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Happy Hoosier

(7,073 posts)
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 05:24 PM Nov 2020

Presidential race hand count completed in Floyd County: Just over 2,500 additional early votes tabul

Source: Rome News-Tribune

A replacement scanner used at the county administration building for early voting apparently did not tabulate just over 2,500 ballots, a hand recount revealed over the weekend.

Floyd County poll workers completed the hand recount of presidential election ballots in just under 16 hours of work ending Saturday.

Board of Elections Chairman Tom Rees said the hand count added over 2,500 more votes than were registered by computers on election night and the following morning.

According to Floyd County GOP Chairman Luke Martin and tentatively confirmed by Rees, there were an additional 1,643 votes for Republican President Donald Trump, 865 for Democrat President-elect Joe Biden and 16 for Libertarian Jo Jorgensen.

Read more: https://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/rome/news/local/presidential-race-hand-count-completed-in-floyd-county-just-over-2-500-additional-early-votes/article_c1365ce2-2818-11eb-8656-6b7f49a93a04.html



So, this reduces Joe's lead by 778 votes.

Notice MAGAts are not screaming about how these votes for Trump just popped up.

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Presidential race hand count completed in Floyd County: Just over 2,500 additional early votes tabul (Original Post) Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 OP
No, but they'll say this is proof there are votes out there for Trump that weren't counted.... Chakaconcarne Nov 2020 #1
Oh yes they will! oldsoftie Nov 2020 #2
Ha you are right. They will twist this into any pretzel they want LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #3
Holy Shit that's the worst fucking news we could have received. njhoneybadger Nov 2020 #4
Really? LisaL Nov 2020 #5
I can think of about a thousand AkFemDem Nov 2020 #11
Don't panic! Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #15
I guess I overreacted a wee bit. njhoneybadger Nov 2020 #18
lol Cha Nov 2020 #19
Yep cheezmaka Nov 2020 #21
Hopefully operator error or something DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2020 #6
Apparently their original scanner jammed and they got a replacement scanner. LisaL Nov 2020 #7
I wonder why they didn't realize this earlier??...or maybe they did and it is now in the news.. LeftInTX Nov 2020 #9
Not everybody votes for president. LisaL Nov 2020 #12
6-7% of the voters? LeftInTX Nov 2020 #14
Doesn't sound right to me. IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #17
It was human error. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #25
Never worked in polling IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #26
Or they skipped the check process. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #28
This Only Tells Part Of The Story DallasNE Nov 2020 #8
One would hope they would have corrected this without media attention and the presidential recount LeftInTX Nov 2020 #10
The decision to perform a hand count of ballots was ordered by SOS, not triggered by anything. LisaL Nov 2020 #13
hmm.. ucrdem Nov 2020 #16
Right with ya - Lokee11 Nov 2020 #22
LOL IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #23
Is that ratio in line with the rest of Floyd County in terms of the early vote breakdown? mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #20
If I was Biden, I would lawyer up and get some people down there to see what is going on. IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #24
More evidence to feed the conspiracy theories Steelrolled Nov 2020 #27

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
5. Really?
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 06:07 PM
Nov 2020

Worst would be if they found 25,000 ballots.
What they found is not going to change the outcome.

AkFemDem

(1,796 posts)
11. I can think of about a thousand
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 06:40 PM
Nov 2020

Headlines that would be worse than this but I’m not writing it down and tempting the fates.

This is not the end of the world, they’ve already recounted over 3 million of the 5 million votes. This was an anomaly, it will be fine.

Happy Hoosier

(7,073 posts)
15. Don't panic!
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 07:23 PM
Nov 2020

Reports from other counties are seeing nothing like this. Joe will still win this. Just keep an eye on the narrative.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,904 posts)
6. Hopefully operator error or something
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 06:10 PM
Nov 2020

Because that looks to be about a 6-7% miss on the total number of votes cast in that county. That isn't small.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
7. Apparently their original scanner jammed and they got a replacement scanner.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 06:12 PM
Nov 2020

Not sure why they lost votes during that process, but sounds like a replacement scanner maybe didn't scan very well.

LeftInTX

(24,546 posts)
9. I wonder why they didn't realize this earlier??...or maybe they did and it is now in the news..
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 06:24 PM
Nov 2020

Did they have local races that this will impact? I think that's the bigger question..
If they knew that 2500 votes would not change the outcome in other races, it may not have been a newsworthy issue as races were called...

But 2500 votes weren't tabulated...

Their rolls would show that these people voted, but 2500 votes weren't counted..

LeftInTX

(24,546 posts)
14. 6-7% of the voters?
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 06:43 PM
Nov 2020

Maybe they knew this and were going to fix it before the county certified the votes...

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
17. Doesn't sound right to me.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 08:20 PM
Nov 2020

They would have known how many votes they had fed into that scanner before they scanned them. Being that many votes off should have got someone's attention. Those totals are checked and rechecked.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
25. It was human error.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 12:46 AM
Nov 2020

One of the steps in most states on election night is to compare the ballots scanned + provsional ballots cast to the voters checked in. Had they cone that, the missing ballots would have been obvious. (This was the BOE, so similar procedures should apply there.)

