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brooklynite

(94,377 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:04 PM Nov 2020

Trump fears Giuliani, other lawyers in Biden vote challenge are 'fools that are making him look bad'

Source: CNBC

President Donald Trump is sweating over his campaign lawyers’ dismal and often outlandish efforts to reverse President-elect Joe Biden’s projected electoral victory.

Trump is worried that his campaign’s legal team, which is being led by his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, is comprised of “fools that are making him look bad,” NBC News reported Monday.

That crew, which has unironically called itself an “elite strike force team,” to date has failed to win any legal victories that would invalidate votes for Biden, the former Democratic vice president, even as the legal eagles tout wildly broad claims of fraud for which they have offered no convincing evidence.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/trump-fears-giuliani-and-other-biden-vote-challenge-lawyers-are-fools.html

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Trump fears Giuliani, other lawyers in Biden vote challenge are 'fools that are making him look bad' (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2020 OP
Ya think? lkinwi Nov 2020 #1
HE'S RIGHT!! IT'S A LIBERAL PLOT!!!! AZ8theist Nov 2020 #101
Trump needs no one else to make him look like a fool mdbl Nov 2020 #110
Ya think! CatMor Nov 2020 #2
You get canetoad Nov 2020 #3
Or with tRump what you don't pay for. R Merm Nov 2020 #62
Whatever do you mean, loserboy? Leghorn21 Nov 2020 #4
Somebody needs to make the "Downfall" clip in which... LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #92
I'd say Yes. But let's call in Sherlock Holmes to investigate this mystery Mike 03 Nov 2020 #5
Agreed... Zoonart Nov 2020 #10
Trump looks bad all by himself; he doesn't need Rudy to do it for him. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #6
You took the words out of my mouth! OldBaldy1701E Nov 2020 #51
+2 hibbing Nov 2020 #58
I'd pay-per-view the hell out of that! Danascot Nov 2020 #98
And you tied one of the fools to the hip with your AG exboyfil Nov 2020 #7
For once, Donald is correct. patricia92243 Nov 2020 #8
Not hard to make tRump look bad, but yes, they are fools too. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #9
Well sure, but he already did that on his own. AllyCat Nov 2020 #11
Hans? underpants Nov 2020 #12
Not true - He is the fool and Giuliani is merely what Trump serves kansasobama Nov 2020 #13
Trump is throwing them under the bus to save face Just_Vote_Dem Nov 2020 #14
Not a hard task rustysgurl Nov 2020 #15
The Irony is strong in this one Yonnie3 Nov 2020 #16
Nowhere man. Fool on the hill. LakeArenal Nov 2020 #73
It's only a fool who never felt like one. WheelWalker Nov 2020 #82
I also think of this tune by the Beatles LakeArenal Nov 2020 #85
It is interesting because I thought of G.W. Bush when I heard that song while he was president Escurumbele Nov 2020 #105
I'm hoping that one day Yonnie3 Nov 2020 #107
Trump has got a fantastic lawyer in Ellis COLGATE4 Nov 2020 #17
Donny's a little late to his own party... Blue Owl Nov 2020 #18
Takes a fool to know one Fat Nixon gohuskies Nov 2020 #19
Some good quotes in the article. Mme. Defarge Nov 2020 #20
Trump and his allies are now 1-35 in post-election litigation. Botany Nov 2020 #21
So, Donald is finally getting what he actually paid for, Mme. Defarge Nov 2020 #22
Looking bad is what Trump does best. Chainfire Nov 2020 #23
Who wants to break it to Don that he looked bad long before Rudy and company came along? Vinca Nov 2020 #24
It's never him, is it? It's never his narcissistic core, right? Firestorm49 Nov 2020 #25
Trump doesn't need their help in that. TeamPooka Nov 2020 #26
This is The Onion, right? Paul Politerude Nov 2020 #27
Always somebody else's fault, isn't it. Grokenstein Nov 2020 #28
Truman: The buck stops here. keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #93
So the chief circus clown is... maddogesq Nov 2020 #29
That is a very short stretch yourhighnesty. world wide wally Nov 2020 #30
He makes himself look bad on his own. JI7 Nov 2020 #31
Only the best people right? Gregory Peccary Nov 2020 #32
ALWAYS good to keep MyOwnPeace Nov 2020 #53
The whole enterprise is foolish greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #33
Nothing gets past our oh-so-sharp "president." Paladin Nov 2020 #34
Hey, Donald! You've got to dance with the partner you brought to the dance. MineralMan Nov 2020 #35
Mineral Man.............. MyOwnPeace Nov 2020 #55
Duh, kinda late beachbumbob Nov 2020 #36
We're treating a mental condition /nt bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #37
I wonder what made him think that? yellowcanine Nov 2020 #38
Look bad? LOL onetexan Nov 2020 #39
This is what happens when you surround yourself with obsequious toadies. Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #40
