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ForgoTheConsequence

(5,186 posts)
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:31 PM Jan 2021

Dianne Feinstein defends GOP senators' right to object to election results

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

WASHINGTON — Sen. Dianne Feinstein defended Republican senators who objected to Electoral College results and downplayed the importance of an upcoming impeachment trial for President Trump, diverging from her Democratic colleagues.

...

The California Democrat was asked Tuesday about Republicans who objected to the Electoral College results that Congress certified early Jan. 7, after a pro-Trump insurrection that resulted in five deaths had been cleared from the Capitol. Republican Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas and Josh Hawley of Missouri led the objections to President-elect Joe Biden’s victory even after members of Congress were forced to hide from the rioters, and have faced calls for censure or punishment as a result.

Feinstein, however, defended their right to object, calling Senate debate the “highest-level dialogue” in democracy.

...

Other Senate Democrats have called for Cruz and Hawley to be punished. Delaware Sen. Chris Coons, a moderate and ally of Biden, urged them to resign. Others have said that at a minimum they should leave the powerful Judiciary Committee, of which Feinstein is also a member. She surrendered her ranking Democratic position on the panel in November.

Read more: https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Dianne-Feinstein-defends-GOP-senators-right-to-15882248.php

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Dianne Feinstein defends GOP senators' right to object to election results (Original Post) ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2021 OP
FFS!! Can't California do better?? Bleacher Creature Jan 2021 #1
It's not about CA, it's sadly about dementia. Having moonscape Jan 2021 #113
I wonder if Sen. Feinstein is getting soft............. secondwind Jan 2021 #2
I believe "soft" is too charitable a description of what has happened to her. Paladin Jan 2021 #21
She has lost her ability to discern which side she's on. jaxexpat Jan 2021 #83
Bullseye. Thank you. (nt) Paladin Jan 2021 #110
Its not about which side she is on, its about knowing what is right or wrong Escurumbele Jan 2021 #116
No, it's not about knowing which side she's on. It's about which side is on the side of Nitram Jan 2021 #140
She hugged Graham at the Karma13612 Jan 2021 #22
This woman has been entrenched in my life since 1977 CountAllVotes Jan 2021 #48
She really needs to retire Karma13612 Jan 2021 #103
I've wanted her out since her vote for Iraq Resolution for War under GWMcIdiot. n/t aggiesal Jan 2021 #44
To me, this is as bad as... SergeStorms Jan 2021 #74
It isn't soft. Her staff has said that she has memory and other problems. Lonestarblue Jan 2021 #50
She needs to resign while Newsom is Governor. Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #68
I had the chance to interview Gavin Newsom at the Democratic Party Convention a few years back ... aggiesal Jan 2021 #98
I wouldn't mind that someday, Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #99
+ agree. nt iluvtennis Jan 2021 #67
Disagree with DiFi on this one. The GOPers had no right to block the counting of the iluvtennis Jan 2021 #69
oh my. this is the ultimate in tone deafness!!! NRaleighLiberal Jan 2021 #3
Yeah. I'd expect Dianne to be clueless, but her entire staff? Auggie Jan 2021 #53
Bad thing to say. Worse time to say it. dchill Jan 2021 #4
High level? Timewas Jan 2021 #5
I really think she suffers from dementia. redstatebluegirl Jan 2021 #6
She's pushing 90.... secondwind Jan 2021 #9
I think so too. Turin_C3PO Jan 2021 #42
She does! True Blue American Jan 2021 #49
Sure appears to be the case. Wellstone ruled Jan 2021 #51
Her cheese has slid off the cracker N/T bigtime Jan 2021 #7
