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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:37 AM Jan 2021

Lawmakers who conspired with Capitol attackers in legal peril

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Source: Politico

Lawmakers who interacted with the pro-Trump protesters who rioted at the Capitol last week could face criminal charges and will almost certainly come under close scrutiny in the burgeoning federal investigation into the assault, former prosecutors said.

“This is incredibly serious,” said Ron Machen, a former U.S. attorney for Washington, D.C. “Although you would need compelling evidence before charging a member of Congress with anything related to the breach of the Capitol that day, this has to be investigated.”

Unlike with the president, there’s no Justice Department policy shielding members of Congress from legal accountability while in office.
“I’d say those are potentially viable prosecutions,” added Peter Zeidenberg, another former federal prosecutor in Washington. “I’d say those guys should be worried.”

The role members of Congress may have played in facilitating the deadly attack drew intense attention this week after Democratic lawmakers alleged that some of their Republican colleagues facilitated tours of the Capitol on January 5 — one day before demonstrators engaged in the assault that terrorized lawmakers, ransacked congressional offices and left as many as five people dead.



Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/14/lawmakers-capitol-attackers-legal-459519

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Lawmakers who conspired with Capitol attackers in legal peril (Original Post) brooklynite Jan 2021 OP
All coups start within. BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2021 #1
treason.....send them all to the 'lectric chair Gato Moteado Jan 2021 #2
Preacher's been to see me, I'm goin' to the chair--hah! Burn me up. panader0 Jan 2021 #14
This cannot be swept under the rug! OldBaldy1701E Jan 2021 #3
I'm with you, Baldy. BComplex Jan 2021 #40
I should hope so. ananda Jan 2021 #4
Dress them up and send them out by rail. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #5
LOL! pandr32 Jan 2021 #34
YOU WIN!!! I was wondering if anyone would see that. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #35
It IS hysterical! pandr32 Jan 2021 #39
Interesting quote matt819 Jan 2021 #6
The nation DENVERPOPS Jan 2021 #31
I don't know if this had been proven yet or not but if true they all should be expelled for Congress Botany Jan 2021 #7
+1 llmart Jan 2021 #8
If you can put those treasonous Congresspersons in the Capitol giving tours to "those people" one Botany Jan 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author volstork Jan 2021 #16
I have not seen those, either. MelissaB Jan 2021 #20
Those turned out to be taken a few months back in Colorado. They weren't BComplex Jan 2021 #42
Will delete my initial post. volstork Jan 2021 #44
Sure thing. I fell for it the first time, too, and was outraged. BComplex Jan 2021 #45
You are so correct! volstork Jan 2021 #46
And with enough pressure, maybe someone will talk nt Wicked Blue Jan 2021 #18
...that is certainly a basket of deplorable members!! Sancho Jan 2021 #15
Well you can get them on the day before by signing in and by CCTV and during Trump's Coup .... Botany Jan 2021 #17
Hope all Rebl2 Jan 2021 #26
During a pandemic when such tours are restricted. They were part of an attempt to overthrow U.S.nt Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #30
She-Laura Sessions, said she got the info from Rachael's show. 58Sunliner Jan 2021 #38
Simple...carrot and stick JT45242 Jan 2021 #9
I doubt any terrorists with lawmakers helping them were smart enough not to brag about it. brewens Jan 2021 #10
It's already started. Marcuse Jan 2021 #36
I'm convinced Boebert's mother Shawn Bentz is #BullhornLady Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #11
Report her on the FBI hotline. If you're wrong, you're wrong, no big Cozmo Jan 2021 #24
That's where this investigation goes, and must go bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #13
Trumpism is treason, we need to root it out...nt Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #19
KnR Hekate Jan 2021 #21
This is going to be the biggest scandal of our lifetime Dukkha Jan 2021 #22
Scandal wise, in U.S. history. C Moon Jan 2021 #27
Which is worse? Lil Mushakan Jan 2021 #23
Remember the guy who said, "Are you willing C Moon Jan 2021 #28
hahaha obamanut2012 Jan 2021 #29
Lordy, I hope there are surveillance videos of anyone that led those "tours" FailureToCommunicate Jan 2021 #25
Lawmakers who conspired with Capitol attackers in legal peril...Make good on that promise NotHardly Jan 2021 #32
I will believe it when I see it happening and hope it does. appleannie1 Jan 2021 #33
That's where I am with it, appleannie1. If they don't pursue and punish this to the highest level BComplex Jan 2021 #43
How much are they involved with twodogsbarking Jan 2021 #37
And, the world is watching. BarbD Jan 2021 #41
No mercy for those fucking MAGA "tour guide" assholes Blue Owl Jan 2021 #47
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Jan 2021 #48
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Jan 2021 #49
After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING Omaha Steve Jan 2021 #50

BlueTsunami2018

(4,988 posts)
1. All coups start within.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:39 AM
Jan 2021

These people are traitors, flat out.