"Do these pants make my ass look fat?" "No, it's your fat ass." William Seger Nov 2020 #41
...And he IS a horse's ASS!... Illumination Nov 2020 #46
The lawyers are mere actors handed a badly flawed script bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #42
No legal team could make his preposterous position NOT look bad (n/t) thesquanderer Nov 2020 #43
Wow dude! Get a brain!... Illumination Nov 2020 #44
Ah Donnie, that plane left the hanger some time ago. sarge43 Nov 2020 #45
LOL! Like saying "It was the script!" PaulRevere08 Nov 2020 #47
If Rudy is purposely messing with Trump's head, he's conning the con. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #48
That's rich coming from this shitshow president ResistantAmerican17 Nov 2020 #49
Making Trump look bad is hardly a stretch. 11 Bravo Nov 2020 #50
Nah buddy ....you do that all by yourself!! Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #52
Oh, horses**t! Jirel Nov 2020 #54
Well, duh! True Blue American Nov 2020 #56
The fool he needs to worry about stares at him when he trowels his tan on. marble falls Nov 2020 #57
Ditto to every single post above. Marie Marie Nov 2020 #59
No shit, Sherlock, you handpicked them all Hekate Nov 2020 #60
Interesting. BigDemVoter Nov 2020 #61
"the best people" the oRange sh!tgibbon hires make him look bad???? Lock him up. Nov 2020 #63
Who's the bigger fool? The fool or the ones who hire them for legal ET Awful Nov 2020 #64
IT is categorically impossible relayerbob Nov 2020 #65
ROFL ananda Nov 2020 #66
Well. . . matt819 Nov 2020 #67
Too Busy To Read All The Comments But Ya Think And You Get What You Pay For DanieRains Nov 2020 #68
Section 8 tiptonic Nov 2020 #69
Sadly, there are no golf resorts in mental hospitals so he'll reject the suggestion. Lock him up. Nov 2020 #72
TRUMP IS MAKING AMERICA LOOK BAD Skittles Nov 2020 #70
ha ha ha ..... Donald Rump is making HIMSELF look bad. He should not blame anyone else. trueblue2007 Nov 2020 #71
Hey Donald, hate to tell you, everything and everyone around you truthisfreedom Nov 2020 #74
No one is making you look bad, Trump. You do that on your own. sakabatou Nov 2020 #75
That's what happens when you surround yourself with LOSERS TheCowsCameHome Nov 2020 #76
What results do you expect if your lawfirm is Jackass, Jackass & Jackass! vishnura Nov 2020 #77
Like he needs help? VA_Jill Nov 2020 #78
They are the best he can get. Turbineguy Nov 2020 #79
No fear, Donald, it's not your lawyers making you look bad. n/t malthaussen Nov 2020 #80
Rudy is the lawyer Trump deserves. TNNurse Nov 2020 #81
So much for "only hiring the best people" Wounded Bear Nov 2020 #83
Trump doesn't need assistance looking bad Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2020 #84
Now he's worried? Now he's worried he looks bad! Ha, HA, Ha, Ha. A little too late! Fla Dem Nov 2020 #86
This really ought to be the "Fuck it..." moment for everyone still holding on to this dolt... EarthFirst Nov 2020 #87
When one fool surrounds himself with a bunch of other fools Aussie105 Nov 2020 #88
Pretty much describes the GOP since 1995 sandensea Nov 2020 #91
Thanks for sharing that. There's nothing like it! Thank you, sandensea. 🎆🎇👑❤️️ Judi Lynn Nov 2020 #115
Glad you liked it, Judi sandensea Nov 2020 #116
Hey, Dollhands Donny. You don't need a bunch of fools to make you look bad. LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #89
"Elite strike force team" -- LOL! The jokes write themselves. es466 Nov 2020 #90
What a jackass trump is. Even top lawyer in US could do nothing with his "no evidence" of election iluvtennis Nov 2020 #94
... pazzyanne Nov 2020 #95
Starting to get an inkling, like a big dumb animal that's been hit with a tranq dart, and is dimly Mc Mike Nov 2020 #96
MAGA Haberman tweeted some version of the same greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #97
Easiest job in the world. marmar Nov 2020 #99
And the Captain Obvious Award goes to...... MustLoveBeagles Nov 2020 #100
Riiiiiiiighttttttt. warmfeet Nov 2020 #102
Is it possible to make him look worst than how he has looked for four years, and continues to do so? Escurumbele Nov 2020 #103
just now assessing your legal team? Really did check out huh? Evolve Dammit Nov 2020 #104
Cue the twodogsbarking Nov 2020 #106
That ship has sailed... Honest_Abe Nov 2020 #108
Giuliani says he has 'insurance.' Wolf Frankula Nov 2020 #109
This from the Orange Pinocchio Clown that touted injecting disinfectant as a cure for COVID? DSandra Nov 2020 #111
You make yourself look bad. Rudy adds the stink. nt Hotler Nov 2020 #112
"Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...Here I am, stuck in the middle with you" friendly_iconoclast Nov 2020 #113
Only the best fools Major Nikon Nov 2020 #114
You get what you pay for. Chump doesn't pay anyone, so he Hassler Nov 2020 #117
And yet he keeps rehiring him. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #118
twittle D and Twittle Dumb IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #119
Elder abuse coolhandlulu Nov 2020 #120