Yours may someday too. I hope someone intervenes redstatebluegirl Jan 2021 #11
Never heard that one before! Thanks, I needed a good laugh! Canoe52 Jan 2021 #71
She needs to just keep her thoughts to herself. scarletwoman Jan 2021 #8
I am only 73 and I can tell I am not to be trusted with making major decisions. LiberalArkie Jan 2021 #18
Resign please, and quit being a tool for Republicans BlueJac Jan 2021 #10
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Feinstein was tone deaf on this one Raven123 Jan 2021 #12
Don't get it DownriverDem Jan 2021 #13
she needs to GO FirstLight Jan 2021 #14
I doubt she'd run for re-election (2024), though apparently she's already filed paperwork ... Auggie Jan 2021 #55
...that's what's even crazier is that she's filed to do so! FirstLight Jan 2021 #62
I don't think she'll run Auggie Jan 2021 #65
Post removed Post removed Jan 2021 #15
Please make her change her party. Never thought she'd be a RINO. PA_jen Jan 2021 #16
Uhhhh -- that would give the senate to the GOP TimeToGo Jan 2021 #19
Exactly. Some people shoot by the hip without thinking of the consequences. While her comments still_one Jan 2021 #27
Can't give up a Dem Senator Maggiemayhem Jan 2021 #31
I'd like to see her resign. PA_jen Jan 2021 #32
I'm ok with that TimeToGo Jan 2021 #39
She is messed up, and does not realize how un helpful her comments are on this. That nearly still_one Jan 2021 #17
not to mention the fact that the election system integrity has been tested harder than ever before mdbl Jan 2021 #112
She isn't going to resign, and her legislative actions have been always been progressive still_one Jan 2021 #119
Well if she hasn't relized by now they were trying to overturn the election, mdbl Jan 2021 #121
She isn't going to resign. This will be her last term, and she has served the country and still_one Jan 2021 #126
This isn't about whether she has served well un the past. Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #131
Yes she is. Her votes where it counts now are on the right side. She will also vote to still_one Jan 2021 #135
I wasn't as to Biden or Pelosi. Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #137
I wasn't referring to your assessment still_one Jan 2021 #138
My assessment as to those two is kind of the only one that matters Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #141
She could retire in dignity now before it's too late mdbl Jan 2021 #144
She's been acting weird for some time Ritabert Jan 2021 #20
Precisely. Karma13612 Jan 2021 #24
Some very questionable stock trades, unfortunately, also relayerbob Jan 2021 #84
She must be gently replaced in the Senate nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2021 #23
Agree! Lokee11 Jan 2021 #82
Diane-I hardly know you. But I know senility. Sad. 58Sunliner Jan 2021 #25
An intervention Mme. Defarge Jan 2021 #26
I pray for the cure for Sen Feinstein's being misguided. marble falls Jan 2021 #28
sad to see stillcool Jan 2021 #29
Just wonder if she has any family members that could help with this? bluestarone Jan 2021 #30
Dafuq? sakabatou Jan 2021 #33
...... sarcasmo Jan 2021 #34
when is she retiring? samsingh Jan 2021 #35
She is speaking from a logical argument point of view. Unfortunately, she has missed the point still_one Jan 2021 #36
Its time... NHvet Jan 2021 #37
I think that's a bit agest... electric_blue68 Jan 2021 #79
I'm a boomer too.. NHvet Jan 2021 #146
Answer: senility or kompromat Ponietz Jan 2021 #38
Something is fishy, been thinking a form of Kompromat for while now Cozmo Jan 2021 #75
Step down cp Jan 2021 #40
Cal has had some great Senators and but pushing 90 is pushing the bar. friend of m and j Jan 2021 #128
Wouldn't that be awesome? shanti Jan 2021 #134
She knows how crucial every Dem vote Roc2020 Jan 2021 #41
what is wrong bdamomma Jan 2021 #43
'right' maybe... myohmy2 Jan 2021 #45
Lordy. Something's happened to her. MontanaMama Jan 2021 #46
I think something is wrong with her at this point ladym55 Jan 2021 #47
