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getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 07:30 PM Jan 2021

Citing 'censorship' concerns, North Idaho internet provider blocks Facebook, Twitter

Source: krem news

A North Idaho internet provider, Your T1 WIFI, confirmed it is blocking Facebook and Twitter from its WIFI service for some customers due to censorship claims.

The move comes after Twitter and Facebook banned President Trump from their platforms due to incitement of violence and undermining the transition of power to President elect Joe Biden.

The social media sites banned the President due to violations of their terms of service. Because Twitter and Facebook are private companies, their bans on the President do not violate the First Amendment, which protects speech from being limited by the government.



Read more: https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-and-twitter/293-867cc22b-fb90-4142-a296-8d800d2a03fb



The stupid - it hurts. Blocking censorship (which isn't) with censorship (which is).... the new normal?
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Citing 'censorship' concerns, North Idaho internet provider blocks Facebook, Twitter (Original Post) getagrip_already Jan 2021 OP
Nothern Idaho is a hotbed for white supremacists. Liberty Belle Jan 2021 #1
the full article spells out they are trying to punish facebook and twitter... getagrip_already Jan 2021 #4
does not sound like a good business model... dhill926 Jan 2021 #9
Not much of a punishment, if you ask me jmowreader Jan 2021 #50
Net Neutrality now! Another thing we lost with Trump. nt Pobeka Jan 2021 #2
And just like that the right isnt for free market Fullduplexxx Jan 2021 #3
Top notch technology Lithos Jan 2021 #5
lol..... getagrip_already Jan 2021 #6
He made claims of security expertise in his site Lithos Jan 2021 #15
It's like a 25 year old WWW time capsule. Gotta love the "Logo designs" too. Greg K Jan 2021 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Fullduplexxx Jan 2021 #7
I suspect some of their subscribers will begin censoring their payments accordingly. Xipe Totec Jan 2021 #8
You, sir, robleb Jan 2021 #31
Sounds like this provider doesn't belong on the internet at all C_U_L8R Jan 2021 #10
The users will just find another service mdbl Jan 2021 #11
easy in a city maybe, but not in the sticks..... getagrip_already Jan 2021 #13
"As long as they don't block the porn. The sweet, sweet porn. The straight kind. None of that Missn-Hitch Jan 2021 #41
Terrible copy on their company website. bushalert Jan 2021 #12
no kidding. it looks like it was developed in 1996 mdbl Jan 2021 #14
Blocking due to violation of terms of service. twodogsbarking Jan 2021 #16
but their poor fee fee's got hurt - is there no recourse? getagrip_already Jan 2021 #17
I can't help thinking about Don Jr. screaming twodogsbarking Jan 2021 #19
I read their email to their users... mdbl Jan 2021 #18
Ha ha ha ha! Customers have to OPT OUT of their block? Grokenstein Jan 2021 #45
They might just find themselves cut off with no content to provide pecosbob Jan 2021 #20
It's the Fumb Duck Idaho Bundy Republic where nothing is real and anything is true if we say so. Ford_Prefect Jan 2021 #21
Ah, right-wing logic! n/t SpankMe Jan 2021 #22
This ISP is only hurting it's customers who want access to Twitter and Facebook. They'll iluvtennis Jan 2021 #23
rural customers don't have many choices.... getagrip_already Jan 2021 #24
Wow...sounds like a business opportunity for the entrepreneurs out there. nt iluvtennis Jan 2021 #26
sure, go ahead and lay thousands of miles of line getagrip_already Jan 2021 #27
Thanks for the clarifying info - didn't know that. Would be nice if some policies could be passed iluvtennis Jan 2021 #28
the phone access was a part of the att breakup..... getagrip_already Jan 2021 #29
How about a rural 5G-ification initiative? Nasruddin Jan 2021 #34
isn't 5g good for like 2000+ feet? getagrip_already Jan 2021 #36
A solution that can work... mwooldri Jan 2021 #39
this is murca.... getagrip_already Jan 2021 #47
That's what Starlink is doing right now. Lancero Jan 2021 #40
That was a dumb ass move. marble falls Jan 2021 #25
Typical Republican approach: hurt everybody in order to get revenge or make $$$. nt live love laugh Jan 2021 #30
$100/month for 5mbs. rdking647 Jan 2021 #32
customers have a choice of one.... getagrip_already Jan 2021 #33
Stupid business decision. Marrah_Goodman Jan 2021 #35
Please proceed kimbutgar Jan 2021 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author kimbutgar Jan 2021 #38
I'm sure losing those 500 people are going to drive Facebook under relayerbob Jan 2021 #42
Does anyone still use local ISPs? Initech Jan 2021 #43
Comcast can go to hell. hunter Jan 2021 #48
Capitalism will prevail. Customer feedback will... JohnnyRingo Jan 2021 #46
So here's the deal.... Happy Hoosier Jan 2021 #49

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
4. the full article spells out they are trying to punish facebook and twitter...
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 07:36 PM
Jan 2021

I was limited by the 4 paragraph lbn rules.

