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appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 05:56 PM Nov 2020

Mexico, Brazil Leaders Silent As World Congratulates Biden

Source: AP News

MEXICO CITY (AP) — There were two notable holdouts among the world leaders who rushed to congratulate Joe Biden on his victory in the U.S. elections: the leaders of Latin America’s two largest countries, both of whom have been seen as friendly to President Donald Trump.

President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil, sometimes dubbed “the Trump of the Tropics” for his populist, off-the-cuff style, has kept silent on Trump’s loss. And Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador refused to congratulate Biden at this point, saying he would wait until the legal challenges over the vote were resolved.

Trump and the two Latin leaders are united by some surface similarities: They dislike wearing masks during the coronavirus pandemic, and all three can loosely be described as populist and nationalist. But the motives of the two Latin leaders may differ. Bolsonaro and his sons — who like Trump’s children play a role on the political scene — seem to be actively uncomfortable with the outcome of the U.S. race.

Bolsonaro, who previously expressed hope for Trump’s reelection and whose son wore hats with the logo “Trump 2020,” has kept largely silent this week, but his sons haven’t. Congressman Eduardo Bolsonaro posted images on social media questioning how Biden’s votes were rising so quickly in later counts, while Trump’s weren’t. The younger Bolsonaro also questioned networks’ decision to cut away from Trump’s speech on Wednesday alleging vote fraud, calling it an attack on freedom of speech...


Read more: https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-virus-outbreak-brazil-7a01d7338f850e5df861aac75d45af99





- Brazil President Jair Bolsonaro, the 'Trump of the Tropics.'




- Mexican President Andres Obrador.
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Mexico, Brazil Leaders Silent As World Congratulates Biden (Original Post) appalachiablue Nov 2020 OP
Que pasa, AMLO? sandensea Nov 2020 #1
Maybe their reluctance is justified, they know a lot more appalachiablue Nov 2020 #2
+1 sandensea Nov 2020 #3
No doubt you're right on AMLO. Glad you mentioned it. He is so different from Bolsonazi. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2020 #10
Thank you, Judi. sandensea Nov 2020 #11
Waiting on his latest statement safeinOhio Nov 2020 #4
Pero, claro! sandensea Nov 2020 #5
My thoughts, as well. NoRoadUntravelled Nov 2020 #12
As Cheeto once told Larry King: "I love revenge - it feels great!" sandensea Nov 2020 #13
Exactly. I understand their position and don't have the big picture regarding their NoRoadUntravelled Nov 2020 #14
Caladito, calladito, cagadito. nt Xipe Totec Nov 2020 #16
I am waiting for Vicente Fox to make a statement on Trump losing doc03 Nov 2020 #6
It would be priceless! Vicente's remarks helped people understand they weren't alone with this! ❤️️ Judi Lynn Nov 2020 #8
Duterte (Philippines) congratulates Biden BlueWavePsych Nov 2020 #7
That should warm Trump's heart cavity. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2020 #9
Mexico too busy writing the check. keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #15
I thought Mexico elected a progressive president? nt yaesu Nov 2020 #17
Yes - but he doesn't want to anger El Trompudo sandensea Nov 2020 #18
Oh ok, I thought maybe something happened to him like the Body Snatchers movie yaesu Nov 2020 #19
That does actually sound like Ecuador's Lenin Moreno sandensea Nov 2020 #20
They did. a la izquierda Nov 2020 #21
AMLO know Trump will do everything he can to overthrow the US government. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #22

sandensea

(21,624 posts)
1. Que pasa, AMLO?
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 06:03 PM
Nov 2020

Latin America's progressives are almost unanimous in their preference for - and celebration of - Biden's victory.

Why would what's arguably today's leading Latin American progressive figure choose to remain silent instead?

My guess is that he fears retaliation from His Orangeness - which, lest we forget, will still be in the Oval Office another 73 days.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
2. Maybe their reluctance is justified, they know a lot more
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 06:16 PM
Nov 2020

than the public on this sticky subject. Get it over with.

sandensea

(21,624 posts)
3. +1
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 06:19 PM
Nov 2020

And we know how vindictive Cheeto can be.

