Fake electors try to deliver Arizona's 11 votes for Trump

[Mrs. Overall]

Source: The Arizona Republic

In another sign of the lingering unrest over President Donald Trump's election loss, an Arizona group sent the National Archives in Washington, D.C., notarized documents last week intended to deliver, wrongly, the state's 11 electoral votes for him.

Copies of the documents obtained by The Arizona Republic show a group that claimed to represent the "sovereign citizens of the Great State of Arizona" submitted signed papers casting votes for what they want: a second term for Trump and Vice President Mike Pence.

Mesa resident Lori Osiecki, 62, helped created a facsimile of the "certificate of ascertainment" that is submitted to formally cast each state's electoral votes as part of an effort to prevent what she views as the fraudulent theft of the election.

"We seated before the legislators here. We already turned it in. We beat them to the game," she said.



Read more: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/14/arizona-groups-fake-electors-try-cast-11-electoral-votes-trump/6536056002/

[Bernardo de La Paz]

1. They could be charged with Electoral Fraud. Probably should be. . . . nt

[Glorfindel]

4. Definitely should be charged. If they keep getting away with this shit unpunished

there will be no end to their crimes and misdemeanors.

[jonstl08]

10. Should be charges with falsifying an election result

To stop this in the future they should at the very least be charged with falsifying an official election record. Maybe a fine, jail or probation and a felony criminal record meaning they cannot vote again until they have completed their sentence including paying the fines. Oh and also make sure they have to reimburse the state incurred legal costs.

[MarcA]

13. +1,000 n/t

[sinkingfeeling]

31. Yes.

[gopiscrap]

32. I agree except repayment or payment of fines should not be a

condition of the right to vote. Also anyone on probation and out in the community should have their rights restored or be exempt from paying taxes

[Mr.Bill]

34. I think election fraud of any sort

should mean you never vote again. Sort of like how doing something illegal with a firearm means you can never own one again.

[yellowdogintexas]

58. if it were Fort Worth they would get 5 year in prison

A woman wanted to vote and because the election clerk could not find her in the voter lookup she had to file a provisional ballot

The voter had served time, but had not been signed off by her parole officer as free and clear so she was not supposed to vote.

When this surfaced, she was put in jail. So far there have been two appeals.

The election clerk had no way of knowing this and the voter did not know she was still prohibited from voting.

Of course, these folks are probably white so they might not draw punishment

[soldierant]

68. Both of you make interesting points ...

it's true that the way our current systems (each state) are set up, decisions about who should and shuld not be allowed to vote (again) are not so much made as stumbled into.

My reaction was not nearly as nuanced: "If they are so dumb they thought the National Archives would fall for this, are they really smart enough to be voting?"

[Rebl2]

47. Absolutely

they should be charged and like you say if we don’t stop it now, then it will only get worse.

[pat_k]

18. Abso-f*cking-lutely! (nt)

[2naSalit]

38. Absolutely!

They are committing crimes of falsification of legal documents, I think both federal and surely state laws have been violated here. They'd better be charged.

[Karadeniz]

46. Looks like forgery.

[CurtEastPoint]

2. Ah! The queen of good snacks (WTF?) and fake electors....here she is!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

6. Carmela Soprano is in on this?

[CurtEastPoint]

21. omg it is Nurse Jackie/Carmela

[TeamPooka]

3. Presenting forged instruments with an intent to defraud, and mail fraud. Hope they have good lawyers

[malthaussen]

37. I hope they have crappy lawyers. :)

There needs to be some consequences for shit like this.

-- Mal

[TeamPooka]

44. maybe they could get the brain trust that is Trump's legal team working for them

[mobeau69]

5. That's gotta be illegal, huh?

[samnsara]

7. this is getting silly. I hope they are all charged with something...

[magicarpet]

8. Can they take 25 of the states and just leave,...

.... save the bullets and the blood and skip the Civil War II.

They can start their own country,...
"The New Nazi Jesus BumFuckistan".

[Midnightwalk]

14. See Partition of India

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India]

Deaths: 200,000 to 2 million,[1][a] 14 million displaced[2]

[Miguelito Loveless]

27. No, this issue was settled once

And may need to be settled again.

[wnylib]

51. We'd have been better off

to let the South go. Should have freed the slaves first, then let the South go its own way.

[moriah]

30. Um, I live in one of the Seditious Seventeen states.

How will you get me TF out of here if they try to make Gilead? I don't bake bread well, and too old to be a Handmaid.

The same will be said by plenty of people even in New York, except they'd accuse Dems of trying to create Communist Russia up there as their reason for wanting to flee.

We are FAR too purple of a nation to ever have a "divorce" that is not incredibly messy/displaces far too many people.

[LonePirate]

9. Something similar happened in Michigan with fraudulent electoral votes

Link to tweet

[onetexan]

19. LOL there is something seriously wrong w/ these ppl. So crazy it's comical.

[usajumpedtheshark]

70. But she says she isn't crazy (unknow if she has been tested)

"I've never been in politics before," she said. "I'm not crazy. I'm just a person who feels like there's a problem here. We're at that (1776) moment here. It's the little people who are going to matter. You can't sit on the sidelines anymore."

Of course she also claims,

"One thing I will say about conservatives, is if something is wrong, and we have lost — a true loss — then we accept," she said. "We're not going to drag people through the mud and fight it. But this clearly has got issues. I saw it with my own eyes and my own research."

