'I shot two White kids': Records detail Kyle Rittenhouse's surrender to police, origin of gun

Response to reACTIONary (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 06:28 PM

DeminPennswoods (11,339 posts)

1. Shouldn't the friend also be facing

murder charges? He played a significant role by buying the gun then giving it to Rittenhouse.

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Sat Oct 31, 2020, 06:59 PM

Ford_Prefect (3,940 posts)

2. The question of accessory before the fact does come to mind.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 07:55 PM

jmowreader (44,334 posts)

4. He's definitely looking at a straw purchaser charge

Straw purchasing (buying a gun for someone legally unable to buy one himself, like a 17-year-old) is a federal offense that carries stiff penalties: 10 years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine.

Considering that the person who was straw-purchased for used the gun to murder people, I would imagine the feds are going to look at maxing out his sentence.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 10:31 PM

DallasNE (6,393 posts)

9. Exactly, And The Mom Should Also Face Charges

Especially since she also crossed state lines and knew he wasn't old enough to have that weapon unsupervised.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 10:32 PM

iluvtennis (14,667 posts)

10. + agree. I might drive my 17 year old to go attend in a rally, but no way is he getting out of

my car with an AR-15. What kind of parent does that?

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:48 AM

dware (3,602 posts)

23. That's false information,

the mom didn't drive him there, a friend did and the rifle wasn't stored at Rittenhouse's home in IL, it was stored at his friend's stepfather's home in WI, that's why IL isn't pressing any firearms charges against Kyle.

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Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:37 AM

iluvtennis (14,667 posts)

28. OK, thanks for the correction - much appreciated. nt

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:39 AM

dware (3,602 posts)

29. My pleasure.

I fervently hope that this murderer, if convicted, spends the rest of his life contemplating what he did, but, as in most cases, most RW'ers think this would be a badge of honor.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:46 AM

dware (3,602 posts)

22. According to the article,

a friend drove him there, not the mom, and the rifle was stored in WI at a friend's stepfather's home, that's why there are no firearms charges in IL.

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Response to dware (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:27 PM

DallasNE (6,393 posts)

34. WP Article Behind Pay Wall

The first news account was very much different that this convenient story being weaved by his lawyers. This, for instance, is the very first time that we have heard about this older friend living in Wisconsin. For now, I am taking this new story with a grain of salt. Oddly, the defense plans to call no witnesses -- not even this friend. Things are just too tidy -- and convenient.

Now the friend can say both weapons were his and avoid the straw purchase charge but it still leaves the possession issue. He didn't steal the AR-15.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 05:11 PM

reACTIONary (3,670 posts)

36. This is an extradition hearing...

... the hearing lasted a very short time and was based on the defenses claim that there was a 'technical flaw' in the extradition request. The judge said 'so what', banged his gavel, and off the kid went to be handed over to the other states police.

No witnesses are needed for this sort of decision.

The friend who bought the rifle for him has admitted to doing so, provided details of the transaction, and has acknowledged that he is in trouble. An admission in prejudice of self interest is not going to be easily denied.

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Response to dware (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:28 PM

DallasNE (6,393 posts)

35. WP Article Behind Pay Wall

The first news account was very much different that this convenient story being weaved by his lawyers. This, for instance, is the very first time that we have heard about this older friend living in Wisconsin. For now, I am taking this new story with a grain of salt. Oddly, the defense plans to call no witnesses -- not even this friend. Things are just too tidy -- and convenient.

Now the friend can say both weapons were his and avoid the straw purchase charge but it still leaves the possession issue. He didn't steal the AR-15.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 3, 2020, 10:59 AM

Marrah_Goodman (1,097 posts)

38. She should definitely face charges

She is a sorry excuse for a mother.

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Response to reACTIONary (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 07:53 PM

Ahpook (2,574 posts)

3. Aww he puked when he turned himself in

Fucking punk!

That article is a bit misleading or the writer didn't see the videos we all saw. It states they weren't sure why the fight started that lead to him shooting those people in the street

Well, the videos clearly show that motherfucker killing an innocent man 20 seconds prior to getting jumped by a few people in the street. I'd suggest they were trying to restrain him from doing anymore damage.

This fucking country protecting him, and people like him is infuriating!

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Response to Ahpook (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 08:03 PM

BigmanPigman (40,462 posts)

5. And what about his mother?

Did she drive him there knowing what he had in mind with a rifle?

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 08:10 PM

Ahpook (2,574 posts)

6. The article states a friend drove him there

The same friend that illegally purchased the gun for the psychopath.

I remember early reports of his mom buying the gun, and driving him there. Apparently false info!

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Response to Ahpook (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 08:11 PM

BigmanPigman (40,462 posts)

7. Thanks for the up to date info!

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Response to Ahpook (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 31, 2020, 09:21 PM

DeminPennswoods (11,339 posts)

8. That friend is in big, big trouble

He is going to be charged with murder, too.

