17 states side with Texas in Supreme Court lawsuit aiming to overturn Biden wins in four states
Source: Dallas Morning News
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17 states side with Texas in Supreme Court lawsuit aiming to overturn Biden wins in four states
Trump says he’ll join Texas attorney general Ken Paxton’s longshot suit claiming that Georgia, Penn., Michigan and Wisconsin’s elections were illegitimate, asking court to negate 10M votes.
By Todd J. Gillman
10:34 AM on Dec 9, 2020 CST — Updated 7 minutes ago
Updated at 2:40 p.m. with 17 states backing Texas’ claim.
WASHINGTON – Seventeen states filed a motion Wednesday backing Texas’ longshot legal effort to get the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn election results in four states that helped deliver the presidency to Democrat Joe Biden.
Officials in those states called the lawsuit a baseless stunt. The Supreme Court has given them until 3 p.m. Thursday to file responses.
Trump’s legal team has lost three dozen cases in federal and state courts alleging ballot tampering and fraud, though by not rejecting Texas’ lawsuit out of hand, the Supreme Court offered a glimmer of hope as prelude to a decision on whether it will hear the case.
“We will be INTERVENING in the Texas (plus many other states) case. This is the big one. Our Country needs a victory!” Trump tweeted, calling it “the case that everyone has been waiting for.... It is very strong, ALL CRITERIA MET. How can you have a presidency when a vast majority think the election was RIGGED?”.
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Todd J. Gillman. Todd became Washington Bureau Chief in 2009 and has covered East Texas, Dallas City Hall and politics since joining The News in 1989. He's been elected three times to the White House Correspondents’ Association board, with a term ending in 2023. Todd has a Master in Public Policy from Harvard and a BA from Johns Hopkins in international studies.
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,533 posts)as well as Fat Nixon's mean tweets.
RAB910
(4,030 posts)and a whole lot of treason and cowardice by the GOP
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Nixon had multiple positive qualities. Trump’s only positive attribute is that his sheer incompetence constrains the harm he does.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,533 posts)I'll give Nixon credit for not being in the stupid part.
GB_RN
(3,560 posts)But not directly comparable to tRump. Was he crazy towards the end? Maybe. Depends on whether or not the presidential portraits were talking back to him - and only Nixon could answer that...and he’s dead. Was he a crook? Definitely.
On the other hand, Nixon created the EPA. He gave us the Clean Air and Water Act. He got Supplemental Security Income for the disabled. He also enforced court ordered desegregation and implemented the first affirmative action plan in the US. Then there were all of his foreign policy accomplishments (ABM & SALT I treaties with Russia, opening up China).
Not on his best day would Dolt45 even THINK about doing any one of those things, much less all of them during a complete administration.
While it’s fun to make a comparison because Nixon was corrupt, it’s totally unfair when you take a comprehensive look at the two.
JMHO...and I’m an unabashed liberal and in no way a Nixon fan nor apologist.
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lastlib
(28,264 posts)If this isn't Nazi "Long Knives" tactics, it's nothing. It is now officially an attempted coup d'etat. We are now facing the Republicanazi Party.
mahatmakanejeeves
(69,850 posts)Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)"The Texas lawsuit alleges that election officials in the four states made protocol changes that were contrary to election laws set by the state legislatures, in violation of the Constitution.
Even conservative legal scholars, however, predicted that the lawsuit will fail. “By almost any measure, this is the legal equivalent of a Hail Mary pass,” wrote Hans von Spakovsky, a former Federal Elections Commissioner and senior legal fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation.
“This is an unprecedented lawsuit, and the Supreme Court may be extremely leery and disinclined to take any actions, regardless of the merits, that could upset the results of a presidential election,” he added.
Other legal experts were far harsher in their assessment of the case. Rick Hasen, an election law expert at the University of California, Irvine, called it possibly the “dumbest case I’ve ever seen filed on an emergency basis at the Supreme Court.”
He called it a “press release masquerading as a lawsuit,” and argued that Texas does not have standing to sue, and even if it did it would have had to raise objections to these election changes before the election, not after. He added that the remedy Texas seeks would “disenfranchise tens of millions of voters” and that there’s “no reason to believe the voting conducted in any of the states was done unconstitutionally.”
Lisa Marshall Manheim, associate professor at the University of Washington School of Law, wrote in the Washington Post that “the litigation is legally incoherent, factually untethered, and based on theories of remedy that fundamentally misunderstand the electoral process,” predicting that it will fail.
