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My Pet Orangutan

(9,189 posts)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 04:35 AM Nov 2020

Scoop: Trump tells confidants he plans to pardon Michael Flynn

Source: Axios

President Trump has told confidants he plans to pardon his former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who pleaded guilty in December 2017 to lying to the FBI about his Russian contacts, two sources with direct knowledge of the discussions tell Axios.

Behind the scenes: Sources with direct knowledge of the discussions said Flynn will be part of a series of pardons that Trump issues between now and when he leaves office.


Read more: https://www.axios.com/trump-pardon-michael-flynn-131c78e2-eb58-4294-9ca1-3c5fb00bf96e.html

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Scoop: Trump tells confidants he plans to pardon Michael Flynn (Original Post) My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 OP
One traitor pardoning another traitor still_one Nov 2020 #1
The least surprising news item of the year Raven123 Nov 2020 #2
They can be subpoenaed to testify, dware Nov 2020 #9
Pardon Gilbert Moore Nov 2020 #11
Again, no one can force them to actually testify, dware Nov 2020 #12
As if this is news beachbumbob Nov 2020 #3
Scoop: Trump tells confidants he plans to pardon Michael Flynn. LenaBaby61 Nov 2020 #4
since trump was impeached noneof_theabove Nov 2020 #5
He is not a convicted criminal, dware Nov 2020 #10
As the bids come in.. Maxheader Nov 2020 #6
So Trump is gonna pardon Flynn for the Russian hoax? Botany Nov 2020 #7
Worst Kept Secret Roy Rolling Nov 2020 #8
If Trump pardons himself though he can be compelled to testify and the public cstanleytech Nov 2020 #14
Do it and then Flynn can be compelled to testify as he cannot plea the 5th. cstanleytech Nov 2020 #13
Those were my exact thoughts when I read the headline. nt Gore1FL Nov 2020 #15
More on this. jeffreyi Nov 2020 #16

Raven123

(4,792 posts)
2. The least surprising news item of the year
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 06:42 AM
Nov 2020

However if he pardons enough people, and they are forced to testify against him in future proceeding it could be interesting

dware

(12,264 posts)
9. They can be subpoenaed to testify,
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:17 AM
Nov 2020

but they can't be forced to actually testify, all they would do is invoke their 5th Amendment right to refuse to testify, which they most certainly would.

Gilbert Moore

(217 posts)
11. Pardon
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:37 AM
Nov 2020

If he has been given a pardon then he can't be prosecuted for those crimes and can be compelled to testify, as he has no jeopardy and can't incriminate himself.

dware

(12,264 posts)
12. Again, no one can force them to actually testify,
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:39 AM
Nov 2020

the judge can hold them in contempt and jail them until they testify, but they don't have to testify.

noneof_theabove

(410 posts)
5. since trump was impeached
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:29 AM
Nov 2020

He should not have the power to pardon anyone with associations to him.
Others that deserve a pardon that is fine.

Remember he is a convicted criminal.

This amount to someone who can not bail out of jail.
The judge [ and/or jury ] find them guilty.
Then the judge applies the sentence to time served.

Well since the Senate [the Judge] did nothing it does not invalidate the charges the Jury [House] applied.

Also he should never be allowed to run for any public office, even dog catcher.

Just my opinion.

dware

(12,264 posts)
10. He is not a convicted criminal,
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:21 AM
Nov 2020

he was never convicted in the Senate trial, which was a sham, and Senate trials are not criminal trials.

I don't know where you get your information, but the House is not the Jury, that is totally wrong.

Maxheader

(4,370 posts)
6. As the bids come in..
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:34 AM
Nov 2020

"Common ole buddy, get me out and you can use the yacht!"

Cheetox will pardon the criminals....

Botany

(70,449 posts)
7. So Trump is gonna pardon Flynn for the Russian hoax?
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:40 AM
Nov 2020



We need to see the Mueller report. We lost 2,146 American yesterday because of that crook.

cstanleytech

(26,244 posts)
14. If Trump pardons himself though he can be compelled to testify and the public
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:41 AM
Nov 2020

will then know exactly what kind of piece of shit that he really is.
While it certainly is not the life in prison sentence he deserves it will hopefully hurt him enough to know that it turns the public against him.

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