But they are basically saying if you censor trump, we censor you.

jmowreader

(52,911 posts)
50. Not much of a punishment, if you ask me
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 09:07 PM
Jan 2021

This ISP serves the remotest and least-populated parts of Idaho.

I suspect this "punishment" will go away as soon as all 1200 of their customers start complaining. Their customer base is the kind of people who move to Idaho from California, then find a church before they start looking for a house. And those folks LOVE Facebook.

Lithos

(26,605 posts)
5. Top notch technology
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 07:41 PM
Jan 2021

Uses only the best Adobe Flash content on their website.

Single owner. Trumpster (based on his Instagram account).

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
6. lol.....
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 07:45 PM
Jan 2021

adobe has ended support and is requiring users to uninstall it.

Was it cuz of security reasons or just headaches?

But, poor parler has been p3ned.

Lithos

(26,605 posts)
15. He made claims of security expertise in his site
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:14 PM
Jan 2021

So, I guess he knows better than everyone else which is why he maintains the content on his business site.

Response to getagrip_already (Original post)

Xipe Totec

(44,480 posts)
8. I suspect some of their subscribers will begin censoring their payments accordingly.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 07:45 PM
Jan 2021

Partial pay for partial service.

C_U_L8R

(48,928 posts)
10. Sounds like this provider doesn't belong on the internet at all
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 07:51 PM
Jan 2021

Even if the bigger services that feed it don't cut it off, its customers certainly will.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
13. easy in a city maybe, but not in the sticks.....
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:07 PM
Jan 2021

Most people have exactly one choice for internet access. Yeah, there is satellite or cellular, but it is very expensive.

If you are outside of the metrosexual zone, you don't have a lot of choices.....

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
41. "As long as they don't block the porn. The sweet, sweet porn. The straight kind. None of that
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:47 PM
Jan 2021

gay stuff. The lard does not approve of the gay stuff."

Is what I think they would say after reading this article.

twodogsbarking

(17,613 posts)
16. Blocking due to violation of terms of service.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:19 PM
Jan 2021

Seems straightforward and not discriminatory. Suck it up losers.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
17. but their poor fee fee's got hurt - is there no recourse?
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:22 PM
Jan 2021

Can they not overthrow the government over it?

A fee fee denied is a fee fee killed!

twodogsbarking

(17,613 posts)
19. I can't help thinking about Don Jr. screaming
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:25 PM
Jan 2021

in a little girl voice "the President of the United States" when his daddy was spanked by Twitter.

mdbl

(8,132 posts)
18. I read their email to their users...
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:25 PM
Jan 2021

it says you can call and have the sites unblocked if you want to use them. They claim they were getting too many requests to block it so they are doing it in reverse, starting with everyone and unblocking as they get requests. I wonder how many really asked for it to be blocked. Sounds like they will be covered up with work on this one.

iluvtennis

(21,470 posts)
23. This ISP is only hurting it's customers who want access to Twitter and Facebook. They'll
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:43 PM
Jan 2021

lose subscribers over this action.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
24. rural customers don't have many choices....
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:47 PM
Jan 2021

They can't afford sat or cell, so they usually only have one choice of isp's.

trapped by monopoly coverage mostly.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
27. sure, go ahead and lay thousands of miles of line
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 08:59 PM
Jan 2021

for a few hundred customers. See how the financials look.

Unlike phone service, there is no federal order to force providers to share lines for internet access.

Companies have to lay new lines.

Without federal funding, there is no open and free access from multiple providers like there is with phone service.

Part of the complex web of an open internet for all.

iluvtennis

(21,470 posts)
28. Thanks for the clarifying info - didn't know that. Would be nice if some policies could be passed
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:04 PM
Jan 2021

to force te ISP providers to share lines like is done for phone service.

Everyone should have access to the internet - city folks and rural folks. My opinion only.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
29. the phone access was a part of the att breakup.....
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:07 PM
Jan 2021

The govt wanted to make sure competitors would have access to homes over existing infrastructure.

