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BumRushDaShow

(172,738 posts)
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 03:13 PM Dec 2020

CDC advises people to wear masks indoors at all times, except at home

Source: Washington Post

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is recommending “universal mask use” outside people’s homes as part of guidance published Friday aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus as the nation braces for what is expected to be the darkest period of the pandemic.

This is the first time the agency has advocated for universal mask use indoors. In its weekly Morbidity and Mortality report, the CDC warned that the United States has entered “a phase of high-level transmission” as colder weather and the ongoing holiday season push Americans inside, and said that “consistent and correct” use of face masks is critical to taming the virus.

“Compelling evidence now supports the benefits of cloth face masks for both source control (to protect others)” the report said, “and to a lesser extent, protection of the wearer.”

Mask use is most important in indoor spaces where social distancing cannot be maintained, the CDC said in the report. The agency also recommended mask use at home when a member of the household has been infected or potentially exposed to the virus. It cited research that suggests roughly 50 percent of transmission of the coronavirus is spread through asymptomatic people. More than 276,000 Americans have died of the disease caused by the coronavirus so far, and nearly 14.2 million cases have been recorded.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/04/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/#link-VSQFC2ZI2FC3FBXYUKFU7IAQAE



Short article at the moment (NOW UPDATED).

Original article -

The Centers for Disease Control is recommending "universal mask use" outside people's homes as part of guidance published Friday aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus as the nation braces for what is expected to be the darkest period of the pandemic.

This is the first time the agency has advocated for universal mask use indoors. In its weekly Morbidity and Mortality report, the CDC warned that the United States has entered "a phase of high-level transmission" as colder weather and the ongoing holiday season push Americans inside, and said that "consistent and correct" use of face masks is crucial to taming the virus.


As a note, PA reported 11,600 some cases today and Philly reported a mind-numbing 1,816 today.
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CDC advises people to wear masks indoors at all times, except at home (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 OP
Done and done. Midnight Writer Dec 2020 #1
Same Here ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #12
Breaking down that number into more bitesize pieces... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #2
It's been 2 days in a row BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #4
Even look at a 14-day rolling total (divided by seven)... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #5
Our high back in mid-April BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #7
I have "by-marriage" relatives in SW Pennsylvania... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #8
That's a shame BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #10
The HS graduation rate is below national averages... NurseJackie Dec 2020 #11
I know I have posted this before BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #13
And Masks Are Mandatory RobinA Dec 2020 #3
I was in a state store in Montco a few weeks ago BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #6
I do see more & more with them than without them in GA now oldsoftie Dec 2020 #9
I think there are several states without a "mask mandate" BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #14
let's do it... myohmy2 Dec 2020 #15
I am skeptical of the asymptomatic spread claims DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #16
A meta-analysis was recently done across multiple studies (79 of them) BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #17
I think I agree that are many more DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #18
I expect the PCR test developers know what the level of sensitivity is for their tests BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #21
The PCR tests are extremely sensitive DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #25
The problem with gel electrophoresis BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #26
KnR Hugin Dec 2020 #19
Hmm. Everybody in my general vicinity already does this. J Magarac Dec 2020 #20
You mean a non-MAGat neighborhood? BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #22
Of course! J Magarac Dec 2020 #23
Have been in and out of O'Hare many times BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #24

ProfessorGAC

(77,462 posts)
12. Same Here
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 07:13 PM
Dec 2020

I just subbed the last 5 days at a high school a couple towns west. (Physics & Environmental Science)
Had mask on leaving the car until I got back in it at end of day. Except to take a drink of water (stepped into the lab store room for that), had mask on the whole time.
No problem.
No problem at all.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
2. Breaking down that number into more bitesize pieces...
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 04:20 PM
Dec 2020
As a note, PA reported 11,600 some cases today and Philly reported a mind-numbing 1,816 today
Breaking down that number into more bitesize pieces: That's 80 new confirmed cases per minute for the state... and five new cases every four minutes in Philadelphia.

BumRushDaShow

(172,738 posts)
4. It's been 2 days in a row
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 04:46 PM
Dec 2020

with over 11,000 for PA and Philly had 601 on Tues. (12/1/20) 1,665 on Wed. (12/2/20), 825 on Thurs. (12/3/20), and back up to 1,816 today. I know that some of the labs do batch dumps but ugh.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
5. Even look at a 14-day rolling total (divided by seven)...
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 04:49 PM
Dec 2020

... that helps to flatten-out the numbers, but it's still so high. So much suffering.

