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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(137,388 posts)
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 09:21 PM Dec 2020

Pro-Trump Group to Challenge 364K Voter Registrations in Georgia Ahead of Runoff Election

Source: Newsweek

Conservative political group True the Vote announced plans on Friday to preemptively file more than 360,000 electoral challenges in Georgia before the state's special elections are expected to occur in January.

Georgia's run-off elections have garnered nationwide attention. If the Democrats who are running for office—Jon Ossoff and Reverend Raphael Warnock—obtain victory over Republicans Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, then Democrats would be equally represented in the U.S. Senate. However, Democrats would have a distinct advantage over Republicans in the case of a tie, as Democrat Vice President-elect Kamala Harris would be the one voting to break the deadlock.

Some observers, including President Donald Trump, have baselessly alleged that Georgia's processes during the November election were unfairly manipulated by Democrats. According to True the Vote founder and President Catherine Engelbrecht, the challenges could help validate the results of the January election by ensuring "the sanctity of every legal vote."

"Filing the challenges preemptively, before absentee ballots are opened, will help ensure only legal, eligible votes are counted in Georgia's January 5 runoff elections," Engelbrecht said in a Friday statement.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pro-trump-group-to-challenge-364k-voter-registrations-in-georgia-ahead-of-runoff-election/ar-BB1c3nlD?li=BB141NW3



The only way Republicans can win is by suppressing the vote.
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Pro-Trump Group to Challenge 364K Voter Registrations in Georgia Ahead of Runoff Election (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2020 OP
They don't even pretend anymore Ohiogal Dec 2020 #1
Right, their cheating is right out in the open. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #6
So all those rube red counties registered voters not meeting qualifications? Hoyt Dec 2020 #2
None of the challenges will be in those counties ... you can bet on that ... mr_lebowski Dec 2020 #3
that's there plan for sure. nt iluvtennis Dec 2020 #5
These Nazis should be called out for what they are bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #4
I'm not clear on what their purpose is but... cntrfthrs Dec 2020 #7
Because Democrats believe every vote should be counted groundloop Dec 2020 #12
As the SCOTUS said, it's premature. sinkingfeeling Dec 2020 #8
Of Course This Is Voter A Suppression Effort DallasNE Dec 2020 #9
Moving the Goalposts Roy Rolling Dec 2020 #10
On what basis are they making the challenges? Maeve Dec 2020 #11
They are trying to suppress democrat voters. Archae Dec 2020 #14
I agree, but there has to be a legal basis for the challenges Maeve Dec 2020 #15
they have no legal basis, and this frivolous lawsuit will go the way of the dogs like the Con's onetexan Dec 2020 #24
They are not "True The Vote." Archae Dec 2020 #13
They're calling them VoteFlakes bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #16
LOL I was looking up some meme/definition BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #18
It's on Urban Dictionary bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #19
Yeah I think that is the source but BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #20
"Filing the challenges preemptively" BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #17
Typical republican voter supression. SergeStorms Dec 2020 #21
K&R. nt Wednesdays Dec 2020 #22
They already had three out of four cases dismissed...a fourth one will meet the same fate. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #23

Ohiogal

(41,043 posts)
1. They don't even pretend anymore
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 09:27 PM
Dec 2020

Newt Gingrich and Rand Paul the other day calling on Georgia officials to stop encouraging people to vote! It’s insane!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. So all those rube red counties registered voters not meeting qualifications?
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 09:28 PM
Dec 2020

Everyone is not as stupid as the Klan and similar pro-trump groups.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
3. None of the challenges will be in those counties ... you can bet on that ...
Fri Dec 18, 2020, 09:34 PM
Dec 2020

More likely it will be everyone with an obviously AA or Latinx-sounding name.

DallasNE

(8,019 posts)
9. Of Course This Is Voter A Suppression Effort
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 02:51 AM
Dec 2020

They want 364k registered voters to think that they can only vote provisional ballots, which usually don't get counted, so why bother - right? After the State Court denies the court filing it will be appealed to a superior court, which will deny it and then it will be appealed to the Georgia Supreme Court. That takes time. And all of these attorney fees will be paid for by Citizens United money to run out the clock. (See the problem).

Roy Rolling

(7,712 posts)
10. Moving the Goalposts
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:00 AM
Dec 2020

The election laws are carved in stone. That’s what Republicans wanted—election (repression) laws carved in stone. They got it, and now they want them changed.

Another case of be careful what you wish for you just may get it.

Maeve

(43,489 posts)
11. On what basis are they making the challenges?
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 08:10 AM
Dec 2020

There has to be some cause for the challenge--what exactly will they be claiming? Or did the reporters not ask that simple question?

Maeve

(43,489 posts)
15. I agree, but there has to be a legal basis for the challenges
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 09:40 AM
Dec 2020

That the voter is not a citizen or otherwise not legally permitted to vote in that election--something other than "I don't like him".