He no doubt wants to avoid any unnecessary problems, while the "threat" persists.

sandensea

(21,624 posts)
11. Thank you, Judi.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 07:38 PM
Nov 2020

Like Argentina's Fernandez, he's pragmatic.

Governing any Latin American country is a colossal challenge as it is, without aggravating U.S presidents unnecessarily.

And with the exception of Cuba, Venezuela and (until recently) Bolivia, Trump seems to have done a fairly good job of restraining himself from being disruptive in the region.

It's sometimes said in the Latin American press, that Trump understands that destabilizing moderate governments in the region risks having a full-blown crisis ensue - creating a vacuum which in all likelihood only extreme left-wing figures would benefit from.

Besides causing U.S. firms invested in those countries very large losses (which is what happened in the early '80s under many of those far-right dictatorships, as you know).

Trump, you see, has experience investing in the region, and is thus fairly well acquainted with these dynamics.

And as always, a little pragmatism never hurts.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
12. My thoughts, as well.
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 08:15 PM
Nov 2020

Maybe they're waiting to see whether Trump can find a way to stay in power and don't want to risk appearing unsupportive now lest they be punished later.
Not surprising. It's how Trump does business.

sandensea

(21,624 posts)
13. As Cheeto once told Larry King: "I love revenge - it feels great!"
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 08:20 PM
Nov 2020

Presidents from these more vulnerable countries would rather play it safe.

It's like that awful uncle at the Thanksgiving table, who weighs 300 lbs. and has a violent temper: everyone pretty much agrees it's best to be careful until he leaves.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
14. Exactly. I understand their position and don't have the big picture regarding their
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 08:26 PM
Nov 2020

interactions with Trump. If the last 4 years are any indication of what he's capable of, they may very well have good reason to be silent for now.

Judi Lynn

(160,524 posts)
8. It would be priceless! Vicente's remarks helped people understand they weren't alone with this! ❤️️
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 07:20 PM
Nov 2020

BlueWavePsych

(2,635 posts)
7. Duterte (Philippines) congratulates Biden
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 06:50 PM
Nov 2020
President Rodrigo Duterte on Sunday congratulated former Vice President Joseph “Joe” Biden for being elected the 46th President of the United States.

“On behalf of the Filipino nation, President Rodrigo Roa Duterte wishes to extend his warm congratulations to former Vice President Joseph “Joe” Biden on his election as the new President of the United States of America,” Presidential spokesman Harry Roque said.

https://www.manilatimes.net/2020/11/08/second-headline/duterte-congratulates-biden/792992/

Hmmm. An expedient populist.

sandensea

(21,624 posts)
20. That does actually sound like Ecuador's Lenin Moreno
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:19 AM
Nov 2020

Moreno, you'll recall, ran in 2017 on Rafael Correa's center-left ticket, after Correa's very successful decade in office (Moreno had been VP for most of that).

But almost immediately after being sworn in, and after an eloquent speech excoriating the financial fraud crises that had periodically troubled Ecuador before Correa took office in '07, Moreno swung to the right - and hard.

He quickly fell in lockstep behind Trump's neocon Latin America policy, playing a key role in dissolving UNASUR (the regional bloc developed during the 'pink tide' era a decade earlier) and going after Correa and his allies with fabricated notebooks - a possible inspiration for Rudy's "Hunter Biden laptop."

It really was as if Moreno had been replaced with a look-alike - but with an opposite agenda.

Moreno, btw, is poised to lose in 2022 elections to Correa's former Human Resources Minister Andrés Arauz.

I'd avoid falling asleep in strange places if I were Mr. Arauz.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
22. AMLO know Trump will do everything he can to overthrow the US government.
Mon Nov 9, 2020, 07:10 AM
Nov 2020

He also knows there are a lot of traitors in our government who are helping helping Trump in his quest.

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