Diane Has Already Filed Paperwork to Run in 2024. This is Madness. Indykatie Jan 2021 #52
She won't win Auggie Jan 2021 #59
madness Piasladic Jan 2021 #105
She will be primaried and I think she will lose. Jlz Jan 2021 #115
Every Californian needs to call her office and ask her to step down. unitedwethrive Jan 2021 #54
Barbara Boxer objected to votes in the past to spark discussion, Liberty Belle Jan 2021 #56
For Fuck's Sake! mezame Jan 2021 #57
I'm surprised a place like San Francisco doesn't have someone like AOC to take part in a primary. Crowman2009 Jan 2021 #85
California doesn't have a Democratic primary, do they? moose65 Jan 2021 #120
Well... George II Jan 2021 #122
Is she OK? LudwigPastorius Jan 2021 #58
no nt orleans Jan 2021 #73
I didn't know that. LudwigPastorius Jan 2021 #78
Okay, I mean she's right... Lil Mushakan Jan 2021 #60
It's past time for her to retire ... jb5150 Jan 2021 #61
Agreed! Rebl2 Jan 2021 #63
Can someone please give grandma her juice box and send her off to bed? flibbitygiblets Jan 2021 #64
This is why we need basic mental competency exams. Trump is an even better example. flibbitygiblets Jan 2021 #66
If there were legitimate objections, she'd be right. nt Gore1FL Jan 2021 #70
I think it's the whole "downplayed the importance of an upcoming impeachment trial for... LudwigPastorius Jan 2021 #89
Sigh wryter2000 Jan 2021 #72
is she turning republican barbtries Jan 2021 #76
She's never exactly been Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #100
No, but she's been a Democrat. barbtries Jan 2021 #104
WTF?? volstork Jan 2021 #77
I'd had enough of Feinstein a long time ago. Music Man Jan 2021 #80
A lifetime ago, I supported her relayerbob Jan 2021 #81
Why is it so hard for everyone to understand she's RIGHT? oldsoftie Jan 2021 #86
Stop defending this nonsense. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2021 #92
Sorry, but I wont stop defending the Constitution. Its for everyone even the fools. oldsoftie Jan 2021 #117
Retire, m'am. NOW. sandensea Jan 2021 #87
Have no doubt... appmanga Jan 2021 #88
I remember the time when Feinstein was the anti-Christ to the Repukes packman Jan 2021 #90
She's gotta go wysi Jan 2021 #91
Speaking purely technically, she's right, BUT DFW Jan 2021 #93
Yes Dianne, they do. Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2021 #94
The ability to do it and the proscribed method is right in the Constitution. maxsolomon Jan 2021 #95
Time to retire Dianne IronLionZion Jan 2021 #96
Diane, there are valid objections, then there are baseless, seditious objections. SunSeeker Jan 2021 #97
She is seriously losing it. I think she might have some dementia going on. BigDemVoter Jan 2021 #101
Sit the hell down. choie Jan 2021 #102
Oh Lordee - get my fainitng couch and smelling salts. I can't take it anymore. Peregrine Took Jan 2021 #106
Old age Oscarthegreat Jan 2021 #107
A couple points stopwastingmymoney Jan 2021 #130
This shouldn't be a yes/no calculation Mr. Ected Jan 2021 #108
Jello Biafra called her out 35 years ago. She is not honorable IMHO. Sorry. Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #109
Call her at 202-224-3121 and demand their removal. Champion Jack Jan 2021 #111
She Needs to go!!!! grockri Jan 2021 #114
You do not seem to be aware of some things. First of all it wasn't McConnell she hugged, it still_one Jan 2021 #124
Ugh. I wish she'd retire. marmar Jan 2021 #118
Me too Rebl2 Jan 2021 #129
She said they have a "RIGHT", not an obligation. George II Jan 2021 #123
They did exercise their rights BainsBane Jan 2021 #125
I'm DONE with you, Di. calimary Jan 2021 #127
She has got to go karin_sj Jan 2021 #132
Time to retire Joinfortmill Jan 2021 #133
Recall in California nwliberalkiwi Jan 2021 #136
What's with Feinstein? Nitram Jan 2021 #139
Senility? If so, disastrous. KPN Jan 2021 #142
Really, Feinstein? Based ALL ON LIES.. Cha Jan 2021 #143
Disgusting. Enabling the enablers. lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #145
K & R for visibility Celerity Mar 2021 #147