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
110. Trump needs no one else to make him look like a fool
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 08:48 PM
Nov 2020

he already looks that way all by himself.

LudwigPastorius

(9,110 posts)
92. Somebody needs to make the "Downfall" clip in which...
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 06:59 PM
Nov 2020

Trump finally finds out Giuliani is an incompetent, embarrassing asshat.


The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,615 posts)
6. Trump looks bad all by himself; he doesn't need Rudy to do it for him.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:06 PM
Nov 2020

But Rudy and the rest of the occupants of his legal clown car aren't helping. His Lardship's problem, though, is that all the lawyers who want to protect their licenses and their reputations want no part of this clusterfuck. Maybe he'll have to start arguing his claims pro se - and wouldn't that be a sight to behold?

OldBaldy1701E

(5,092 posts)
51. You took the words out of my mouth!
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:02 PM
Nov 2020

I was also going to say that he needs no help looking bad. He is perfectly capable of doing that all by himself.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
7. And you tied one of the fools to the hip with your AG
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:07 PM
Nov 2020

in a plot to use foreign policy to frame a political opponent.

This is just an extension of that behavior.

kansasobama

(609 posts)
13. Not true - He is the fool and Giuliani is merely what Trump serves
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:10 PM
Nov 2020

Okay, here comes the blame game. It is always someone else.

