Man known as 'QAnon Shaman' asks Trump for pardon after storming Capitol

[Judi Lynn]

Source: The Hill


BY CAMERON JENKINS - 01/14/21 08:51 PM EST

A man who donned fur, horns and red, white and blue face paint while storming the Capitol last week is now requesting a pardon from President Trump.

Jacob Anthony Chansley, who also goes by the name “QAnon Shaman," turned himself in to authorities Saturday after he traveled to Washington, D.C., at Trump's call for "patriots" to take a stand against the election results.

His attorney Albert Watkins is now making a plea for a pardon, stating that Chansley was not involved in Wednesday's violence and surrendered peacefully.

“My client had heard the oft-repeated words of President Trump,” Watkins said, according to local CBS station KMOV4. “The words and invitation of a president are supposed to mean something. Given the peaceful and compliant fashion in which Mr. Chansley comported himself, it would be appropriate and honorable for the president to pardon Mr. Chansley and other like-minded, peaceful individuals who accepted the president’s invitation with honorable intentions.”

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/news/534363-man-known-as-qanon-shaman-asks-trump-for-pardon-after-storming-capitol

[applegrove]

1. His lawyer is blaming Trump for leading him to the Capitol that day and

the months leading up to it. That seems to be the defence: President told him to go to the Capitol, Trump owes him a pardon.

[LizBeth]

3. That would be my argument.

[Escurumbele]

37. Wrong way to ask for a pardon, he IS blaming the buffoon, which is true, but wrong way to go at it

The buffoon's lawyers will understand this guy is placing all the blame on him, that will make the buffoon react negatively so my bet is that the "peaceful" protester will not get a pardon because he just made the case for final impeachment and future indictments much better for the prosecution..."He told me to do it!"

[NoRoadUntravelled]

54. Are Trump supporters going to throw their leader under the bus now?

It's beginning to look like the start of a lunatic feeding frenzy.

[stopbush]

2. Honorable intentions.

Fuck that. Lock em up, throw away the key.

And while they’re at it, he can eat regular food just like everyone else. There are no studies showing organically raised/grown foods to be more nutritional than regular foods.

[captain queeg]

4. Good. He's putting the shitbag on the spot

Pardon him and it affirms his inciting the attack, pardon him and lose more followers.

[NJCher]

5. Hahah

Squirm, asshole.

You had all the tools the rest of us had to determine trump was a liar.

Don’t make me go look up your English teacher to testify that she covered critical thinking.

[Doreen]

6. This man would be very upset if he found out

that people like him disgust donny.

[barbtries]

34. really.

i can see trump refusing to pardon him on the basis of the ridiculous outfit he was wearing. but mostly on the basis of it would make trump look bad.

[Demobrat]

7. If he's entitled to a pardon

because he was just following orders, then aren’t they all? Shouldn’t Trump pardon ALL the rioters who get arrested?

[Lil Mushakan]

58. The thing about impeachment is

The president is unable to pardon himself or anyone else involved in the action that caused him to be impeached.

Trump can't do anything now to save his followers that got arrested. You'd think when his people claim to be so dedicated to the constitution, they'd know that.

Oh well. Eventually that organic food option is going to wear out, too. It is a pleasantry right now. After the Shaman is convicted, he is going to have a hard time convincing any judge he deserves anything not standard issue.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

59. "I was just following orders" was Adolf Eichmann's defense.

No one accepted then, and no one should accept it now.

[patricia92243]

8. I;ll bet Trump pardons him and a bunch or other rioters on his

way out the door.

[Escurumbele]

38. I don't think so, donny uses them, but he doesn't do anything for them, plus the guy just placed

culpability of his actions on donny...and donny doesn't like "low class" people, even though he is a "low class" himself...maybe that is why he doesn't like them, he sees himself in them and he doesn't like what he sees.

This is essentially what his lawyer said:
Hey MF, I did this because you told me to, so now get me out of the mess you got me in.

[mr_lebowski]

9. Notice how shitbird didn't invite ANY y'all over to HIS crib? Oh no ...

He sent your unwashed, stupid asses to over to OTHER people's house.

Know what that means, DIPSHIT?

It means you weren't INVITED, cause he didn't have the authority to invite you to the CAPITOL.

You see, that's the Legislature's building.

And you'd know that if you'd graduated ... I dunno ... the 5th f***ing grade?

