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demmiblue

(36,911 posts)
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 02:09 PM Jan 2021

'I just want to find 11,780 votes': In extraordinary hour-long call, Trump pressures Georgia secreta

Source: WaPo

‘I just want to find 11,780 votes’: In extraordinary hour-long call, Trump pressures Georgia secretary of state to recalculate the vote in his favor

President Trump urged fellow Republican Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia secretary of state, to “find” enough votes to overturn his defeat in an extraordinary one-hour phone call Saturday that election experts said raised legal questions.

The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”

Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected his assertions, explaining that Trump is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 12,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.

Trump dismissed their arguments.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html?tid=ss_tw




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'I just want to find 11,780 votes': In extraordinary hour-long call, Trump pressures Georgia secreta (Original Post) demmiblue Jan 2021 OP
Concede already, jackass! Initech Jan 2021 #1
What as ass brokephibroke Jan 2021 #2
That's Why He's Searching High And Low For The Missing Votes To Save His Ass smb Jan 2021 #73
Even if this were to happen, he still loses with 248 electoral votes vs. Biden's 290. sinkingfeeling Jan 2021 #3
Nah, they wouldn't let up. The would say it set precendence and try to overturn the other states. nt woodsprite Jan 2021 #4
True that. Just plain stupid. AZ8theist Jan 2021 #69
I'm Sure He Was Trying To Lean On Other Swing State Officials smb Jan 2021 #74
After January 20, can Trump be indicted for a crime related to his attempts of election fraud? Lonestarblue Jan 2021 #5
He can definitely be indicted for his own election fraud jmowreader Jan 2021 #16
Trump's was tossed because their machines don't read sharpie (or crayon) jaxexpat Jan 2021 #39
Plus he voted by mail so he committed vote fraud... AZ8theist Jan 2021 #70
The words cornered rat cilla4progress Jan 2021 #6
Trump is showing us he is very desperate Yeehah Jan 2021 #30
He Knows He's Going To End Up In Prison Or In Exile smb Jan 2021 #75
And they lost their mind exboyfil Jan 2021 #7
Evidence. cilla4progress Jan 2021 #8
A recording exboyfil Jan 2021 #13
Might explain Corgigal Jan 2021 #24
and he'll still be short. asshole cant even do simple math. mopinko Jan 2021 #9
"Find me 11,780 votes, or I'll be very angry" dalton99a Jan 2021 #10
IS THERE ANY LAW that says you cant hang up on a sitting president? Why woud anyone put up Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2021 #11
Then there's the old ploy of you're "in a meeting" I WAS office support staff for many years and Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2021 #14
Glad he took the call and hit 'record' Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2021 #35
He was smart and knew to record the conversation. BigmanPigman Jan 2021 #67
Remember This Moment? (AZ Governor Ducey Ghosts President Doofus) smb Jan 2021 #76
Nixon was forced to resign for MUCH LESS than this criminal activity. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #12
Raffensperger has my respect Bayard Jan 2021 #15
yea kinda. but none of them had the guts to just say "You're wrong. You lost." TeamPooka Jan 2021 #38
how is this not a crime??? rdking647 Jan 2021 #17
RIGHT???? GODDAMN THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!! LymphocyteLover Jan 2021 #19
They won't do the 25th amendment, and what he is doing is impeachable, but it won't happen still_one Jan 2021 #26