I'm not sure what the research entailed other going to rallies and listening to Rudey

[weissmam]

36. its funny

ass-holes don't realize they are being ass-holes

Plus with this being recorded they will be know as idiots for ever

[LonePirate]

40. It's an amazing lack of self-awareness by perpetuating known fraud over hurt feelings.

[Aerator]

39. Should have called the bomb squad for a suspicious package

[mr_lebowski]

11. LOCK THEM THE FUCK UP!!! (nt)

[TexasBushwhacker]

16. I agree

I'm tired of this"sovereign citizen" bullshit. Lock up all the Bundy grifters in Oregon while they're at it.

[Pantagruel]

12. Legality?

"Arizona sketches out a series of criminal charges relating to voting and election fraud, but those mostly appear to mostly deal with casting regular ballots or tallying the ballots.

It also has a provision for making, possessing or presenting what are known as forged instruments with an intent to defraud. That is a felony offense.

The federal government has broad authority to prosecute what it deems mail fraud, although it is more often used to target financial crimes. There is a provision in the mail fraud statutes for depriving people of what are known as "honest services."

[Solly Mack]

15. That can't be legal to do.

[pwb]

17. Stupid people think they are so clever?

Not.

[SayItLoud]

20. Seems like some criminal charges should be brought against these folks. NT

[Joinfortmill]

22. Nuts, just nuts. However, this should be a crime.

[Aristus]

23. They're the ones who believe that yellow fringe on the flag means the USA is an illegitimate nation,

right?

[jmowreader]

56. Pretty much...

The claim is that any courtroom displaying a flag with gold fringe on the edges is operating under "admiralty maritime jurisdiction."

I would love to find a judge that would play with these morans: "I find you guilty of the crimes of operating a motor vehicle without a driver's license, vehicle registration, or liability insurance. The standard sentences for conviction on these offenses is $50 for each plus costs of court of $37.50. So, most people who did this would pay $187.50. However, since the defendant is convinced this is a maritime court, I must sentence him to twenty lashes and seven days in the brig on bread and water. Bailiffs, take the defendant away."

"But...but...but..."

"Are we an ordinary everyday court, sir?"

[usajumpedtheshark]

63. Wait. They get hard tack and water?

I guess nobody assigns keelhauling anymore.
(Insert pirate icon here)

[jmowreader]

67. Keelhauling is for really bad crimes

For being a sovereign citizen, flogging and brig time is plenty.

[Moral Compass]

24. Clear attempt at electoral fraud

[hadEnuf]

25. Lingering unrest??

How about what it really is: criminal election tampering. How about some charges against these terrorists?

[riversedge]

26. "It was not immediately clear if the group's effort broke any state or federal laws."

Well, if I had my say, it would be a crime.

[weissmam]

28. I would charge them with fraud

and falsifying government documents

[Captain Zero]

52. yes, falsification of election documents might extend to those certifications

nt

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

29. Do these people think they're cute?

Hope they serve some time for this fraudulant bullshit.

[Proud liberal 80]

33. So this is the real election fraud

[Javaman]

35. huh, isn't falsifying federal documents a crime?

i wouldn't expect any thing less from these "sovereign" assholes.

[bucolic_frolic]

41. Fake Electors!! "Beat them to the game"??

There was no game. No race. It wasn't a competition. That's a delusion in their minds. They weren't invited to participate. They just injected themselves into the official process. Where is their sense of basic honesty, don't do this or that it's a lot of trouble? Just because it's not a financial crime doesn't make it ho-hum.

[forgotmylogin]

48. Attempting the "you snooze, you lose" gambit, lol! n/t

[PatrickforO]

42. So, these dirtbags have committed a crime, right? I mean, this IS a felony?

[SpankMe]

43. Barr wanted to charge protesters who damaged property with sedition

If his bar is that low, then there must be a crime somewhere in this crazy lady's actions.

[yaesu]

45. Wire, computer fraud charges in their future? nt

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

49. Another example of people not understanding

exactly how the process works.

[Mr. Ected]

50. America: If you don't love it, GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE

How many times has that epithet been hurled at liberals exercising their constitutional rights?

Acts of sedition are not protected by the constitution, though....so it's truly more fitting when spit in the general direction of a Trumpite.

[JohnnyRingo]

53. When does it stop being a prank and becomes outright fraud?

I've had my fill of political clowns to last a lifetime.

[paleotn]

54. If that's not a crime, it should be....

She didn't beat anyone. She's a fucking moron. If it is against the law (god, I hope it is), throw her ass in jail.

[onecent]

55. Why does he THINK HE HAS TO CHEAT allllll the time!

[LiberalFighter]

57. Several issues

1) Electors in Arizona are appointed by the state political party to be on the ballot for their respective congressional district or for one of the two spots representing the Senate electors.

2) Arizona has 11 electoral votes. One from each of the 9 congressional districts. They must live in those districts.

3) It appears most if not all live in the 5th congressional district. Possibly up to 7 congressional districts were not represented by this group if they were legitimate electors.

[McCamy Taylor]

59. This looks criminal to this non-attorney

[marmar]

60. These right wing loons apparently have too much free time.

[TomDaisy]

61. she needs mental help

[ailsagirl]

62. They all do

[Nitram]

64. That sounds illegal and fraudulent, particularly if they had the documents notarized.

That's like videotaping and providing your own notarized statement admitting your guilt for a bank robbery.

[marble falls]

65. Two frauds apparently make a right. No cure for dumbshittery. Please let there be a ...

... a very explicit felony attached to this.

[roamer65]

66. Sounds like electoral fraud.

Charge them.

[jmowreader]

69. Why do I suspect...

...that there will soon be an Arizona notary who gets his or her commission revoked for notarizing a clearly fraudulent document?