I'm looking at this from both an election official's POV and from a journalistic one---what legal reason are they giving for the challenges? Otherwise, it's just noise. (Well, it is mostly that, and as you say an attempt to suppress votes. But I don't think Georgia Dems are that easy to push anymore)

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
24. they have no legal basis, and this frivolous lawsuit will go the way of the dogs like the Con's
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 04:52 PM
Dec 2020

bucolic_frolic

(55,814 posts)
16. They're calling them VoteFlakes
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 10:29 AM
Dec 2020

who think election fraud occurred and Joe Biden wasn't elected.

VoteFlakes

BumRushDaShow

(172,222 posts)
20. Yeah I think that is the source but
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 12:00 PM
Dec 2020

I also saw it when looking up Marc Elias' latest lawsuit tallies on the web version of his twitter account and I guess Webster's twitter account was showing on the page as a trending with that word since I think one of the replies to his tweets must have included it.

BumRushDaShow

(172,222 posts)
17. "Filing the challenges preemptively"
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 11:01 AM
Dec 2020

How can you file "preemptively"?

That's like me filing suit to claim - "'Loeffler is going to break into my house' so I'm going to sue as proof that she will break into my house".



And this part misses the point of why this push (hint: it's not just for being able to "break a tie" ) -

Georgia's run-off elections have garnered nationwide attention. If the Democrats who are running for office—Jon Ossoff and Reverend Raphael Warnock—obtain victory over Republicans Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, then Democrats would be equally represented in the U.S. Senate. However, Democrats would have a distinct advantage


Because the VP IS the "President of the Senate", that position is automatically part of the Senate and with that comes a technical (D) "majority" of 51 - 50, thus Democrats WOULD HOLD THE MAJORITY LEADER POSITION and Chairs of ALL the Senate committees.

What has been done in the past when this type of situation occurred, there have been shifts back and forth and "agreements" to do some "sharing" of power. I.e., just after the election of Shrub in 2000, from the point of swearing in of the new Senate in early January 2001, through to inauguration day (a couple weeks), Democrats ruled the Senate with Daschle as Majority Leader because Gore was still VP and the "51st Senator" (a (D)). But after the inauguration, Darth became the "51st Senator" (R) and gave control of the "50-50" Senate to the GOP.

The New Senate Majority
Political Junkie
Send your questions about campaigns and elections.

By Ken Rudin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Friday, June 8, 2001

Question: How come everybody calls Sen. Tom Daschle the majority leader? Shouldn't he be correctly called "Plurality Leader?" Doesn't the 107th Senate power-sharing agreement between the Democrats and Republicans say a party has to get a majority number of party-designated senators? An Independent and 50 Democrats wouldn't meet that definition!
– Kevin McCarthy, Valley Forge, Pa.

Answer: You make an interesting point, but there is no such distinction in the title. Tom Daschle is majority leader not because the Democrats have more than 50 votes in the Senate - which they don't - but because Sen. Jim Jeffords' (I-Vt.) switch gives Daschle 51 votes to organize the chamber. There was a similar situation in early 1953, when the Senate was comprised of 48 Republicans, 47 Democrats, and one independent. Yet Robert Taft (R-Ohio) was called majority leader, even though theoretically he had just a plurality. In Daschle's case, the same holds true.

The power-sharing agreement between Daschle and Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) in January never talked about a majority. It spoke to the fact that by picking up a net of four seats in last year's election, the Democrats wound up with the same number of seats as the Republicans. Some in the GOP, such as Texas's Phil Gramm, argued that the agreement was a sellout, that Vice President Cheney's tie-breaking vote negated the need for any power sharing. But Democrats, who actually had a Senate majority from Jan. 3-20 (when Vice President Gore could still break the tie), were threatening to cause mischief with the Bush Cabinet choices, which would have gotten the new administration off on a dubious start.

The Lott-Daschle agreement, which called for equal representation and staffing on Senate committees, was always conditional on a 50-50 split in membership. The understood message at the time was that if circumstances changed – say, if 98-year old Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-S.C.) retired and was replaced by a Democrat – the agreement would be nullified. Little did anyone know that the catalyst would be the defection of a party-switcher from Vermont.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/junkie/archive/junkie060801.htm


Later, Jeffords switched from (R) to (I) and decided to caucus with Democrats, so the control shifted back to the Democrats again with Daschle as Majority Leader.

But this go-around (even with there being 2 obvious Independents caucusing for (D)s), if given the opportunity? FUCK NO. Democrats will take over the Senate in terms of leadership.

SergeStorms

(20,808 posts)
21. Typical republican voter supression.
Sat Dec 19, 2020, 01:02 PM
Dec 2020

"Some observers, including President Donald Trump, have baselessly alleged that Georgia's processes during the November election were unfairly manipulated by Democrats."

So republicans are going to unfairly manipulate Georgia's processes in a preemptive attack on democracy. Whatever republicans accuse democrats of possibly doing, you can bet the house they've already done it.

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