Many Republicans have nevertheless rallied around the Texas suit, after the Supreme Court ordered the four states in question to respond to Texas’s arguments by 3 p.m. Eastern time on Thursday. Representative Mike Johnson, a Republican from Louisiana, emailed every GOP member of the U.S. House to solicit signatures for an amicus brief supporting Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton’s claims.
Meanwhile, several Republican attorneys general, including those from Louisiana, Arkansas and Missouri, have voiced support for the Paxton suit, and Texas Republican Party Chairman Allen West predicted that as many as 10 states would join the lawsuit.
Divisions remain in the party, however, with the Georgia GOP continuing to defend the integrity of its election. Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr called Texas’s allegations “constitutionally, legally and factually wrong.”
LisaL
(47,423 posts)Freaking cry babies.
You lost, get over it.
yaesu
(9,328 posts)join if the fascist court takes it up & tRump doesn't count so the 17 state BS is fake news.
Maeve
(43,456 posts)...yet
awesomerwb1
(5,103 posts)
IowaGuy
(788 posts)before SCOTUS gutted it. I know Texas was.....ironic that they chafed at the Feds telling them how to fairly run an election, but now think they get to dictate individually as to how other states run their elections. The hypocrisy runs deep and crazy in these folks.
BumRushDaShow
(169,750 posts)
Freddie
(10,104 posts)And take Trump with them. All problems solved.
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)If we can get a strong candidate like Beto to run, we have a chance of defeating crooked Abbott. We also a big outreach to register new voters and to help Hispanic voters here understand that Democrats will help them. We have the highest number of people in the country with no health insurance. That needs to be fixed.
Polybius
(21,900 posts)Texas is winnable, but with a moderate.
2naSalit
(102,791 posts)I think I have to relocate. My friends tell me to stay and stick it out but I can see the whole next several years transforming me into a bitter and angry person for the rest of my life. I really don't want that.
This is one of those moments when I realize that I might need to get a divorce. 
Cha
(319,072 posts)Would you go?
Just my granddaughter going to the university of Providence in Great Falls is freaking me out.
I have loved ones in Florida, too.
2naSalit
(102,791 posts)A few requirements must be met like water quality and cannabis laws.
Cha
(319,072 posts)her family live in Portland.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
It might be somewhere in New England, has to be a northern state.
murielm99
(32,988 posts)I live in a rural red area of the blue state of Illinois. We Democrats work hard here, but it is difficult. You might become bitter living in the rural part of a blue state. I have not become bitter. But some days it is hard to keep fighting the good fight.
2naSalit
(102,791 posts)It's not on my list of options. I would consider returning to Wisconsin or New England if not Oregon or possibly New Mexico which is far south for me but I'll leave it open for consideration for now.
I don't like the water in Illinois and for most of southern Wisconsin, I'm really picky about that.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Cha
(319,072 posts)out a bit
PatrickforO
(15,425 posts)When Trump came along we thought, oh, he cannot do this. He cannot do that. And he did. He pulled this republic down almost around our knees, and if this lawsuit succeeds we are in for a cataclysmic time of pure horror.
onetexan
(13,913 posts)I'd be surprised of the SCOTUS takes it up at all.
Cha
(319,072 posts)I'm just anxious & will be until Dec 14 & 1/20/21.
onetexan
(13,913 posts)
Cha
(319,072 posts)Anti-Christ, the Hell Monster, The Orange Swamp Ogre, Putin's Psycho Puppet, Etc all Rolled into one Giant Boated Enemy of the USofA.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)stopping for a burger.
mahatmakanejeeves
(69,850 posts)Oh, you wanted me to name them.
Missouri, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia
catbyte
(39,152 posts)The states supporting the suit, all of which have Republican attorneys general, are Missouri, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/09/states-tell-supreme-court-they-support-texas-bid-to-reverse-biden-win.html
Grimelle
(219 posts)The 17 states that want to help Texas overturn the election.
Alabama
Arkansas
Florida
Indiana
Kansas
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Utah
West Virginia
not fooled
(6,680 posts)
mpcamb
(3,228 posts)58Sunliner
(6,330 posts)Cha
(319,072 posts)ones in St Pete & Gainesville, Fla.
& my granddaughter goes to school in Great Falls Montana.. and it really bums me out that they live there.
bucolic_frolic
(55,136 posts)Not in my democracy! Kick these Nazis to the curb.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)Surprised Iowa, Wyoming and Idaho are not in the mix.