Gato Moteado

(10,176 posts)
2. treason.....send them all to the 'lectric chair
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:43 AM
Jan 2021

panader0

(25,816 posts)
14. Preacher's been to see me, I'm goin' to the chair--hah! Burn me up.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:02 AM
Jan 2021

OldBaldy1701E

(11,142 posts)
3. This cannot be swept under the rug!
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:45 AM
Jan 2021

We have to stay on top of this, constantly push for it, and not let them doubletalk their way out of it. If this shit is true... heads MUST roll (figuratively of course).

BComplex

(9,912 posts)
40. I'm with you, Baldy.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:17 PM
Jan 2021

They need to be locked away for life if they did this. The fact that Cruz and Hawley are guilty is already in evidence.

ananda

(35,140 posts)
4. I should hope so.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 08:48 AM
Jan 2021

Lock them up!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
5. Dress them up and send them out by rail.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:03 AM
Jan 2021

pandr32

(14,270 posts)
34. LOL!
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:51 PM
Jan 2021

I believe someone put DT's face on the person wearing tar and feathers!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
35. YOU WIN!!! I was wondering if anyone would see that.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:59 PM
Jan 2021

I didn't make the edit... but I thought it was hysterical.

pandr32

(14,270 posts)
39. It IS hysterical!
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 01:23 PM
Jan 2021

Except the hands are too big.
I wish he would be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
6. Interesting quote
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:08 AM
Jan 2021

“This is incredibly serious,” said Ron Machen, a former U.S. attorney for Washington, D.C. “Although you would need compelling evidence before charging a member of Congress with anything related to the breach of the Capitol that day, this has to be investigated.”

Why would the evidence need to be any more compelling than the evidence needed to investigate charge the 100+ that have already been charged.

Several reps have already reported that other reps gave recon tours. That seems to be worthy of investigating, without the mealy mouthed conditions alluded to.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
31. The nation
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:02 PM
Jan 2021

will, in the future, find out just why it was so important for the RepubliCONs to quite literally pack the Appellate courts with their RepubliCON loyalists for the past 20 years. Hell, look at the Number Mitch has shoved thru in just the past four years under Trump...
AND, if the RepubliCON Judge fails them, there is always the supreme court!!!!!! LOL

Botany

(77,316 posts)
7. I don't know if this had been proven yet or not but if true they all should be expelled for Congress
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:18 AM
Jan 2021

Last edited Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:57 PM - Edit history (1)





llmart

(17,615 posts)
8. +1
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:23 AM
Jan 2021

I heard on morning news that all tours of the Capitol were banned prior to this due to Covid, so these tours that were given by these reps violated the ban to start with. However, proving there was intentional malicious purposes for the tours may be hard to prove???

I don't doubt there's anything that treasonous bunch wouldn't do.

Botany

(77,316 posts)
12. If you can put those treasonous Congresspersons in the Capitol giving tours to "those people" one
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:52 AM
Jan 2021

...day prior to Trump's attempted coup and then those same people in the Capitol the next day during the attack
you got them. Especially if you had multiple Congresspersons doing the exact same thing because that might show
a conspiracy to overthrow the legally elected government.

Response to Botany (Reply #12)

MelissaB

(16,595 posts)
20. I have not seen those, either.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:35 AM
Jan 2021

Thanks for looking for the link.

BComplex

(9,912 posts)
42. Those turned out to be taken a few months back in Colorado. They weren't
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:19 PM
Jan 2021

legitimate.

volstork

(5,836 posts)
44. Will delete my initial post.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 03:30 PM
Jan 2021

Thank you for the correct info.

BComplex

(9,912 posts)
45. Sure thing. I fell for it the first time, too, and was outraged.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 03:36 PM
Jan 2021

But there are people (russians?) who start the spread of disinformation on both sides to rile us all up. It works! But it's the liberals/progressives that catch it and disavow it. Not so much the republinazis.

volstork

(5,836 posts)
46. You are so correct!
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 03:39 PM
Jan 2021

Wicked Blue

(8,866 posts)
18. And with enough pressure, maybe someone will talk nt
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:15 AM
Jan 2021

Sancho

(9,205 posts)
15. ...that is certainly a basket of deplorable members!!
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:09 AM
Jan 2021

Assuming those on the "tour" signed in and can be identified, it will be interesting how many were also participating in the riot.

