger and its "contribution to bettering conditions for peace in conflict-affected areas."
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Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Paul Milgrom and Robert Wilson (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 OP
I never found economics interesting bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #1
I remember my senior year in high school where we took "World History and Economics" BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #2
Basic economics should be a required course in every high school. Lonestarblue Oct 2020 #3
We had to read Heilbroner's "The Worldly Philosophers" bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #7
The one I want to see thoroughly debunked is Milton Friedman. Lonestarblue Oct 2020 #13
sounds like they need to share it w the guy who wrote this paper- ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #4
Based on your link, that guy already got the Nobel in 2001 for that paper and theory (shared) BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #5
thx. i wasnt sure. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #6
That's what I want to know! BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #8
i heard the other day ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #9
Could be that there was a "set-aside" rule BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #10
they didnt bid. they didnt think they could afford it. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #11
Well I guess when I use the term "bid" I meant whoever put in a proposal BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #12
like i said- they didnt put in a bid. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #14
By "bid" I mean a "proposal for use" - i.e, what the FCC would include in "an application" BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #15
in the story i heard, they were already up and running. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #18
That's fantastic!!! BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #19
link to the show- ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #20
Another Nobel Prize that Donald was cheated out of. keithbvadu2 Oct 2020 #16
I thought "Voodoo Economics" would have been in the running! BumRushDaShow Oct 2020 #17

bucolic_frolic

(43,364 posts)
1. I never found economics interesting
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 07:42 AM
Oct 2020

It got shoved at me. It's a dismal science as they say. All the different schools of thought, infighting, at various times declaring themselves sovereign and fronting for political agendas as if they actually know what's going on. Note though, that the Novel Prize in economics is usually for research and micro-policies that aid understanding. They manage to avoid the political wars.

BumRushDaShow

(129,662 posts)
2. I remember my senior year in high school where we took "World History and Economics"
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 07:53 AM
Oct 2020

Last edited Mon Oct 12, 2020, 08:59 AM - Edit history (1)

which was a PA 4th year history requirement. And agree that there are all kinds of "schools of thought" on economic systems and policies (including the distortions of them ).

In this case however, I thought this was unique - particularly the idea of how the FCC was doing those broadband frequency allocations. The media reports on which companies were able to obtain various blocks of frequencies being offered as the auctions occurred and after they were awarded, never delved into how they went about the bid process and how they chose the winner.

Lonestarblue

(10,106 posts)
3. Basic economics should be a required course in every high school.
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 08:41 AM
Oct 2020

While economists have many theories to explain how the economy works, everyone should understand some basics, such as how income stimulates demand. If you give $1,000 to a poor person, that person will spend it and add to the economy and jobs. If you give that $1,000 instead to a rich person, the money goes into savings rather than being circulated into the economy.

We have a populace that is incredibly ignorant about such basic concepts, which is why they've been hoodwinked by Republicans into believing that trickle-down economics works. It never has and never will because rich people just buy another yacht or an island. They don’t create a lot of jobs.

bucolic_frolic

(43,364 posts)
7. We had to read Heilbroner's "The Worldly Philosophers"
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 10:06 AM
Oct 2020

which was a primer on economic history and philosophy.

I don't see how you teach economics in high school. What a political football that would be. All the local businessmen, the car dealers and insurance agents, would be there to Supply Side, and they wouldn't let the teachers go Keynesian. Plus mainstream thoughts change. The Thurows and Krugmans have been out of power for so long, and the Von Mises are trying to elbow their way into sanity.

But I do agree. Personal Finance should be taught. I thought high school was useless. So many subjects, such dense nonsense. Did anyone know how to balance a checkbook? No. Take out a loan? No. Basic accounting, finance for consumers, political philosophy? No. And they were paid well for treating us like sheep.

Lonestarblue

(10,106 posts)
13. The one I want to see thoroughly debunked is Milton Friedman.
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 11:41 AM
Oct 2020

His views on free market capitalism and shifting corporations’ sole responsibility as a return to shareholders has resulted in a lot of the transfer of the wealth in this country to the top 1%. When I was studying for my MBA (many dog years ago!), the mantra was that corporations served three groups: shareholders, employees, and consumers. We need to return to that understanding of corporate responsibility. Free market capitalism without any constraints allows too many depredations on average citizens, as in chemical dumping and air pollution.

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
4. sounds like they need to share it w the guy who wrote this paper-
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 09:35 AM
Oct 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons

i know about this because my ex worked for cboe. they trade stock futures. they invented it.
the whole industry is all based on this paper.

BumRushDaShow

(129,662 posts)
8. That's what I want to know!
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 10:30 AM
Oct 2020

I *think* the broadband spectrum auctions started happening after the 2007 switchover of TV frequencies from analog to digital. And that freed up various blocks of what would now be "unused" chunks of VHF that could be "sold" by the government.