Just_Vote_Dem

(2,798 posts)
14. Trump is throwing them under the bus to save face
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:10 PM
Nov 2020

They're doing exactly what he wanted them to do, now he does he usual schitck of pretending the failures are all their fault. They all suck LOL

rustysgurl

(1,040 posts)
15. Not a hard task
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:11 PM
Nov 2020

In this case, Trump is getting what he's paid for. And considering he never pays his bills, his legal defense team is the BEST money hasn't bought.

Yonnie3

(17,422 posts)
16. The Irony is strong in this one
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:11 PM
Nov 2020

Thinking of him out of office brings this to mind. Hopefully we will get there.

Escurumbele

(3,379 posts)
105. It is interesting because I thought of G.W. Bush when I heard that song while he was president
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 08:20 PM
Nov 2020

Because Bush was really a fool, an empty head. I don't know if he was evil, almost like a child who is just happy to be called "president", and if I recall correctly, I think he said so at one time.

Cheney is evil, no doubt about it, but GW was more of a fool, an idiot placed in the presidency just to allow the evil gang to do the dirty work behind the scenes, then they told him what to say and he happily did.

trump is a fool, no doubt about it, he is also an ignorant, but he is evil as well. If he had been just a little bit intelligent, and a little less narcissistic, he would have never run for office. A person who thinks a little hard would have known that there was too much dirt in his life for it to not come out. I understand that he thought of the presidency as a personal coffer where he could take the money and pay his debts with a lot of extra change, a gigantic grifter, ready to take it all.

But yeah, G.W. Bush, to me, is the perfect "Fool on the Hill".

Wonderful song, shame on us to associate it to such jackasses

Yonnie3

(17,422 posts)
107. I'm hoping that one day
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 08:36 PM
Nov 2020

once the course of the country is reversed and is moving ahead and the evils are dissipated, that this song fits.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
17. Trump has got a fantastic lawyer in Ellis
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:11 PM
Nov 2020

who knows so little about litigation to believe that a judge exchanging meaningless pleasantries with one attorney means that he is going to favor that attorney in the proceedings over which he is presiding. A first semester law student wouldn't make that frankly stupid assumption.

gohuskies

(1,155 posts)
19. Takes a fool to know one Fat Nixon
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:13 PM
Nov 2020

God even more projection from the king Loser himself. This is beyond pathetic.

Botany

(70,449 posts)
21. Trump and his allies are now 1-35 in post-election litigation.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:16 PM
Nov 2020


BTW I think the 1 "victory" changed 0 votes.

Firestorm49

(4,030 posts)
25. It's never him, is it? It's never his narcissistic core, right?
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:19 PM
Nov 2020

It’s never HIS sheer stupidity, it’s never his blatant lack of constitutional understanding, it’s never his ego, ......................................God I hate that childish fool.

maddogesq

(1,245 posts)
29. So the chief circus clown is...
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:23 PM
Nov 2020

blaming the other clowns for making him look like a clown.

When is this shit show ever going to end?

MyOwnPeace

(16,920 posts)
53. ALWAYS good to keep
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:06 PM
Nov 2020

bringing that one up again. After all, it was another one of his "promises" that helped get him elected, right?

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
33. The whole enterprise is foolish
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:26 PM
Nov 2020

Trump should have conceded the election gracefully on Saturday, November 7. His continued refusal to do so is only compounding foolishness with evil.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
34. Nothing gets past our oh-so-sharp "president."
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:29 PM
Nov 2020

Let's hear it for that "elite strike force team." Keep the grand favors to Democrats coming, guys and gals.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
35. Hey, Donald! You've got to dance with the partner you brought to the dance.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:30 PM
Nov 2020

And then you have to take her/him home afterward.

You pick 'em; you stick with 'em.

MyOwnPeace

(16,920 posts)
55. Mineral Man..............
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:11 PM
Nov 2020

I've thought of you as really being up on what's happening - but I'm afraid you've missed something here.