Botany

(77,316 posts)
17. Well you can get them on the day before by signing in and by CCTV and during Trump's Coup ....
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:14 AM
Jan 2021

... the next day by CCTV, other pictures and video, and if they used their phones during the
riot and those phones "pinged" inside the Capitol.

Rebl2

(17,738 posts)
26. Hope all
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:11 AM
Jan 2021

are thoroughly investigated and possibly charged if it is found that they gave information to the insurrection mob, like maps and if they pointed out Democrats offices and where Pence would be.

Evolve Dammit

(21,774 posts)
30. During a pandemic when such tours are restricted. They were part of an attempt to overthrow U.S.nt
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:55 AM
Jan 2021

58Sunliner

(6,326 posts)
38. She-Laura Sessions, said she got the info from Rachael's show.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 01:09 PM
Jan 2021

JT45242

(4,043 posts)
9. Simple...carrot and stick
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:47 AM
Jan 2021

To the people on cctv with a rep the day before.

They have 5 minutes to decide if we amend the indictment to include the 5 death penalty cases or not. You give the highest person on the food chain.

If you do, then your recommended sentence will be 25 to life. Otherwise, we'll book your passage to terre haute and death row.

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
10. I doubt any terrorists with lawmakers helping them were smart enough not to brag about it.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:48 AM
Jan 2021

They may even gladly hand over that information expecting them to save them somehow or use it as a defense. They probably thought those lawmakers would be heroes when they took over the government and expected to be successful. The lawmakers denying knowing them and any involvement, will be more likely to make them testify against them.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
11. I'm convinced Boebert's mother Shawn Bentz is #BullhornLady
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:48 AM
Jan 2021

Lots of facial feature resemblances.

Had a "detailed tour" when Boebert was sworn in.

Wears same brand of sunglasses with square logo on side.

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
24. Report her on the FBI hotline. If you're wrong, you're wrong, no big
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:52 AM
Jan 2021

bucolic_frolic

(55,129 posts)
13. That's where this investigation goes, and must go
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 09:59 AM
Jan 2021

I have every confidence the FBI will follow every lead.

The extent of the demonstrations, in an almost ironic way, gives me more belief that the 2016 election was not stolen. Trump just motivated every last non-voting idiot in every dead-end town to vote, and here they are.

In my mind this is the biggest event since the JFK assassination, and surely more widespread.

Wounded Bear

(64,323 posts)
19. Trumpism is treason, we need to root it out...nt
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:25 AM
Jan 2021

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
21. KnR
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:37 AM
Jan 2021

Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
22. This is going to be the biggest scandal of our lifetime
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:41 AM
Jan 2021

The level of corruption and severity of the treason will dwarf Watergate.

C Moon

(13,642 posts)
27. Scandal wise, in U.S. history.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:17 AM
Jan 2021

Lil Mushakan

(19 posts)
23. Which is worse?
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:45 AM
Jan 2021

The lawmakers that pushed lies and conspiracy and then helped the rioters and looters through our capitol as they attacked us or the lawmakers that pushed lies and conspiracy because they believed it would help their ends or because they just believe the lies?

The ones that insurrected seem like the less dangerous ones to me...

C Moon

(13,642 posts)
28. Remember the guy who said, "Are you willing
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:19 AM
Jan 2021

to die for Trump?”

How the hell does that rhetoric go unpunished?

obamanut2012

(29,367 posts)
29. hahaha
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:24 AM
Jan 2021

FailureToCommunicate

(14,605 posts)
25. Lordy, I hope there are surveillance videos of anyone that led those "tours"
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:53 AM
Jan 2021
 

NotHardly

(2,705 posts)
32. Lawmakers who conspired with Capitol attackers in legal peril...Make good on that promise
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:13 PM
Jan 2021

appleannie1

(5,457 posts)
33. I will believe it when I see it happening and hope it does.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:33 PM
Jan 2021

BComplex

(9,912 posts)
43. That's where I am with it, appleannie1. If they don't pursue and punish this to the highest level
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:40 PM
Jan 2021

and fullest extent of the law, AS IT DESERVES, I will lose all respect for our system of justice.

twodogsbarking

(18,774 posts)
37. How much are they involved with
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 01:07 PM
Jan 2021

Russia, Saudi Arabia, Trump's other allies?

BarbD

(1,431 posts)
41. And, the world is watching.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:18 PM
Jan 2021

Obviously our enemies are licking their chops.

Blue Owl

(59,086 posts)
47. No mercy for those fucking MAGA "tour guide" assholes
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 03:45 PM
Jan 2021

Omaha Steve

(109,221 posts)
48. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 04:43 PM
Jan 2021

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