BumRushDaShow

(172,738 posts)
7. Our high back in mid-April
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 05:29 PM
Dec 2020

was just under 2000/day for PA - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142446993#post200 and just under 600 for Philly - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142446993#post183

I kept that thread going daily from March 13 until around Sept. 1st. We have blown past all of that.

Only thing that knocked it down was an almost complete lockdown except for "essential" businesses and as it is, we are still more restrictive here than the rest of the state for a number of things.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
8. I have "by-marriage" relatives in SW Pennsylvania...
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 05:34 PM
Dec 2020

... they don't take Covid or the precautions very seriously.

BumRushDaShow

(172,738 posts)
10. That's a shame
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 06:42 PM
Dec 2020

and some of it was due to the fact that it started in the more urban and suburban coastal areas first, with little or nothing inland, so it wasn't considered "a concern" and it was apparently expected to "die out" before ever reaching the more remote/less-populated parts of states. NOW it's everywhere and we see what happens when "community spread" goes "national".

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
11. The HS graduation rate is below national averages...
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 07:05 PM
Dec 2020

... the employment opportunities are few. The Connellsville or Uniontown Walmart are the area's biggest employers. (So that people can, in turn, buy what they need from Walmart... because most other businesses have closed shop.) It's a very depressed area. I've visited there when my husband has returned for weddings, funerals and an occasional reunion (pre-covid, of course) and it's a completely different world.

Now we are not wealthy by ANY means. We live in a double-wide mobile home for God's sake... but compared to the quality of life out there... we're living like royalty. And still they vote for Trump; and still they believe the lies; and still they do everything to help the 1% because they believe that someday they'll be rich too.

It makes me sad whenever he wants to go home. I know it's familiar and comfortable for him... but it's also the reason he left. He knew that if he stayed, that he'd be lucky to someday be the manager at the Sheetz. (Instead he joined the army and GOT OUT of a dead-end town.)

Anyway... it always amazes me how those who have the least... and who are suffering the most... will blindly follow those who cause the most harm and offer the least relief. I'm emotionally exhausted whenever we come home from one of these family gatherings.

BumRushDaShow

(172,738 posts)
13. I know I have posted this before
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 07:15 PM
Dec 2020

but they like "style over substance" and that is what it all boils down to. It wouldn't matter what 45 says. It's how he says it.

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
3. And Masks Are Mandatory
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 04:40 PM
Dec 2020

in PA, so what is this telling us about mask laws. I'm in the Philadelphia 'burbs and I see no one in stores and such without masks.

BumRushDaShow

(172,738 posts)
6. I was in a state store in Montco a few weeks ago
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 05:19 PM
Dec 2020

and an older woman attempted to come in without one. She didn't have it in her hand nor on an ear or around her neck. As she started coming in the door pushing a cart, a store employee looked up and immediately told her "Ma'am, you can't come in here without a mask". She stopped, started digging in her pocketbook, and finally pulled a cloth one out and put it on.

Montco reported something like 683 positives yesterday and 587 cases today.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
9. I do see more & more with them than without them in GA now
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 06:27 PM
Dec 2020

But Isnt every state telling people to wear them? But the numbers are still jumping. Seems like it should be a much lower number with most of us wearing masks now. I know they're not 100%, but they definitely help SOME. It just doesnt seem to make sense.
I know we're testing more. I pay more attention to the hospitalizations. But those numbers are also jumping.

BumRushDaShow

(172,738 posts)
14. I think there are several states without a "mask mandate"
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 07:26 PM
Dec 2020

notably one of the worst being hit at the moment - South Dakota.

But what is at issue is that although you may have people wearing masks "in public" -notably at stores, etc. (because many places are requiring them to get inside), they are not wearing them when going to a friend's house for a "game day" get-together or when they go to events like weddings, where you are in a room, at a non-socially-distanced table, across from other non-socially-distanced tables, talking and eating and drinking. And all you need is one asymptomatic infected person at one of these gatherings to start a super-spreader event.

And I expect that most members of family "units" living under the same roof, are not wearing masks "while in the house", so all it takes is one of them to go to their buddy's house to play some video game for a few hours (without a mask because he "trusts" his friend), gets infected, and then comes home and boom!