"You pick 'em; you stick with 'em."

I'm sorry, but as Ivana and Marla will tell you - "Donnie don't play that way!"

Happy Hoosier

(7,221 posts)
40. This is what happens when you surround yourself with obsequious toadies.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:35 PM
Nov 2020

They will tell you what you want to hear, even when it's complete bullshit.

bucolic_frolic

(43,064 posts)
42. The lawyers are mere actors handed a badly flawed script
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:40 PM
Nov 2020

The problem is with the idiot behind the strategy

sarge43

(28,940 posts)
45. Ah Donnie, that plane left the hanger some time ago.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:50 PM
Nov 2020

They have made you look bad ... if it's possible to make you look any worse than you already do.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
48. If Rudy is purposely messing with Trump's head, he's conning the con.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:58 PM
Nov 2020

What if Rudy's nutty antics are meant to deliberately destroy Trump's possibilities of overturning the election?

Rudy would be a hero of democracy. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

Jirel

(2,014 posts)
54. Oh, horses**t!
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:07 PM
Nov 2020

This is at best unsubstantiated rumor, at worst just another Dump campaign ploy to set up Rudy and Co to take the blame with his supporters when his ass is ejected.

Look. They're HIS lawyers. If he was really "fearing" they make him look bad, he could stop that in 30 seconds. One text message. "Rudy and Co, stop all legal action immediately, we're done."

But he isn't making that call. They're doing exactly what he wants them to be doing. He just wants to be able to turn to the halfway-disgusted contingent of his base and say, "Vote for me in 2024. Woe is me, Rudy was such a loose cannon."

BigDemVoter

(4,149 posts)
61. Interesting.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:32 PM
Nov 2020

They ARE fools, and they ARE making him look even worse, but I find it funny that Trump won't recognize his OWN role in making himself look like an idiot. Of course it's no shock; he NEVER takes responsibility for anything, and he's the one who asked them to make outlandish claims. . .

Lock him up.

(6,921 posts)
63. "the best people" the oRange sh!tgibbon hires make him look bad????
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:38 PM
Nov 2020
Please someone, somewhere, anywhere: LOCK HIM UP b4 it's too late.

Thanks from the whole wide world!

relayerbob

(6,537 posts)
65. IT is categorically impossible
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:41 PM
Nov 2020

To make him look any worse than he already does. They are simply reflecting his idiocy

matt819

(10,749 posts)
67. Well. . .
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:45 PM
Nov 2020

On the one hand, it's very difficult to make trump look worse than he already is, and has been.

On the other hand, Giuliani and his band of clowns have in fact managed to make trump look worse.

That said, we've already seen that there is no bottom with trump, so there's no telling who or what will make him look worse. Continuing this farce is one way, of course. Not conceding is a good way to look worse. Not authorizing the release of transition funds goes a long way to making him look worse. And then there's the whole coup/not leaving the White House thing. So, there's lots of room for looking worse, and more stupid and evil.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
68. Too Busy To Read All The Comments But Ya Think And You Get What You Pay For
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:46 PM
Nov 2020

Comes to mind....

Carry on....

tiptonic

(765 posts)
69. Section 8
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:49 PM
Nov 2020

Benedict donald, should go ahead and apply for a 'section 8', mental discharge. He could get the same doctor, that wrote his bone spurs note for the draftboard, to evaluate him. That way, he could live out his live at the expense of the tax payers, in some mental hospital and not have to go to jail. Seems simple enough to me.

trueblue2007

(17,194 posts)
71. ha ha ha ..... Donald Rump is making HIMSELF look bad. He should not blame anyone else.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 05:59 PM
Nov 2020

Last edited Mon Nov 23, 2020, 08:32 PM - Edit history (1)

truthisfreedom

(23,140 posts)
74. Hey Donald, hate to tell you, everything and everyone around you
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 06:06 PM
Nov 2020

Makes you look bad. As you remain above ground, you’ll make America look bad along with you.