It won't happe before the GA elections because we dare not make the tRumpsters upset yaesu Jan 2021 #61
Mr. President, Sir, Welcome to GA. We have a warrant for your arrest. MizLibby Jan 2021 #51
Oh there are several laws against this in GA. Many have gone to jail for far less there. flibbitygiblets Jan 2021 #65
He'll pay for them dlk Jan 2021 #18
The Trump virus caused 10690 deaths, per Worldometerx IggleDuer Jan 2021 #20
Does shit for brains not understand those "votes" STILL will NOT change the election! Behind the Aegis Jan 2021 #21
Imagine the calls to other states. Pepsidog Jan 2021 #47
Kick for exposure..K and R Stuart G Jan 2021 #22
The day trump drops dead is the day I will celebrate still_one Jan 2021 #23
That is why I keep saying that, as much as I would like to see that massive ass in prison, I am niyad Jan 2021 #45
I agree still_one Jan 2021 #48
Exactly birdographer Jan 2021 #62
Unfreakingbelievable. And it was recorded. MineralMan Jan 2021 #25
Trump doesn't realize yet that because he's such a scumbag liar EVERYONE is recording his calls TeamPooka Jan 2021 #40
Yeah, THAT wouldn't look suspicious, erasing 11,780 votes and winning by one vote bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #27
He'd still lose by 999 votes DeminPennswoods Jan 2021 #55
The mob boss wannabe keeps forgetting one simple fact: maddogesq Jan 2021 #28
Also, he doesn't have a "mob", only fellow grifters and slightly insane GOP wannabes. jaxexpat Jan 2021 #43
Geez! Now, I am really getting pissed. BarbD Jan 2021 #29
Not one where a single person has ever loved him alphafemale Jan 2021 #31
so crooked. talks like a mob boss. TeamPooka Jan 2021 #32
Rep Adam Schiff warned us; djacq Jan 2021 #33
I have said I hate him so many times over the last four years but Akacia Jan 2021 #34
If I ever get really bored with a LOT of time on my hands I'll make a list of the reasons I hate him groundloop Jan 2021 #50
So many reasons! Akacia Jan 2021 #66
Wow, how did they get this call, and release it? /nt bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #36
I want the next Attorney General on this January 21st Maeve Jan 2021 #37
Does no one have the balls to straight up tell him he lost and it's over? Generic Brad Jan 2021 #41
Now WHO on the Repug side is going to defend this??? liberalla Jan 2021 #42
Isn't this illegal? No one has the balls to tell Trump that he is breaking the law? UCmeNdc Jan 2021 #44
I just want to find 11,780 dollars in my sock drawer. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2021 #46
This can't be. Susan Collins said "he learned his lesson!!11!" PSPS Jan 2021 #49
It's true. tavernier Jan 2021 #64
How the FUCK.... Happy Hoosier Jan 2021 #52
None of this matters Catch2.2 Jan 2021 #53
None of this matters... Catch2.2 Jan 2021 #54
Asking Raffensperger to find just enough votes for him to win is a sure sign of criminal intent. patphil Jan 2021 #56
When minutes before Trumps said 100,000 votes were in question BUT I'm only interest in 11,780..... usaf-vet Jan 2021 #63
What I wouldn't give for 5 minutes and a baseball bat. 58Sunliner Jan 2021 #57
K&R MustLoveBeagles Jan 2021 #58
He even dragged Stacy Abrams thru the mud Karma13612 Jan 2021 #59
That is likely the most unrestrained, blatant bit of dirty politics that's ever been recorded.d/ BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #60
Carl Bernstein: This is the ultimate smoking gun tape onetexan Jan 2021 #68
Yet another "prefect" phone call. tclambert Jan 2021 #71
And of course, he's now suing the Georgia SOS for recording the phone call... truthisfreedom Jan 2021 #72
I suspect this same type of call went out to GOP officials in other swing states. honest.abe Jan 2021 #77