During periods where there was less of what they call "community spread", you might have been able to get away with that. But now the stuff is just rampant out there.

myohmy2

(3,723 posts)
15. let's do it...
Fri Dec 4, 2020, 10:57 PM
Dec 2020

...Joe wants us to wear a mask for 100 days...we can easily do that...and stay home...

...no sense killing Grandpa or Grandma just to go out or get laid...

...for the next 3 months let masturbation be our friend...

...it's mine...

DeminPennswoods

(17,609 posts)
16. I am skeptical of the asymptomatic spread claims
Sat Dec 5, 2020, 07:52 AM
Dec 2020

to be honest. Outside of the very early Stanford study and another in NYC that were based on antibody tests later discovered to be not as accurate as initially thought, I haven't read about any more recent studies.

Contact tracing might give you idea, but I know in PA that less than half or lower of infected people are cooperating with contact tracers.

BumRushDaShow

(172,738 posts)
17. A meta-analysis was recently done across multiple studies (79 of them)
Sat Dec 5, 2020, 08:13 AM
Dec 2020

and indicated that about 20% are most likely truly "asymptomatic" throughout the course of the disease (many others who were initially considered "asymptomatic" were eventually found to have developed some symptoms and were probably "pre-symptomatic" ) - https://www.healthline.com/health-news/20-percent-of-people-with-covid-19-are-asymptomatic-but-can-spread-the-disease#Only-20%-remained-asymptomatic

Meta-analysis publication - https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003346

The point being that you may have people whose symptoms are not considered by them as "symptoms" and thus may be, or probably are contagious, shedding virus, and spreading it.

DeminPennswoods

(17,609 posts)
18. I think I agree that are many more
Sat Dec 5, 2020, 10:55 AM
Dec 2020

"pre-symptomatic" than "asymptomatic" carriers. The same is true with flu, that you are contagious a few days before showing symptoms.

The other difficulty is with the PCR tests that detect, but cannot determine how much virus a person has or even if it's a live or remnant of the virus.

BumRushDaShow

(172,738 posts)
21. I expect the PCR test developers know what the level of sensitivity is for their tests
Sat Dec 5, 2020, 01:04 PM
Dec 2020

but the big unanswered question is (and it would probably never be answered) is how much of the viral load would a person need before they might show symptoms, and even then, the symptoms often depend on where the virus lands and takes hold. This is why the whole "checking temperature" is sortof irrelevant unless the tested individual's body actually reacts to this or any virus by developing a fever. If this virus ended up in the digestive system (one of the locations of ACE2 receptors/binding sites), their "symptoms" might end up as something gastrointestinal without any fever, and they might attribute their "symptoms" to something they ate vs being due to COVID-19.

DeminPennswoods

(17,609 posts)
25. The PCR tests are extremely sensitive
Sat Dec 5, 2020, 02:45 PM
Dec 2020

They give a positive reading if you have a lot of virus, a DNA remnant of the virus and everything in between.

That's why there's been debate about the rapid tests vs PCR since it takes days or longer for those results to come back. The rapid tests won't give a positive until there's enough virus to register, but if you get one each day, the virus will be detected before the PCR test comes back.

BumRushDaShow

(172,738 posts)
26. The problem with gel electrophoresis
Sat Dec 5, 2020, 03:22 PM
Dec 2020

is potential for cross-contamination and how that might manifest on a plate - including masking the targeted virus' DNA fragments (I have run gel electrophoresis) - particularly due to how the sampling is happening "in the field" (parking lots, on the street, etc). So that needs to be factored in when calling a test "positive" and would require more time. However, the issue that has been mentioned many times, is that you can test today and get a negative and then test tomorrow and get a positive, and in general, these tests are still more qualitative than quantitative, and the amount of viral load enough to cause someone to have symptoms or suspect they might be having symptoms, is apparently varying quite a bit. In fact, an infection may even be "missed" initially if the virus hasn't settled in the nasal passages/throat where the swabs go, but is multiplying elsewhere, not immediately accessible via the current testing protocols.

 

J Magarac

(73 posts)
20. Hmm. Everybody in my general vicinity already does this.
Sat Dec 5, 2020, 12:13 PM
Dec 2020

Because I live on a "good" neighborhood?

BumRushDaShow

(172,738 posts)
24. Have been in and out of O'Hare many times
Sat Dec 5, 2020, 01:35 PM
Dec 2020

and there are some MAGats and purported "former Obama voters" all in the surrounding area.

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