Gore1FL
(22,951 posts)
bpj62
(1,067 posts)VA has both a democratic governor and legislature. NC has a democratic governor and I think Georgia is sitting this one out because of the January 5th runoff. The true deep south is once again showing thier contempt for the Government. The Supreme Court is not going to touch this.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)
SeattleVet
(5,903 posts)https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163234/20201209155327055_No.%2022O155%20Original%20Motion%20to%20Intervene.pdf
DONALD J. TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, IN HIS PERSONAL CAPACITY AS CANDIDATE FOR RE-ELECTION TO THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT,
Plaintiff in Intervention.
Donald J. Trump, President of the United States, respectfully seeks leave to intervene in the pending original jurisdiction matter of State of Texas v. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, et al., No. 22O155 (filed Dec. 7, 2020).
Plaintiff in Intervention seeks leave to file the accompanying Bill of Complaint in Intervention against the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and the States of Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin (“Defendant States”), challenging their administration of the 2020 presidential election.
Lots more in filing - I'm just starting to make my way through it.
Jimvanhise
(594 posts)The Constitution does not control elections, other than to prohibit discrimination and to outline the set up of the Electoral College. What the Constitution specifically says is that states control their own elections and how they are set up. Voting by mail is not prohibited nor mentioned one way or the other, even in the amendments to the Constitution.
roamer65
(37,953 posts)Cha
(319,072 posts)ffr
(23,398 posts)
The desperation is deeeeeeeelicious!
BumRushDaShow
(169,750 posts)Link to tweet
TEXT
@marceelias
To answer everyone's questions -- no, this filing does NOT change my answer.
This lawsuit is still going nowhere.
Marc E. Elias
@marceelias
Seventeen states have filed a brief supporting the Texas' political stunt in the US Supreme Court.
Sad.
https://democracydocket.com/cases/texas-scotus-decertification-challenge/
4:22 PM · Dec 9, 2020
Cha
(319,072 posts)from Marc Elias right about NOW!?
TY, BRDS! 
BumRushDaShow
(169,750 posts)I just leave his twitter account up in a browser tab now and I'll check in on it every once awhile. There are so many ridiculous suits being filed and he has been keeping track of them, as well as keeping track of the losses.
Cha
(319,072 posts)So Appreciated in this time of the maggots attempting the Coup Against the USA.
& so are you & the those on DU who are so Helpful!
LPBBEAR
(658 posts)If the Supreme Court even looks sideways at this crap every Dem state should turn around and do the exact same thing to Texas. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
Raven123
(7,796 posts)
Mr. Ected
(9,714 posts)Had HRC challenged the election results based on VERY REAL COLLUSION between the Trump campaign, the GOP, the NRA and the red states.
I think this whole charade we're seeing is to neuter Dems who may want to revisit that fateful election.
jgmiller
(688 posts)We should tell all of the ex-confederate states we were wrong 150+ years ago and they did have the right to secede, they are welcome to do so now and they can elect Trump their king for life for all we care.
AirmensMom
(15,107 posts)here in TN. It's hell already. I sure don't want to be in a whole country of these idiots. 
Rebl2
(17,740 posts)he would then try to start a war and take more states.
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)We have a whole lot of issues to sue over.
bucolic_frolic
(55,136 posts)Trying to invalidate election results that have been counted and certified. This is preposterous!
roamer65
(37,953 posts)Locrian
(4,523 posts)but I wonder if this is partly to harm the (hopefully) landslide of criminal charges that could be coming at trump later.
So they could claim it's "retaliation" or something.
One thing for sure from what I see - there absolutely HAS to be a full on HARDCORE attack on the trump illegalities next year. It would be criminally negligent to not drive the metaphorical stake through his soul-less heart. Enough is enough.
patphil
(9,067 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 10, 2020, 09:53 PM - Edit history (1)
than accept that a mean-spirited, angry, hateful, violent man actually lost an election to a kind, compassionate, loving man.
We, as a nation are poised on the abyss, and right now 9 justices are the only defense we have against a coup that will end the Republic, and replace it with a Putin style autocracy.
Even if the Supreme Court finds in favor of those 4 states, the future of this nation is in doubt.
The seditious acts being engaged in by Trump and the Republican Party have poisoned the wellspring of Democracy.
Millions of Americans have indicated that they no longer have faith in the Constitution and the rule of law.
Will we have to endure this shit every time the Republicans lose an election?