The internet literally didn't exist back then, so no provisions were added.

maybe something for a new congress.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
36. isn't 5g good for like 2000+ feet?
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 10:02 PM
Jan 2021

It's not a long distance transmission service. It needs far more towers than 4g.

I don't think it will work in rural areas.....

mwooldri

(10,788 posts)
39. A solution that can work...
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:07 PM
Jan 2021

Set up a non profit organization to lay fiber in the rural areas. Volunteers would lay the fiber. Landowners would grant access for the fiber. Already done in UK : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_for_the_Rural_North

In some places millimeter wave (I e. 5G) can provide a way to connect the "last few yards" but if the houses are thousands of yards apart the only viable way for a good connection is to lay the fiber.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
47. this is murca....
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 08:07 AM
Jan 2021

You would have to seize rights of way through eminent domain, and since it would be taking from the rich to give to the poor, it would spark violence.

In my town in central mass, there are landowners who refuse to give either the town or electric company access to their property to keep power lines clear of overhanging branches. The assholes don't have any reason, they just won't allow it.

So the idea of landowners in idaho or the dakotas or even mass giving rights of way is sadly misplaced.

Lancero

(3,260 posts)
40. That's what Starlink is doing right now.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:39 PM
Jan 2021

Already in beta for the northern US, supposedly they're going to be expanding service in a month or two.

Response to getagrip_already (Original post)

Initech

(107,536 posts)
43. Does anyone still use local ISPs?
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 01:06 AM
Jan 2021

I honestly had no idea they were still a thing. I have Verizon and Sepctrum for mine.

hunter

(40,389 posts)
48. Comcast can go to hell.
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 10:32 AM
Jan 2021

I'm fortunate to live in a place with multiple providers.

Our first high speed internet was a so-called alarm line direct to our ISP. This was before Comcast or Pacific Bell offered residential internet service. It's a DSL line now and much faster than it used to be since AT&T ran fiber to their curbside boxes.

One of our neighboring cities offers free internet to ALL residents. The city played hardball with the telcoms and won. This free service is ultimately supported by premium cell phone and cable services in the form of city leases for cell phone tower sites and cable right-of-ways. This free internet turned out to be highly beneficial to students from lower income families when covid-19 came around.

Some shit-hole U.S.A. states and counties, paid off by the telcoms, have legislated against these sorts deals, preserving the predatory monopolistic behavior of cable providers.

My wife and I live in a neighborhood with excellent cell phone connectivity and good broadcast television reception. Many of our neighbors have abandoned cable and landlines entirely for 4G and 5G service. This becomes an attractive option when cell phone providers such as T-Mobile are offering "free unlimited" DVD quality video and Netflix.

Once upon a time the U.S.A. managed to bring roads, electricity, and telephone service to rural area. There's no reason we couldn't do the same with high speed internet.

My wife's parents live in a rural area and don't have many internet choices. By an accident of geography they are line-of-site to a distant AT&T cell phone tower and use that for their internet. It's expensive, but not as expensive as satellite. Many of their neighbors who can't connect to this tower use satellite internet, or worse, suffer dial-up service over phone lines that were last upgraded in the 'sixties or 'seventies and fail every time the wind blows hard enough to knock down trees.

Our children live in big cities and enjoy high speed fiber internet direct to their homes. They don't subscribe to any traditional television services. Neither do their cousins. They pay no attention at all to traditional television or radio. This probably explains all the television and radio advertising directed to sedentary old farts...

Mostly my wife and I watch Netflix and DVDs. We can 'cast other stuff to our television but rarely do. The last time I played with broadcast television was during the switch-over to digital. We haven't watched any broadcast television for more than a decade and never see any television commercials.

Personally, I think television news and opinion is less than worthless. It appeals mostly to our "lizard brains." Traditional television made Trump. Traditional television needs to die.

I read my news. My wife and I still subscribe to an actual paper newspaper and have electronic subscriptions to other regional and national newspapers.

JohnnyRingo

(20,534 posts)
46. Capitalism will prevail. Customer feedback will...
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 01:22 AM
Jan 2021

...cause T1 to reconsider to protect their bottom line.
Capitalism is really why Twitter finally banned Trump. He crossed a line and became a financial liability.

The amazing thing is that T1 assumes their customers are as livid as they are and be happy to lose FB and Twitter. "Yeah! Take it away from us!" said no one ever.

Even Pat Robertson would complain if they took away his Pornhub.

Happy Hoosier

(9,421 posts)
49. So here's the deal....
Tue Jan 12, 2021, 10:41 AM
Jan 2021

We gunna censor them because they censor folks!

LOL.

But hey, it is their choice. I assume people can select another ISP.

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