AZ8theist

(5,524 posts)
69. True that. Just plain stupid.
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:25 PM
Jan 2021

But why are we not suing the election in Kentucky where ACTUAL ELECTION FRAUD took place??

smb

(3,477 posts)
74. I'm Sure He Was Trying To Lean On Other Swing State Officials
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 10:21 AM
Jan 2021

Maybe this is just the first one where the tape got out.

Lonestarblue

(10,138 posts)
5. After January 20, can Trump be indicted for a crime related to his attempts of election fraud?
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 02:17 PM
Jan 2021

Trying to force the creation of votes that do not exist would seem illegal and criminal, but I don’t know whether Trump is violating specific laws. Threats to an election official should be illegal if they’re not already.

jmowreader

(50,574 posts)
16. He can definitely be indicted for his own election fraud
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 02:33 PM
Jan 2021

And so can Melania. Both of them claimed residence at an address that can’t legally be one, which means both of them voted illegally.

Yeehah

(4,599 posts)
30. Trump is showing us he is very desperate
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 03:23 PM
Jan 2021

He has lots of debts coming due. I am somewhat enjoying his clownish attempts to cling to power. I truly will enjoy watching his demise after he is no longer president.

smb

(3,477 posts)
75. He Knows He's Going To End Up In Prison Or In Exile
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 10:22 AM
Jan 2021

Also, if he didn't grift enough to pay off his Mafiya debts, he could end up falling out a window.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
7. And they lost their mind
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 02:18 PM
Jan 2021

When Gore specified two counties for a recount calling it vote mining.

Nice there is a recording for history. Please play it during the discussion of Georgia's Electoral votes in the House and Senate.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
13. A recording
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 02:26 PM
Jan 2021

I thought that might happen. Too many people were involved when he called the Sec State, and by that point he was angry and concerned given the earlier threats.

Good timing for it to come out. It seems like the cabal objecting on Tuesday or going to have some head wind.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
11. IS THERE ANY LAW that says you cant hang up on a sitting president? Why woud anyone put up
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 02:23 PM
Jan 2021

with that - just refer him to your attorney and hang up.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
14. Then there's the old ploy of you're "in a meeting" I WAS office support staff for many years and
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 02:27 PM
Jan 2021

if I had a dollar for every time I had to tell someone my boss was "in a meeting" when he or she really just didnt want to talk to that person - Id be rich!

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
17. how is this not a crime???
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 02:33 PM
Jan 2021

when the idiot goes to GA for his rally he should be met by the GA state police and taken away in handcuffs

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
61. It won't happe before the GA elections because we dare not make the tRumpsters upset
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:10 PM
Jan 2021

but he must be impeached again or Democracy will be lost, forever because there will be more fascists getting away with it in the future.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
65. Oh there are several laws against this in GA. Many have gone to jail for far less there.
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:47 PM
Jan 2021

with regard to election tampering specifically. And yet, I guess if you're a celebrity they let you do it and whatnot.

IggleDuer

(964 posts)
20. The Trump virus caused 10690 deaths, per Worldometerx
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 02:49 PM
Jan 2021

Surely they all might have voted for you. Mango Musselini could have pulled a lot closer, if had told the voters to wear masks.

Behind the Aegis

(54,038 posts)
21. Does shit for brains not understand those "votes" STILL will NOT change the election!
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 02:49 PM
Jan 2021

Even if he "wins" GA (by theft), he still loses the presidential election!

What a fucking dipshit!

Soon...soon...

niyad

(113,760 posts)
45. That is why I keep saying that, as much as I would like to see that massive ass in prison, I am
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 03:59 PM
Jan 2021

quite willing to let Kharma deal with him. He is f'n dangerous.

birdographer

(1,371 posts)
62. Exactly
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:26 PM
Jan 2021

I have the champagne, just waiting for the event. If he ceased to exist, SO MUCH shit would just go away!

TeamPooka

(24,285 posts)
40. Trump doesn't realize yet that because he's such a scumbag liar EVERYONE is recording his calls
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 03:47 PM
Jan 2021

so dumb.

bucolic_frolic

(43,442 posts)
27. Yeah, THAT wouldn't look suspicious, erasing 11,780 votes and winning by one vote
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 03:11 PM
Jan 2021

No one would suspect a thing!

maddogesq

(1,245 posts)
28. The mob boss wannabe keeps forgetting one simple fact:
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 03:17 PM
Jan 2021

Mob bosses worth their salt don't pick fights they know they can't win.

The Mango Moron would do better to go back and see who he can fleece to fund future adventures and those pesky legal bills arising from the Southern District of NY.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
31. Not one where a single person has ever loved him
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 03:27 PM
Jan 2021

He'd be a hitch hiking serial killer if he wasn't born rich.

djacq

(1,634 posts)
33. Rep Adam Schiff warned us;
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 03:40 PM
Jan 2021
"You can't trust this president to do the right thing. Not for one minute, not for one election, not for the sake of our country. You just can't. He will not change and you know it."


groundloop

(11,530 posts)
50. If I ever get really bored with a LOT of time on my hands I'll make a list of the reasons I hate him
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 04:54 PM
Jan 2021

Mocking a disabled reporter
Bragging about being able to 'grab 'em by the pussy'
Serial adulterer
Paid porn star to cover up adultery
6 or 7 (lost count) bankruptcies which screwed many small businesses and working people
Bragged about walking into the dressing room for young pageant contestants


and on and on.