moonscape

(5,722 posts)
113. It's not about CA, it's sadly about dementia. Having
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 08:43 PM
Jan 2021

cared for my mom, I’m sorry formher and her family. There needs to be an effective intervention. I assume there has already been several ineffective ones.

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
21. I believe "soft" is too charitable a description of what has happened to her.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:43 PM
Jan 2021

She needs to go, as soon as possible.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
83. She has lost her ability to discern which side she's on.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:33 PM
Jan 2021

Once the embodiment of all the liberalism which the right taught itself to hate about Democrats, these days she's merely "marginal" and in many ways, derelict. Dementia is ugly and absolutely incurable. Human dignity in not on the roster of traits respected by nature.

Escurumbele

(4,094 posts)
116. Its not about which side she is on, its about knowing what is right or wrong
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 08:56 PM
Jan 2021

And if she cannot differentiate between the two? We have a problem. A smart republican will use her, and all it takes is one Democrat Senator to vote with repubs for them to have a majority vote.

Nitram

(27,749 posts)
140. No, it's not about knowing which side she's on. It's about which side is on the side of
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 12:51 AM
Jan 2021

the constitution and democracy, and which has committed criminal acts of treason.

Karma13612

(4,981 posts)
22. She hugged Graham at the
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:44 PM
Jan 2021

Conclusion of the Barrett nomination hearing.

She has been a bit “off” for awhile now.

And it’s becoming a problem in my book.

CountAllVotes

(22,215 posts)
48. This woman has been entrenched in my life since 1977
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:28 PM
Jan 2021

I am very tired of her.

Dear Dianne she has always been to be.

She'll be 91 at the end of this next Senate term.

Great news huh?

Karma13612

(4,981 posts)
103. She really needs to retire
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 07:27 PM
Jan 2021

We need a strong Dem in her slot. We need more like Sheldon Whitehouse and Liz Warren.

SergeStorms

(20,591 posts)
74. To me, this is as bad as...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:18 PM
Jan 2021

"there are good people on both sides". She should have been replaced by a new, invigorating Democrat long ago.

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
50. It isn't soft. Her staff has said that she has memory and other problems.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:29 PM
Jan 2021

She really needs to be pressured to resign. She is not helping Democrats, and she may not be mentally capable anymore.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
68. She needs to resign while Newsom is Governor.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:05 PM
Jan 2021

There is a recall petition circulating now and there probably will be a recall election. I like to think Newsom will prevail, but I don't want some republican hate radio talk show host who may have an out side chance of replacing him choosing Diane's replacement.

aggiesal

(10,804 posts)
98. I had the chance to interview Gavin Newsom at the Democratic Party Convention a few years back ...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 07:09 PM
Jan 2021

and I asked him had he considered running for Senator?
He said at the time No, because we had 2 great senators.

I still think he should run for Senator.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
99. I wouldn't mind that someday,
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 07:11 PM
Jan 2021

But I want him to be Governor for two terms here first.

iluvtennis

(21,497 posts)
69. Disagree with DiFi on this one. The GOPers had no right to block the counting of the
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:06 PM
Jan 2021

certified state votes. All 50 states had already certified and trump/GOPers had already filed 60 something lawsuits on election fraud and all of them were found to be without merit.

Native California here who hopes that other Dem candidates come to run against DiFi in 2024.

NRaleighLiberal

(61,857 posts)
3. oh my. this is the ultimate in tone deafness!!!
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:33 PM
Jan 2021

there is no way forward if half the country is allowed to think the election was stolen

Timewas

(2,739 posts)
5. High level?
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:34 PM
Jan 2021

The senate is high level?? about as low a high level as possible. Both houses need to be rearranged somehow to where they are actually representing the people.

Turin_C3PO

(16,385 posts)
42. I think so too.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:10 PM
Jan 2021

If that’s the case, maybe it’s time her family intervene. I’ve always respected Feinstein and her actions this past year just don’t jive with who I know her to be.

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
49. She does!
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:28 PM
Jan 2021

Her staff says she can not remember things she was briefed on shortly before. There have been discussions with family about her problems.

Shame, but she needs to go. I understand she stepped down from the Judiciary. Lindsey will no longer be chairman.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/23/dianne-feinstein-step-down-senate-judiciary-439836

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
51. Sure appears to be the case.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:31 PM
Jan 2021

Having had and have family members showing similiar signs. Believe Dick Durbin has had at least one sit down with Difi after the Lady G scene.

She will leave after this years legislative Session and will go on Medical.

redstatebluegirl

(12,827 posts)
11. Yours may someday too. I hope someone intervenes
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:37 PM
Jan 2021

to convince her to step down. It is hard watching someone so accomplished go downhill. Age alone doesn't necessarily cause this.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
8. She needs to just keep her thoughts to herself.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:35 PM
Jan 2021

I think she's suffering from some degree of mental deterioration.

FirstLight

(15,771 posts)
14. she needs to GO
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:39 PM
Jan 2021

she's too old and obviously losing it... Also, didnt she get nailed for some insider trading too?

She reminds me of Nancy Reagan, maybe she's just stuck in the 80s

Auggie

(33,150 posts)
55. I doubt she'd run for re-election (2024), though apparently she's already filed paperwork ...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:38 PM
Jan 2021

that would mean a Senate run at age 91.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianne_Feinstein

No way.