Those frequencies would be a mix of that might be great for one application (like cellular) or for other applications (various devices that transmit over some RF). The ones mostly bidding on these were (at least initially), the cell companies like Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint, etc., and based on what they already owned, they needed to do some jockeying to "fill in" some frequencies that they felt they needed for their cellular/broadband expansion "vision" based on the frequencies' ability to "penetrate a building" vs provide a greater "range/distance" of the overall signal coverage.

An wondering if they did the auction using some kind of a "ranked choice" thing (with price factored in somewhere).

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
9. i heard the other day
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 10:38 AM
Oct 2020

that a chunk of that spectrum went to indian tribes for broadband on native lands. for free.
i wonder if they factored in 'common good' or non-econ good.

BumRushDaShow

(129,662 posts)
10. Could be that there was a "set-aside" rule
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 10:47 AM
Oct 2020

to allow them to "bid" (among themselves via justifications vs price)... Also could be that the frequency ranges are a better fit for their limited areas (as long as they can get them to feed to a big fiber trunk line) and those blocks didn't fit into the schemas that the cell and other broadband companies were using.

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
11. they didnt bid. they didnt think they could afford it.
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 11:12 AM
Oct 2020

sec came to them. i dont think they got the demand they were expecting.
iirc, they were setting up 3g. and over a large area.
oklahoma maybe. or new mexico.

BumRushDaShow

(129,662 posts)
12. Well I guess when I use the term "bid" I meant whoever put in a proposal
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 11:27 AM
Oct 2020

for use of the offered frequencies, given many states might have multiple nations/reservations within that state. So there might be competing proposals for a certain set of frequencies within a state. They usually try to have each entity utilize a unique frequency range so customers aren't drifting onto the "wrong" one.

 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
14. like i said- they didnt put in a bid.
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 11:45 AM
Oct 2020

maybe the state did, but i think the sec came straight to the tribe.
they didnt think they could afford the fiber and the towers, but w the frequencies for free, they were able to make it work.

BumRushDaShow

(129,662 posts)
15. By "bid" I mean a "proposal for use" - i.e, what the FCC would include in "an application"
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 12:18 PM
Oct 2020
https://www.fcc.gov/25-ghz-rural-tribal-window

(where their "proposal" is part of that)

Here is what they list about the process -

2.5 GHz Rural Tribal Window

[snip]

Who is eligible?

[snip]

This window is a unique opportunity for Tribes in rural areas to directly access unassigned spectrum over their Tribal lands, subject to buildout requirements. The 2.5 GHz band is suitable for both mobile coverage and fixed point-to-point uses, and is currently used to provide broadband service by legacy educational licensees and commercial providers that lease the spectrum. Depending on your needs, it can play an important role in the deployment of broadband and other advanced communications services on your Tribal lands. Please find more detailed information below, including how to determine whether 2.5 GHz spectrum is available over your Tribal lands.

What is available?

The spectrum available in this window is a portion of the 2.5 GHz band, consisting of three different channels: one 49.5 megahertz channel, one 50.5 megahertz channel, and one 17.5 megahertz channel. Tribal applicants may apply for one, two, or all three of these channels, depending on availability.*

In the Rural Tribal Window, tribal applicants may apply for any of the spectrum in these channels that is not currently licensed to another entity, as long as the desired license area is rural Tribal land (see "Who is eligible?" above). Current licenses in this band cover approximately 50% of the geographic area of the United States.

In order to apply for a license in the Tribal Priority Window, there must be some spectrum on the channel and over the rural Tribal land that is not currently licensed to another licensee. If there is any unassigned spectrum, an eligible Tribal entity may choose to apply for an overlay license for the entire channel over the whole qualifying Tribal land. Once a license is issued, the Tribal licensee will immediately have the authority to operate in those areas and on those channels that are not licensed to another licensee*. The Tribal licensee will not have the authority to operate in areas covered by an existing license, even if the existing licensee is not operating in that area. If the existing license is cancelled or expired, however, the Tribal licensee will automatically acquire the authority to operate on rural Tribal land in the spectrum and area previously covered by the existing license.


* = you might have had 2 tribes "apply" for one or all of those frequencies in a contiguous area, so they might have some "process" that is "first come, first served" or some other criteria to determine who gets the frequencies.

The bigger issue for them, which would correspond with a lack of demand is (as noted by the FCC's announcement) - the caveat of "building out" and putting these frequencies "in use" within 2 years, which is often considered a tall order even for the big companies. The tribes that have casino income would have more money to be able to do that, but others, forget it.
 

ihas2stinkyfeet

(1,400 posts)
18. in the story i heard, they were already up and running.
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 01:29 PM
Oct 2020

they were on the road, and the chief was pointing out a tower.

keithbvadu2

(36,962 posts)
16. Another Nobel Prize that Donald was cheated out of.
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 12:22 PM
Oct 2020

Another Nobel Prize that Donald was cheated out of.

(Sarcasm thingie goes here)

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