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
26. Never worked in polling
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 01:39 AM
Nov 2020

But I have worked in the banking industry, which I would presume in many ways is similar. With any type of accounting system, there are always multiple checks and balances. Those checks and balances are referenced and cross referenced for protocols in finding errors. When there is a problem, you know exactly where to go to find the discrepancy.

The only explanation that makes sense to me is that they knew the totals were wrong, but since they had not certified their result yet, they were in the process of finding it and correcting it. But then again, I know the voting system that they are using in Georgia in new, so the competency of whoever was in charge of the count in that county could be a consideration.



Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
28. Or they skipped the check process.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 02:36 AM
Nov 2020

Things are pretty hectic at the end of the night. In Ohio, they have been on duty since 6 AM, and - if all goes well - they leave between 8:30 and 9:30 PM. They each get perhaps 3 short breaks during that period.

There are tons of things to do during the closing period (varying slightly depending on the voting machines): Close the election and run the tapes. One copy gets signed, one goes on the door to the polling place. Remove the ballots, confirm that none were diverted as over/under-votes - or were in a compartment where no ballots should be. Compare the check-in total to the combined total of all machines + provisional ballots cast. Remove and pack up the memory cards in bags with one set of tapes and security seals. Count/pack up the unused ballots and provisional envelopes. Each of these tasks requires one member of each party to be present as a check and balance). This year there was a fair amount of extra general cleaning because of COVID 10.

In the precinct I was observing, I don't recall seeing the confirmation process - I had been asked to report vote totals as quickly as possible to the Dem Voter Protection - which required adding several numbers from the 9 sets of paper tapes in our polling location. I assume it happened, but didn't see it.

The memory cards and any leftover voting materials get taken back to the central voting location (in a car that includes at least one R and one D). The memory cards are then checked in - again confirmed by both an R and a D.

In this case, what appears to have happened was a swap of a malfunctioning machine with a functioning one. So if they confirmed the totals on all of the machines (including both machines) they would have matched. But (and there appears to be some dispute over this), one of the memory cards was left in a machine. The votes on that card weren't included in the state tally. Ordinarly that would be discovered with the memory check-in process - but if a memory card was omitted, it might have appeared that there were the correct number of cards anyway since the number of cards matched the number of machines functioning at any one time.

My understanding is that they did NOT catch it - until the recount when they noticed a discrepancy between checked in voters and the combined results for the facility. So - but for the recount - it is possible it would not have been caught. (It is also possible that without a recount that an additional check would have prevented certification without closely matched checkings v. votes - my expertise is on the machines and processes prior to the certification.)

DallasNE

(7,392 posts)
8. This Only Tells Part Of The Story
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 06:22 PM
Nov 2020

The audit log from the scanner probably indicated something was wrong with the original tabulation and that triggered the decision to perform a hand count of the ballots. I doubt that the County had certified the earlier count meaning this was discovered as part of the audit each county performs prior to certification. Because of the news reports they likely did the count following procedures for a recount so they would only have to do this once.

Even after this count Biden still leads in Georgia by 14,000 votes.

LeftInTX

(24,546 posts)
10. One would hope they would have corrected this without media attention and the presidential recount
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 06:27 PM
Nov 2020

This affects down ballot races.

(Not that I'm rooting for Republicans, but it is what it is)

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
13. The decision to perform a hand count of ballots was ordered by SOS, not triggered by anything.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 06:41 PM
Nov 2020

Ga is hand recounting presidential race.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
16. hmm..
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 07:44 PM
Nov 2020

smells funny .. early ballots 2 to 1 favoring Trump and they just happen not to have been counted?

Lokee11

(235 posts)
22. Right with ya -
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:11 PM
Nov 2020

Not saying it is true, not saying it isn't. But the Greedy Ol' Party and every single one of their fucked up members have only provided reason for me to distrust every word they spew from their lying lips - those fuckers say the sky is blue and I swear I will walk outside to make sure it did not just turn red.

FDT and the GOP!!

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
23. LOL
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 12:25 AM
Nov 2020

Right on bro. Right there with ya. If they say it's white, the fact of the matter is that is black. And if they say it is black, well the fact of the matter is that it is white.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
20. Is that ratio in line with the rest of Floyd County in terms of the early vote breakdown?
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 09:23 PM
Nov 2020

If not ... well that would be odd.

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
24. If I was Biden, I would lawyer up and get some people down there to see what is going on.
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 12:28 AM
Nov 2020

DON'T TRUST EM!!!

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
27. More evidence to feed the conspiracy theories
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 02:06 AM
Nov 2020

Given how complex our voting system is, I have always assumed there are always errors like this, and no-one notices or they get swept under the rug. It seems to be a don't-tell don't-ask system.

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