At least I know he'll be out of our White House in 2 1/2 weeks.

Maeve

(42,305 posts)
37. I want the next Attorney General on this January 21st
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 03:42 PM
Jan 2021

It too short a time to impeach, and I want him to pay for this.

Generic Brad

(14,276 posts)
41. Does no one have the balls to straight up tell him he lost and it's over?
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 03:47 PM
Jan 2021

He lost. It's over. Move on, for Christ's sake.

UCmeNdc

(9,601 posts)
44. Isn't this illegal? No one has the balls to tell Trump that he is breaking the law?
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 03:52 PM
Jan 2021

No one in the DOJ is looking into this?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,375 posts)
46. I just want to find 11,780 dollars in my sock drawer.
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 04:05 PM
Jan 2021

I found 25 cents there the other day. So, it's possible. I just need to look again. One more time should do it.

tavernier

(12,410 posts)
64. It's true.
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:42 PM
Jan 2021

The lesson was that he could do anything he wanted and be impeached and the repubs wouldn’t do a thing about it, ever. That was the lesson you gave him and he learned it well.

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
53. None of this matters
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 05:05 PM
Jan 2021

if there are no consequences. Trump & the Republicans continue this because they have not been held accountable. They have been allowed to get away with this corruption without any consequences. If the Dems don't do anything, this corruption will continue but much worse!

Catch2.2

(629 posts)
54. None of this matters...
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 05:05 PM
Jan 2021

if there are no consequences. Trump & the Republicans continue this corruption because they have not been held accountable. They have been allowed to get away with this corruption without any consequences. If the Dems don't do anything, this corruption will continue but much worse!

patphil

(6,238 posts)
56. Asking Raffensperger to find just enough votes for him to win is a sure sign of criminal intent.
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 05:24 PM
Jan 2021

In essence, Trump wanted Raffensperger to cheat so he could win. I imagine he had similar conversations with Republican officials of all the "contested" states. Unfortunately for Trump the laws of Georgia made it legal to both record and publish the content of the call.

But then it's the Democrats who "fixed" the election....riiiight.
You can't fix what isn't broken. But, of course, Trump was perfectly willing to break it.

usaf-vet

(6,232 posts)
63. When minutes before Trumps said 100,000 votes were in question BUT I'm only interest in 11,780.....
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 07:36 PM
Jan 2021

F..K the other voters.

Karma13612

(4,555 posts)
59. He even dragged Stacy Abrams thru the mud
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 06:47 PM
Jan 2021

That is not going to help him or the GOP at all.

The 4:XX minute tape doesn’t mention her. But the full length 1 hour audio which I have listened to for 40 minutes so far DOES contain reference to Stacy in a very negative light.

Man, Trump is going down in a great implosion right before our eyes. I hope he does time for this crap.

onetexan

(13,078 posts)
68. Carl Bernstein: This is the ultimate smoking gun tape
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 10:13 PM
Jan 2021
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/03/trump-georgia-votes-raffensperger-call-tapes-bernstein-sot-vpx.cnn

Bernstein: "Republicans should be calling for him to resign immediately...The heroes of Watergate were Republicans who would not tolerate Richard Nixon's conduct".


tclambert

(11,087 posts)
71. Yet another "prefect" phone call.
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 11:38 PM
Jan 2021

After he's dethroned, Trump should teach a university course on phone etiquette.

Or maybe record voicemail messages: "At the tone, leave a message. Before I listen to it, I want you to do a favor for me first, though."

truthisfreedom

(23,163 posts)
72. And of course, he's now suing the Georgia SOS for recording the phone call...
Sun Jan 3, 2021, 11:47 PM
Jan 2021

Even though Georgia law states that only one party on a phone call needs to consent to the recording.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-sues-georgia-official-recording/

honest.abe

(8,688 posts)
77. I suspect this same type of call went out to GOP officials in other swing states.
Mon Jan 4, 2021, 10:36 AM
Jan 2021

Just dont have recordings of those.

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