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Response to reACTIONary (Original post)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 01:21 AM

Aussie105 (2,269 posts)

11. But . . . but . . .it was self defense!

Did he need to go to the rally?
No.
Did he need to be driven there?
No.
Did he need to bring the AR-15?
No.
Did he need to strut around like a Tough Guy with the AR-15 at the ready?
No.
Did he need to 'defend' himself?
No. (Definitely not if he came unarmed.)

Talk about putting yourself in harm's way, just so you can fire at somebody.

Hope he gets what he deserves. And the AR-15 supplier.

But don't be too hard on the mom. Assuming she isn't directly involved, she will still be beating herself up over not bringing the kid up right.

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Response to Aussie105 (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 04:23 AM

Sin (455 posts)

12. No the monster doesn't fall to far from Grendel's mother.

[link:https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ihv326/terrorist_kyle_rittenhouses_mother_wendy_the_same/|

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Response to Sin (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 06:17 AM

BumRushDaShow (74,183 posts)

13. In other words...

Link to tweet

TEXT

Linda Case
@lindacaseauthor
·
Aug 28, 2020
#morningjoe Drove minor son to Kenosha, allowed him to ILLEGALLY carry a weapon, then drove the kid home after murdering two people and maiming a third. If that isn’t Accessory to Murder, what is?
Link to tweet

Linda Case
@lindacaseauthor
Here’s the picture of mother Wendy Rittenhouse in Kenosha on the night her son killed two people in cold blood.
Image
7:04 AM · Aug 28, 2020

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 06:33 AM

reACTIONary (3,670 posts)

15. False...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/01/fact-check-photo-doesnt-show-kyle-rittenhouses-armed-mom-kenosha/5682081002/

Our ruling: False
A composite photo purported to be Kyle Rittenhouse's mother, Wendy, is not her. It is an image from a protest in Madison, not from a Kenosha protest. It’s cropped from a larger image of a handful of people with guns standing outside the state capitol two days earlier. We rate the claim FALSE.

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Response to Sin (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 06:32 AM

reACTIONary (3,670 posts)

14. USA Today says this is false...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/01/fact-check-photo-doesnt-show-kyle-rittenhouses-armed-mom-kenosha/5682081002/

Our ruling: False
A composite photo purported to be Kyle Rittenhouse's mother, Wendy, is not her. It is an image from a protest in Madison, not from a Kenosha protest. It’s cropped from a larger image of a handful of people with guns standing outside the state capitol two days earlier. We rate the claim FALSE.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 06:57 AM

BumRushDaShow (74,183 posts)

16. Here is his mother at his hearing

https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/nation-world/illinois-authorities-extradite-kyle-rittenhouse-to-wisconsin/E2XD4COTHVHVLJHJAYQSR22D7I/

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:06 AM

reACTIONary (3,670 posts)

17. So? nt

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:11 AM

BumRushDaShow (74,183 posts)

18. I think the larger point is

that if you have families who promote a "militia" type of mentality, it's often inevitable that their offspring will too.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:21 AM

reACTIONary (3,670 posts)

20. That is a reasonable supposition, but...

... posting unsourced and dubious photos is unnecessary to making that point and doesn't prove anything in this particular case. Let's keep it real!

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:29 AM

BumRushDaShow (74,183 posts)

21. The argument that the linked USA Today article is making

is that it is FALSE to say that the pic that was shared was taken at the same event as that where the shooting occurred. But it never addressed whether that was her or not.

But the old adage about the "apple not falling far from the tree" is as old as the hills and most likely applicable in this case, particularly when they have caught the attention of and have started hobnobbing with some of the most prominent of the RW loons.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:26 AM

reACTIONary (3,670 posts)

24. I don't think they addressed whether it was her or not because...

... there is no sure way of determining that. That being the case it isn't a good idea to claim that it is her. There is enough misinformation and outright deception circulating already, we don't need to add to it.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 09:35 AM

dware (3,602 posts)

25. I can't tell if the 2 pictures are of the same woman,

and you're right, there's enough misinformation and outright deception circulation without adding to it.

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Response to sl8 (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:40 AM

BumRushDaShow (74,183 posts)

30. However it also says

It’s unknown whether Rittenhouse’s mother had any involvement in bringing her son to Kenosha that day — but the image alleging to be mother and son is a fabrication, using a photo from a different place and time. but the image alleging to be mother and son is a fabrication, using a photo from a different place and time.

I.e., what was apparently being circulated were 2 separate photos that were falsely included together, whereas those images were from 2 different events.

Meaning they don't know.

Again the whole original point of the poster I replied to was that "the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree" and her embrace of and celebration by the likes of ilk like Michelle Malkin, underscores the familial politically-charged impact that this could have on him.

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Response to sl8 (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:54 AM

BumRushDaShow (74,183 posts)

32. I know this is silly

but they are being specific about what was being circulated as a picture of BOTH of them together, purportedly at the same event where the shooting took place, which was FALSE. So no, they have no idea what her involvement might have been at the shooting site.