[Aristus]

50. Fourth, in my case.

I grew up in Department of Defense schools. They covered civics early and well...

[keithbvadu2]

55. Fellow graduate of Jethro Bodine, sixth grade

[PSPS]

10. "heard the oft-repeated words of President Trump" means "i was just following orders"

[Cha]

20. ".. & got Brainwashed.. "

[keithbvadu2]

56. small load of laundry

[Cha]

62. Yeah

[BeyondGeography]

11. Trump didn't like the "low class" look of the rioters

Buffalo Q was one of them. Some reports even had Trump mentioning him specifically.

Anyway, love the just-following-orders angle for reinforcing the truth that Trump incited a riot.

[ArizonaLib]

16. Didn't I see a black and white movie a while back about a bunch of Nazi leaders

in court claiming they were just following orders?

[OhioTim]

12. Is This The Beginning

of hundreds of pardons?

[elleng]

15. Prolly, at least a lot of them.

4 days left.

[Auggie]

13. Silly Shaman ... pardons cost money. Got a spare million?

[SergeStorms]

14. The traitorous scum are going to find out...

just how much Donnie "loves" them. Trump is sticking it up Rudy's poop chute. Rudy, Trump's closest ally and friend. And you think Donnie gives a shit about you bunch of slack-jawed, mouth breathing, booger eating morons? Good luck, skippy. You and your ilk didn't pony up hundreds of thousands of dollars for a pardon. Those things cost money you know. You might get a medal of freedom, but that's small consolation when you're in prison. Donnie hands those out like condoms at a Jeffrey Epstein get together. You're fucked, buffalo boy.

[Botany]

17. "Given the peaceful and compliant fashion in which Mr. Chansley comported himself,"

[Raster]

26. fraud "shaman" needs to spend some time in prison

[Botany]

42. Yup! And see how well his Joey Badaas act along with his Ayran Brotherhood type tattoos ...

... go over with some of the fellows in the joint. I might be wrong but I don't think he
will be able to get his meth in the joint either.

[bedazzled]

57. glad someone recognizes that this idiot is no shaman

real shamans are leaders and healers. that guy is an asshole

[FailureToCommunicate]

51. One can't help but notice: this animal has perfect teeth!

[Botany]

52. Could be dentures .... he might have lost his teeth to meth

Just saying.

[GoneOffShore]

18. According to the Constitution an impeached President can't pardon anyone.

[januoro]

21. I don't think that's true

Trump has pardoned people sauce being impeached for the first time.

[mdbl]

24. I would like to see the Constitution amended to say that

it would only make sense. Maybe that would avoid another totally criminal cabal like this one.

[GoneOffShore]

27. Looks vague

In the United States, the pardon power for offenses against the United States is granted to the President of the United States under Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution which states that the President "shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment".

[obamanut2012]

29. That only means people who are impeached may not be pardoned for the impeached offenses

Period.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. Not vague. Clear. The "cases" refers to the cases up for pardon, not the president

The President can't pardon impeached judges to let them reclaim office, for example.

[Escurumbele]

39. I believe you are correct, what he cannot do is pardon himself.

"Under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the president cannot pardon himself," Mary C. Lawton, acting assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel, said in a memo on Aug. 5, 1974. Nixon resigned on Aug. 9, 1974.

[Lil Mushakan]

60. He is constitutionally unable

to pardon anyone that has convictions tied to the action that got him impeached. He could pardon them if they committed any other crime, but since they were involved in a riot he inspired, he is unable to pardon them.

Article II section II

"and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

[riversedge]

19. Chansley considers it a win that the terrorists made the lawmakers hunker down in offices..........

He is not sorry at all



............Chansley is facing charges including knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds.



In the days following the riot, Chansley told NBC News that he did not see anything wrong with his actions.

"The fact that we had a bunch of our traitors in office hunker down, put on their gas masks and retreat into their underground bunker, I consider that a win," he said, referring to the lawmakers inside the building who had to take shelter.

Earlier this week, Chansley reportedly refused to eat food given to him while in custody because it was not organic.

[alphafemale]

22. If he pardons these people his conviction is guaranteed

If he had not gone through that swift impeachment he would have.

[ucrdem]

23. Trump isn't going to give you a pardon you dumbass

Trump is going to throw you under the bus.