FirstLight

(15,771 posts)
62. ...that's what's even crazier is that she's filed to do so!
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:48 PM
Jan 2021

I hope someone younger in the party will challenge her if she attempts to pul it off.

Auggie

(33,150 posts)
65. I don't think she'll run
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:00 PM
Jan 2021

First, there are slew of very worthy opponents far more progressive and hungry.

Second, polls are going to find her support waning.

Third, it's no secret Feinstein hates campaigning.

Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Original post)

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
27. Exactly. Some people shoot by the hip without thinking of the consequences. While her comments
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:47 PM
Jan 2021

were definitely out of touch, I have no doubt she will vote to convict when the vote comes up.



TimeToGo

(1,443 posts)
39. I'm ok with that
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:00 PM
Jan 2021

CA has a Dem Gov and I think the seat is fairly safe. THOUGH, nothing is a given, and it def depends on the candidate.

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
17. She is messed up, and does not realize how un helpful her comments are on this. That nearly
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:40 PM
Jan 2021

half the republicans do not believe Joe Biden is a legitimate president, and a direct result of republicans like cruz, hawley, and most of the republicans in the house


mdbl

(8,650 posts)
112. not to mention the fact that the election system integrity has been tested harder than ever before
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 08:42 PM
Jan 2021

and has passed every investigation leaving no question who won the election and doesn't deserve the propaganda that was hoisted upon us over the last two weeks by the right wing wack jobs in the senate and congress. She obviously doesn't have the brain power to grasp that so, yes, should resign.

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
119. She isn't going to resign, and her legislative actions have been always been progressive
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 09:08 PM
Jan 2021
https://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Dianne_Feinstein.htm

She was ahead of the whole country on the Aids crisis in the 80's, women's rights, gun control, etc. etc. etc.
and there is no doubt she will vote to convict when the Senate trial begins, just like she did the first time.

On almost all issues she votes the right way.

This will be her last term as Senator, and she has been a good Senator for the country and California

The point I was making is that I believe she was arguing from a procedural perspective not taking into consideration that what the republicans were trying to do was actually overturn the election.

In 2016 there were some Democrats in the House who wanted to make a point during the certification of the election, but Biden put an end to that very quickly, especially since they couldn't find one Senator to sign on to it.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/01/democrats-disrupt-trumps-electoral-college-certification.html

The reason why this was different in 2020, is because there were republicans in BOTH the house and the senate who were seriously trying to overturn the election based on lies and falsehoods, and the courts confirmed that there was no merit to that.





mdbl

(8,650 posts)
121. Well if she hasn't relized by now they were trying to overturn the election,
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 09:24 PM
Jan 2021

she should resign.

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
126. She isn't going to resign. This will be her last term, and she has served the country and
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 09:34 PM
Jan 2021

California quite well

Ms. Toad

(38,638 posts)
131. This isn't about whether she has served well un the past.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:18 PM
Jan 2021

It is about whether she is capable of serving well now, or even of serving at all.

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
135. Yes she is. Her votes where it counts now are on the right side. She will also vote to
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:07 PM
Jan 2021

convict when the trial comes to the Senate. She voted against the Barret and Kavanaugh nomination, and her current voting record is consistently progressive

Interesting some were saying the same thing about Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi, and they were proven wrong on that assessment also





Ms. Toad

(38,638 posts)
137. I wasn't as to Biden or Pelosi.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:42 PM
Jan 2021

I am far too intimately familiar with dementia to ignore what I see.

Ms. Toad

(38,638 posts)
141. My assessment as to those two is kind of the only one that matters
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 01:08 AM
Jan 2021

when gauging whether my assessment in this case might be accurate.

mdbl

(8,650 posts)
144. She could retire in dignity now before it's too late
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 09:40 AM
Jan 2021

this is what I would advise her to do if I were close to her, just out of respect.

Ritabert

(2,446 posts)
20. She's been acting weird for some time
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:42 PM
Jan 2021

Witness her wish washy questioning of witnesses, the hugging of Lindsey Graham and not wearing a mask around the Capitol.

Karma13612

(4,981 posts)
24. Precisely.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:46 PM
Jan 2021

She has been behaving “badly” for some time now.

It is costing us creds. And if we are not careful, it could cost us a vote somewhere. She could actually vote incorrectly - literally by accident, and it could be a big deal.

bluestarone

(22,178 posts)
30. Just wonder if she has any family members that could help with this?
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:49 PM
Jan 2021

She has been doing ok until the last SC hearing i think. Something is wrong with her having this kind of behavior.

