Trump campaign revises Pennsylvania suit, again

[brooklynite]

Source: Politico

President Donald Trump’s campaign has filed yet another version of its lawsuit over the election results in Pennsylvania, now contending that he should be named the victor in the presidential contest there or that the state legislature be given the authority to assign the state’s 20 electoral votes.

The third iteration of the suit also restores legal claims dropped in the second version that the campaign’s constitutional rights were violated because of allegedly inadequate access for observers during the processing of mail-in ballots.

The campaign eliminated those claims in a version of the suit filed on Sunday, but Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani has said that was due to a miscommunication prompted by harassment and threats directed at lawyers who represented the campaign.

The new complaint claims 1.5 million mail-in or absentee votes in seven Pennsylvania counties “should not have been counted” and that the disputed votes resulted “in returns indicating Biden won Pennsylvania.”

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/18/trump-pennsylvania-election-lawsuit-437996

[Blue Owl]

1. Oh FFS

Donald... DONALD... Please just GO. AWAY.

[PJMcK]

2. All of this legal nonsense is to simply delay the inevitable

Trump & Co. know that they don't have any cases. They're just dragging out the time until they have to begin the transition in order to kneecap the Biden Administration.

I'm not a lawyer but I wonder if there is a legal mechanism that President-Elect Biden could employ to force Trump to comply with the transition laws.

[brooklynite]

3. There is NO legal mechanism until there is a legally recognized President-Elect

At a minimum it requires State certifications by enough States to give Biden the Electoral College votes he needs.

[PJMcK]

4. Thanks for the response

Apparent President-Elect Biden has very limited options until December 14th.

Interesting. Many of our election laws, it seems, never anticipated the kind of shit-show that someone like Trump could throw.

[regnaD kciN]

9. Not really...

...as Ghouliani himself admitted, the whole purpose here is to produce a case that can be taken to SCOTUS -- they want a "friendly" court to rule that the state must be awarded to Trump, no matter what the "apparent" final vote count was. Now, it seems to me that this is really unlikely to even prevail in front of an uber-friendly packed Court, but, even if it did (and it would be an enduring blot on the nation if they complied), they'd still need to find a way to get similar flips in not one but two of AZ/GA/WI (and Rudy can't be everywhere at once). And I'm pretty sure that, if they pulled off theft on that grand and obvious a scale, it would mark the end of the United States of America.

[PJMcK]

11. Fair enough

And yet, even if Giuliani could get a case to SCOTUS, he couldn't plead it! His ineptitude in the lower courts would make a mockery of the Supreme Court.

Again, this strategy is simply a delaying tactic to hobble the beginning of the Biden Administration.

Trump & Co. know they've lost. They're trying to create difficulties for the incoming team.

[C_U_L8R]

5. The judge is going to make mincemeat of Giuliani and Trump.

I hope we get to hear it.

[Doodley]

6. Quarter a million dead and rising rapidly. What is Trump doing about it? Nothing. He can't even

tell folk to wear a mask. So, why would he even begin to think that he deserves to be re-elected when he is the worst president in the history of America and the poorest loser of all the losers who ever existed?

[BootinUp]

7. this shouldnt last long. nt

[regnaD kciN]

10. Once again, it doesn't matter how long it lasts at the district court level...

...only how quickly they can get it through those levels and submit it to the SCOTUS. That's were the real hearing will count.

[PJMcK]

12. Why would SCOTUS take any of Giuliani's cases?

They're all inconsequential.

[BootinUp]

14. You think they have an actual case

that the SC would take? They do not.

[mr_lebowski]

8. They already went to court on the day of the election and got a judge to say okay fine ...

your people can move closer. Which they presumably did.

NOW they want to argue, after the fact, after they lost ... that what the previous judge granted them was not good enough and therefore 1.5M voters must be disenfranchised?

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.

In fact, IIRC, the PA Supreme Court ruled the other day that they should not have even gotten the accommodation they were granted on election day in the first place, that the original distance was fine and legal.

This is going to be laughed out of the courtroom.

And it's time for sanctions on this bullshit.

[thucythucy]

13. I was just now thinking isn't it about time

someone got held in contempt for wasting the court's time like this?

[iluvtennis]

15. trump's contention is that mail-in votes don't count. WTF is wrong with him/his thugs. US has

been using mail in absentee ballots for umpteen years. There isn't anything illegal about them. what a jackass.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. No. Not his contention.

He contends that mail-in votes don't count only in states he is losing.

[iluvtennis]

27. agree - I stand corrected :-) nt

[thenelm1]

16. The court decision I want to see from PA or anywhere?

FUCK OFF!!

[marble falls]

17. If he keeps refining it down enough, the suit will end up as aggravated mopery with an intent ...

... to maliciously dawdle.

[JohnnyRingo]

18. Just throwing shit against the wall.

Trying to find one that sticks.
Trump believes there are loyal supporters in the courts and state legislation that will go to the mat for him. He may be right, but let's hope they decide to do the right thing, like those electors in Detroit.

[usajumpedtheshark]

19. Trump is trying keep them from certifying election results by the state deadline so

tne legislature will be able to step in and appoint electors.

[EllieBC]

20. That's the "safe harbor" date, right?

That’s what concerns me. A friend sent me this and it made me shudder to think about if he is successful.

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/dec.-8-safe-harbor-deadline-is-a-critical-date-in-nightmare-election-scenarios

[appleannie1]

21. I have been a poll worker many times. We NEVER allowed watchers to be even 6 feet away from us.

The watcher table has always been at least 10 to 15 feet away. And why even have an election if you think state legislatures should just name who they want?

[duforsure]

22. So, in other words trump wants to bypass the American peoples vote because he lost

And give a few others the right to determine the outcome in his favor. Then if that doesn't work he'll try to do it with electors, and if that doesn't work then pressure the Supreme Court to change it in his favor. trump is desperate now to turn this election of Biden over because he lost , but has the power of the Presidency, and is abusing it to do so. trump is corrupt and a fraud, and this cannot be allowed.

[bucolic_frolic]

24. The election lawsuits are projection - his favorite strategy

Let me be less obtuse. IMO, the election fraud is in the election lawsuits.

[Happy Hoosier]

25. Just a note: This is technically a "request" to alter the complaint.

Since the complaint has been altered once already, the plaintiff's need the consent of the defendants (not gonna happen) or the judge. The defendants have until noon today to file a response. And Then the judge will decide whether or not to permit the amendment.

[BMW2020RT]

26. Undead lawsuits

I will not be surprised if Mr. Trump continues to challenge the election results right up to the day he leaves the White House and beyond so long as he has a steady stream of contributions to his legal assault fund. If that revenue stream dries up he may call off his lawyers, but I do not expect him to ever acknowledge he lost the election.