EarthFirst

(2,899 posts)
87. This really ought to be the "Fuck it..." moment for everyone still holding on to this dolt...
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 06:38 PM
Nov 2020

There isn’t a god damned thing for trying that anyone is going to do to satisfy this narcissist.

At this point; they all ought to just walk away saying:

“Fuck it Donald; you’re on your own...”

Aussie105

(5,334 posts)
88. When one fool surrounds himself with a bunch of other fools
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 06:41 PM
Nov 2020

it's hard to tell who is to blame for the mess they create.

Of course, it's never Trump's fault.

sandensea

(21,604 posts)
116. Glad you liked it, Judi
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 10:56 PM
Nov 2020

That song comes to mind a lot whenever Republicans come up in conversation.

No idea why...

LudwigPastorius

(9,110 posts)
89. Hey, Dollhands Donny. You don't need a bunch of fools to make you look bad.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 06:52 PM
Nov 2020

You can do that all week long and twice on Sunday.

iluvtennis

(19,835 posts)
94. What a jackass trump is. Even top lawyer in US could do nothing with his "no evidence" of election
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 07:09 PM
Nov 2020

irregularities. Guess he wants them to fabricate data.

From all of the news reports I've read or watched on TV, even Ghouliani knew he couldn't present a case of fraud to judges without evidence as it would put his law license at risk. So he and the other "strike force" team simply presented the fraud to news conferences.

Mc Mike

(9,111 posts)
96. Starting to get an inkling, like a big dumb animal that's been hit with a tranq dart, and is dimly
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 07:37 PM
Nov 2020

beginning to recognize it feels 'funny'.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
97. MAGA Haberman tweeted some version of the same
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 07:40 PM
Nov 2020

Obviously the Trumpy spin on things.

Putting idiot Rudy in charge was a hedge. if he won, great. If he lost, he's a fool anyway and they can throw him under the bus, too.

So, here we are.

MustLoveBeagles

(11,583 posts)
100. And the Captain Obvious Award goes to......
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 07:55 PM
Nov 2020


Seriously, Capt. Trumps needs no help in looking bad. Although his legal team, if you can call them that, aren't helping any.

The Doobie Brothers - What A Fool Believes

Escurumbele

(3,379 posts)
103. Is it possible to make him look worst than how he has looked for four years, and continues to do so?
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 08:11 PM
Nov 2020

Giuliani has the goods on trump, anyone remember when Giuliani said "he had insurance"? Well, he does...Giuliani must have so much dirt on trump and that is why he is kept as a "lawyer"...

I would love to see a prosecution of both trump and Giuliani, and the two of them being witness against the other...can one imagine all the corruption these two thugs have between them? I bet a lot of dirt would come out from Giuliani from his time as Mayor of NY.

Wolf Frankula

(3,598 posts)
109. Giuliani says he has 'insurance.'
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 08:40 PM
Nov 2020

tRump turns on him, my guess he has enough to send tRump to prison for the rest of his life.

Wolf

LiberalLovinLug

(14,165 posts)
118. And yet he keeps rehiring him.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 11:45 PM
Nov 2020

Just can't quit him.

The fact that Rudy just keeps going even after the Borat film showed him not only a fool, but a perverted fool, speaks volumes.

Sleazeballs cannot see other sleazeballs.

coolhandlulu

(148 posts)
120. Elder abuse
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:51 AM
Nov 2020

Giuliani was the only lawyer Trump could get so he got him even though he made statements four years ago saying Giuliani wasn’t on his game. To hear him talking about all the conspiracy theories while that hair color was dripping down his face and seeing the obligatory pretty young blond behind him mindlessly smiling and nodding...it was SAD. I immediately thought to myself why doesn’t family step in and protect him from Trump and going out like a fool. I know Giuliani is not saint, but he did offer leadership during a horrible time when Bush failed us.

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