The nation couldn't survive this kind of violence for long if that is the case.
raccoon
(32,390 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,533 posts)all these other state governors and AGs, clamoring for His Lardship's approval and a future career in the GOP, go "Me, too! Me, too! See, Dear Leader? I want to throw out 10,000,000 votes and make you President For Life! Please love me and protect me from your MAGAts, and give me a pardon in case I ever need one!
paleotn
(22,212 posts)
Hip2bSquare
(291 posts)Are we there yet? Is it time to talk secession? Look at the jobs us blues could create building a wall to separate us for the brain rotted zombies. We'd never have to listen to another word the turtle would utter?? Lindsey Graham who? No more Qs or proud boohoo boys.. no more Fox News!!
I know... I only jest...but seriously tho.
cstanleytech
(28,471 posts)grow the fuck up.
liberalgunwilltravel
(1,212 posts)I am beginning to believe that President Obama was wrong. We are now, in fact, Blue States and Red States and no longer the United States of America. I hate to say it, but maybe it's time to accept that. And the 17 States that are part of this frivolous lawsuit a good start for the New Confederacy. The Red States want to live in a fantasy world, let them. By why should we let them drag us down with them? This truly makes me sad, since I wore the uniform and took the oath, but I no longer recognize the country whose Constitution I swore to protect.
roamer65
(37,953 posts)I expect NY, New England and CA to go first.
NY and New England will begin confederation negotiations with Ottawa.
🇨🇦
StarlightGold
(372 posts)In the past few years, I've found myself thinking more and more, "Let's just split up the country and be done with it".
SWBTATTReg
(26,257 posts)as that, and these states by their actions are denying the results of the election, results very wide spread and known to all, that has no fraud what-so-ever associated w/ this election (other than the fraud that rump is doing now, by falsely claiming fraud when there is no fraud. Enough. Call the PINO out by charging him w/ his fake siren calls of election fraud. They arrest people who make false claims (the police)...this is the same sort of thing.
The Genealogist
(4,739 posts)It has become a cesspool of a state over the past 30 years or so, and it is only going to get worse. It is overflowing with knuckle dragging trumphumpers.
paleotn
(22,212 posts)to these shit hole states now? Past time they found their own "boot straps."
Warpy
(114,615 posts)for violating their oaths of office by suppressing the vote.
intelpug
(159 posts)The governor of Montana, Steve Bullock is a Democrat. The attorney general, Tim Fox is a republican AG. I am surprised at this move since Bullock is a Democrat and actually ran this year first in the presidential primary and then later for a senate seat against Steve Daine's R. He didn't win either race however I highly doubt he's in need of a pardon from the orange menace for anything. could the attorney general sign on to something like this without the governors approval?
myohmy2
(3,721 posts)...who these states and people are who want to overthrow our democracy...
...like they would to do to us, let's reward our friends and punish our enemies as we move forward...
...let's use power to our maximum advantage and hang on to power by any and all legal means...
...if these fascists return to power soon, if we don't recognize their threat to our country, if we don't respond accordingly to save the union, we will all live to regret it...
...their threat to democracy is not going away, we will have to deal with it...
Jon King
(1,910 posts)Enough, these states represent about 25% of the US economy. Time for the blue states to boycott any businesses in those states, set up trade agreements within blue states. If Dems ever get Congress, admit DC as a state and expand the court.
Soon NC and TX suburbs and metro areas will turn those states blue too. Time to put these deep red states into a box and let them fester and rot away.
Kablooie
(19,107 posts)I thought after yesterday they lost their chance to change the results.
sandensea
(23,343 posts)To their credit, the justices have so far made it clear they won't - but like an ill-bred child who after being told no by mom keeps bothering everyone until he can find someone who'll give him what he wants, it won't stop Rethugs from trying.
Kablooie
(19,107 posts)The past 4 years have been a treasured joy and the most wonderful times of their lives -- I guess.
They must love this Covid thing too because more Trump means more years of lockdowns since distributing the vaccine will take a major coordinated effort by the federal government. Something that is impossible under a Trump administration.
Most GOP voters these days are like Pavlov's dogs and pigeons:
No results necessary; mere bells and whistles will suffice (very hateful ones in their case).
DallasNE
(8,008 posts)The Governor, Attorney General or the Legislature? How is this not a coup attempt to bully the Supreme Court. What a sad day for America and the world. Will there be tanks in the streets by weeks end?
iluvtennis
(21,497 posts)
paleotn
(22,212 posts)before Donnie get's his brief interlude before his date with NY state and Attica. He's under investigation by the FBI.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/17/texas-ken-paxton-fbi/
mahatmakanejeeves
(69,850 posts)This is essentially just saying "if Democrats win it's fraudulent by definition"
Link to tweet
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)That is what is known as a minority.