[Raster]

25. First of all, tRump* can flap his lips all he wants, but he has NO AUTHORITY to invite...

...ANYONE to the United State Capitol Building. That building complex is the property of the people and is administered and occupied by the FIRST BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT, the Legislative. tRump* has ZERO authority over the Capitol... and he KNEW THIS when he encouraged #domesticterrorists to riot and overtake the building. Even tRump* cannot formally enter the Capitol without and invitation and permission from Congress.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

28. Chansley left a THREAT for Pence in the Senate "It's only a matter of time, justice is coming"

He is not benign or simply amusing. He, like so many in the mob, is a criminal and a threat to people.

[Jillgirl]

30. A pardon from Trump may not be worth much at this point.

Article 2, section 2 of the US Constitution:

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

This is vague. It may mean Trump can't use his pardon power now, after he's been impeached. My understanding is that the meaning of this clause has never been ruled on in court. And it's not likely to be ruled on in the next 5 days. So there's doubt. It's not clear whether pardons granted by Trump are valid at this time, so even if Chansley et al get such pardons, the pardons may not be valid.

I'm hoping this doubt is enough to stop Trump's spree of buying illegal behavior in his last days in office.

[HuskyOffset]

40. That makes no sense

If it were true, then Trump couldn't have pardoned anyone any time after he was first impeached. Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?

[Jillgirl]

49. I think a reasonable interpretation for "except in cases of impeachment"

is "except at times when an impeachment is happening." That would mean the time between Congress's vote for impeachment and the Senate's action on it.

I admit that other interpretations are possible.

But now, Trump has been impeached and the Senate has not yet acted, and is not likely to act before his term is over. So any pardon he issues is under a cloud, because a court may interpret the impeachment clause to mean that he can't issue pardons now.

Trump's first impeachment case was over when the Senate acquitted him.

[Historic NY]

32. Organic food....

thats a good one.


[link:https://www.thecut.com/2021/01/qanon-shaman-jake-angeli-to-get-organic-diet-in-custody.html|]

[Harker]

33. After griping about how "low class" the insurrectionists

looked, I'd bet that Trumpsky ignores him.

[bucolic_frolic]

35. Narcissistic Pardon Disorder

He thinks he's Trump?

[samnsara]

36. maybe this is a good reason for charging them with lesser crimes and then working up to sedition..

...which will take more than 5 days

[myohmy2]

41. c'mon trump...

"...making a plea for a pardon, stating that Chansley was not involved in Wednesday's violence and surrendered peacefully. "

...he's your supporter...pardon your poor victim of circumstances, your poor innocent bystander...

...have a heart, he was just out for a walk and some fresh air...

...

[Paladin]

43. Even a pardon won't save Horn Boy.

He'll go home, his Mommy will fix him his beloved organic food for a few days....and then the lunacy will kick in, he'll find another goofy costume and a semi-auto to go with it (not just a mere spear), and he'll be on the Qanon front lines once more. An easy target.

[Gamecock Lefty]

44. Why couldn't we have held off charges to these traitors . . .

Until after Biden took office? No Trump = no pardons.

Couldn't we have done that?

[marble falls]

46. Wanna a make a bet on pardons? I bet not one from the Capital insurection gets a pardon.

[marble falls]

45. "Anyone here with honorable intentions? ... anyone? ... anyone?". "Me!" said the painted furry guy.

[ADK]

47. If the Shaman and Trump were co-conspirators,

Can Trump give a pardon? While Presidential pardon power otherwise may be absolute, pardoning a co-conspirator seems akin to pardoning oneself, and while Trump can try that, the likelihood that his self-pardon will survive judicial scrutiny is thin. I doubt that there could be any precedent or scholarly examination of the ability to pardon co-conspirators, which once was only fodder for a hypothetical on a law school exam.

[turbinetree]

48. Some one was killed and beaten to death for his Shaman actions...............

[mainer]

53. QBacca is the name they're using on twitter

easier to say than QAnon Shaman.

[Lucky Luciano]

61. Sorry fucko. Enjoy Gitmo.

[Borderer]

63. BIG mistake by his lawyer saying that Trump "owes" the rioters pardons.

Definitely not the word to use when you want something from him, as many a contractor/lender/employee/mark can attest to. Shameless sycophancy would have been a much better strategy.

[FakeNoose]

64. I'm convinced this guy is working for Pootie

... or else Rebekkah Mercer. Not much difference between em'.