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Response to reACTIONary (Original post)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 07:20 AM

lark (17,395 posts)

19. Lock up the friend as well.

Damn the destruction being done by right wingers and aided and abetted by drumpf and his fascist inJustice Dept.

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Sun Nov 1, 2020, 10:26 AM

Miigwech (3,669 posts)

26. Call him "Booger Boy" not 'boogaloo bois'

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Response to reACTIONary (Original post)

Sun Nov 1, 2020, 12:12 PM

NickB79 (15,496 posts)

33. So he committed a felony obtaining his rifle

Having a friend buy you a gun when you legally can't is a straw purchase. Very illegal for both of them.

38 replies	Author	Time	Post
'I shot two White kids': Records detail Kyle Rittenhouse's surrender to police, origin of gun (Original post)	reACTIONary	Oct 31	OP
Shouldn't the friend also be facing	DeminPennswoods	Oct 31	#1
The question of accessory before the fact does come to mind.	Ford_Prefect	Oct 31	#2
He's definitely looking at a straw purchaser charge	jmowreader	Oct 31	#4
Exactly, And The Mom Should Also Face Charges	DallasNE	Oct 31	#9
+ agree. I might drive my 17 year old to go attend in a rally, but no way is he getting out of	iluvtennis	Oct 31	#10
That's false information,	dware	Nov 1	#23
OK, thanks for the correction - much appreciated. nt	iluvtennis	Nov 1	#28
My pleasure.	dware	Nov 1	#29
According to the article,	dware	Nov 1	#22
WP Article Behind Pay Wall	DallasNE	Nov 1	#34
This is an extradition hearing...	reACTIONary	Nov 1	#36
WP Article Behind Pay Wall	DallasNE	Nov 1	#35
She should definitely face charges	Marrah_Goodman	Nov 3	#38
Aww he puked when he turned himself in	Ahpook	Oct 31	#3
And what about his mother?	BigmanPigman	Oct 31	#5
The article states a friend drove him there	Ahpook	Oct 31	#6
Thanks for the up to date info!	BigmanPigman	Oct 31	#7
That friend is in big, big trouble	DeminPennswoods	Oct 31	#8
But . . . but . . .it was self defense!	Aussie105	Nov 1	#11
No the monster doesn't fall to far from Grendel's mother.	Sin	Nov 1	#12
In other words...	BumRushDaShow	Nov 1	#13
False...	reACTIONary	Nov 1	#15
USA Today says this is false...	reACTIONary	Nov 1	#14
Here is his mother at his hearing	BumRushDaShow	Nov 1	#16
So? nt	reACTIONary	Nov 1	#17
I think the larger point is	BumRushDaShow	Nov 1	#18
That is a reasonable supposition, but...	reACTIONary	Nov 1	#20
The argument that the linked USA Today article is making	BumRushDaShow	Nov 1	#21
I don't think they addressed whether it was her or not because...	reACTIONary	Nov 1	#24
I can't tell if the 2 pictures are of the same woman,	dware	Nov 1	#25
This message was self-deleted by its author	sl8	Nov 1	#27
However it also says	BumRushDaShow	Nov 1	#30
This message was self-deleted by its author	sl8	Nov 1	#31
I know this is silly	BumRushDaShow	Nov 1	#32
Lock up the friend as well.	lark	Nov 1	#19
Call him "Booger Boy" not 'boogaloo bois'	Miigwech	Nov 1	#26
So he committed a felony obtaining his rifle	NickB79	Nov 1	#33
And, conceivably, the stepfather could be in trouble	TexasBushwhacker	Nov 2	#37

'I shot two White kids': Records detail Kyle Rittenhouse's surrender to police, origin of gun

1. Shouldn't the friend also be facing

2. The question of accessory before the fact does come to mind.

4. He's definitely looking at a straw purchaser charge

9. Exactly, And The Mom Should Also Face Charges

10. + agree. I might drive my 17 year old to go attend in a rally, but no way is he getting out of

23. That's false information,

28. OK, thanks for the correction - much appreciated. nt

29. My pleasure.

22. According to the article,

34. WP Article Behind Pay Wall

36. This is an extradition hearing...

35. WP Article Behind Pay Wall

38. She should definitely face charges

3. Aww he puked when he turned himself in

5. And what about his mother?

6. The article states a friend drove him there

7. Thanks for the up to date info!

8. That friend is in big, big trouble

11. But . . . but . . .it was self defense!

12. No the monster doesn't fall to far from Grendel's mother.

13. In other words...

15. False...

14. USA Today says this is false...

16. Here is his mother at his hearing

17. So? nt

18. I think the larger point is

20. That is a reasonable supposition, but...

21. The argument that the linked USA Today article is making

24. I don't think they addressed whether it was her or not because...

25. I can't tell if the 2 pictures are of the same woman,

30. However it also says

32. I know this is silly

19. Lock up the friend as well.

26. Call him "Booger Boy" not 'boogaloo bois'

33. So he committed a felony obtaining his rifle

37. And, conceivably, the stepfather could be in trouble