Ford_Prefect
(8,610 posts)This is way past the level of stupid we've all come to expect. This is not going away either and I suspect the purpose of this suit and all the others (past and yet to be files) is to establish the GOP strategy for future elections. IE: We didn't win so the elections must be rigged to defeat us, therefore we should have won, therefore we did. Hand over the Government to US NOW!
burrowowl
(18,494 posts)Here's hoping the Republican Party is in its death throes!
LiberalArkie
(19,804 posts)Sure I live here but I am almost 73 and it would be good entertainment with me starving because no Social Security, no Medicare no nothing. And the blue states should could benefit with out the "RS" being such a drag.
orangecrush
(30,256 posts)Putin's ultimate pipe dream.
He deserves to be tried for treason.
mahatmakanejeeves
(69,850 posts)The only lawyer on the Trump brief is John Eastman, the lawyer who wrote the thing about Harris not being eligible to be Veep.
Link to tweet
So the John Eastman brief for Trump was ghost-written by the guy who drafted Texas's brief that the Eastman brief supports?
Oh my.
The Supreme Court will not appreciate the sock-puppetry, especially in a case with these stakes.
Link to tweet
dsharp88
(526 posts)Any state's attorney general signing on to this nonsense has no sense of the law, and should be reported to their state bar.
Javaman
(65,711 posts)This will go down in history as the biggest con job on the right wing American public in our history as a nation
70sEraVet
(5,482 posts)Right now, 15 states plus District of Columbia have signed on to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, for a total of 196 electoral votes. The 4 states named in this lawsuit are NOT currently states that have signed on to NPVIC.
If this lawsuit drives those 4 states to join the Compact, that would add 62 electoral votes, for a total of 258, ONLY 12 VOTES SHY OF THE 270 NEEDED FOR THE NPVIC TO GO INTO EFFECT AND ELECT THE NEXT PRESIDENT BY THE POPULAR VOTE!
It would only require an additional state like Ohio (18 electoral votes) or Virginia (13 electoral votes) to sign on the Compact, and a Republican Presidential candidate would NEVER AGAIN WIN THE PRESIDENCY WITHOUT WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE!
This link explains the NPVIC;
https://ballotpedia.org/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
LiberalLovinLug
(14,689 posts)and 2004.
Democratic run States could have sued to have Florida complete its recount in 2000. And there were all kinds of irregularities in 2004. especially in Ohio. So much disparage between exit poll numbers and vote counts.
Even if we wouldn't have won those times, it helps elevate the notion that Republicans cheat, which they do. If the only ones to ever make such a stink about "stolen elections" is Republicans, then they own that space. Cons are very effective at propaganda. Still, Republicans are regarded as closet to a fiscally responsible business person party, and Democrats are painted as the "tax and spend" liberals who think everything is free. Even though its Republicans that spend like sailors, wildly increase the deficit and debt, and cause recessions. And its the last two Democratic Presidents that have dug us out of dire economic positions.
KPN
(17,377 posts)majority voted for Biden in 2020 Shitler.
EndlessWire
(8,103 posts)There isn't a shred of evidence that there was fraud. They just don't like the outcome. 18 states??
And, AZ asked if the GOP would die for Trump?
I'd put the State Guard on alert.
Right now I am not sure I want those states to stick around. Which state has the vaccines is all I want to know.
Honestly, did you ever? All because of Trump and his family. Wow. What malevolent evil fell upon us.
They're gonna feel really stupid someday soon. I also now feel that we should throw the GOP into prison camps. Or something. Maybe just the Governors. Need a list...
Fiendish Thingy
(23,232 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)"Along with Missouri, attorneys general from Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah and West Virginia also signed on to the brief."
https://ago.mo.gov/home/news/2020/12/09/missouri-attorney-general-17-state-attorneys-general-file-amicus-brief-in-state-of-texas-supreme-court-voting-case
TeamPooka
(25,577 posts)amcgrath
(439 posts)This is him angling for a pardon
sigpooie
(106 posts)We would like to apologize for the idiot ag we have right now. And while we are here we will add Tom Cotton to that apology too.
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penbo
(13 posts)Do they really think they know what they want
Polybius
(21,900 posts)Wow.
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)Honestly it'll never flip because our state doesn't vote, is too stupid, suppression.
I'm kinda just done being associated with it and the people here. If I ever get the chance. I'm moving to either Colorado or New Mexico
Hugin
(37,848 posts)You lose and run off crying and stomping to the Supreme Court. Waaaaaa!
GEEZUS!
So, by the same logic CA can go after the voters in TX solely because the CA-AG doesn't like who they voted for in the future.