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
36. She is speaking from a logical argument point of view. Unfortunately, she has missed the point
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:58 PM
Jan 2021

of what was actually being done, and that was the illegal overturning of the election results by lies and deceit. That she seems to miss that is not good


NHvet

(298 posts)
37. Its time...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:58 PM
Jan 2021

for her to retire. We need to put an age limit on those we want to represent us. 87 is too old to be engaged in politics of today. She should be home enjoying her family and enjoying golden years.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
79. I think that's a bit agest...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:28 PM
Jan 2021
IF you're you're still sharp at 87 then why stop.

It should be be more of a mental compentency thing - though maybe not a hard and fast rule.

(I'm 67)

NHvet

(298 posts)
146. I'm a boomer too..
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 01:05 PM
Jan 2021

But she isn't as sharp as she once was, and when she starts spouting the Kumbaya garbage and wants to let her "friends" on the other side slide for their part in the insurrection of our country, I think is abridge too far and she needs to go and let others who are willing to hold those accountable do the heavy lifting that is going to be required to move ahead from the abyss that the other side was pushing us towards. Our generation need to trust those younger than us to continue the work that must be done.

Ponietz

(4,330 posts)
38. Answer: senility or kompromat
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:59 PM
Jan 2021

Question: What is it that causes such spectacular own-goals at such crucial moments?

friend of m and j

(220 posts)
128. Cal has had some great Senators and but pushing 90 is pushing the bar.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 09:48 PM
Jan 2021

I would love to see Katie Porter in the Senate.

shanti

(21,799 posts)
134. Wouldn't that be awesome?
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:03 PM
Jan 2021

With Xavier Beccera, they would represent Californians much better.

Roc2020

(1,787 posts)
41. She knows how crucial every Dem vote
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:07 PM
Jan 2021

in the Senate is and flexing. She may be senile but I'm not buying the dementia angle.

myohmy2

(3,721 posts)
45. 'right' maybe...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:17 PM
Jan 2021

...but what does that say about their judgement, character and motivation?

"...downplayed the importance of an upcoming impeachment trial for President Trump, diverging from her Democratic colleagues."

...why?

...

MontanaMama

(24,722 posts)
46. Lordy. Something's happened to her.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:21 PM
Jan 2021

Would love to see her step down and have Governor Newsom appoint a replacement for her that we can count on.

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
47. I think something is wrong with her at this point
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:24 PM
Jan 2021

It is really sad to see. I have read elsewhere that she seems out of it at times.

Indykatie

(3,868 posts)
52. Diane Has Already Filed Paperwork to Run in 2024. This is Madness.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:32 PM
Jan 2021

IF she moves forward Dems need to primary her with an candidate with broad appeal in CA. Given the chatter about her diminishing mental state hopefully her family and close advisers will tell her it's time to retire.

Auggie

(33,150 posts)
59. She won't win
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:42 PM
Jan 2021

Xavier Becerra, Barbara Lee, Karen Bass, London Breed all could beat her.

Jlz

(23 posts)
115. She will be primaried and I think she will lose.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 08:51 PM
Jan 2021

It's sad when people don't recognize the time has come to leave. Her policy positions were never my preference, especially after she married that financier with the bad toupee and turned ever more rightward, but now she's clearly gaga. I've been around enough elderly people with dementia to recognize that vacant look. According to reports, her short term memory is going/gone and she's exhibiting lapses in judgment. And clearly her behavior of late is inappropriate. Unfortunately, Congress, the Federal Courts, and even the Executive Branch, have a history of tolerating senility. Viz. Strom Thurmond, Thurgood Marshall, Ronald Reagan. I think she will be "primaried" in 2024 by a Progressive Democrat and will lose. There are many Representatives who would make good candidates. Karen Bass and Katie Porter come to mind.

unitedwethrive

(2,016 posts)
54. Every Californian needs to call her office and ask her to step down.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:37 PM
Jan 2021

It can be done in a non-confrontational way, as I think everyone agrees she is losing a few beats as she gets older, which happens to almost everyone. But the more pressure she gets, the better.

Liberty Belle

(9,707 posts)
56. Barbara Boxer objected to votes in the past to spark discussion,
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:41 PM
Jan 2021

and she was CA's Senator along with Feinstein. That may be what she is thinking of.

But Boxer only initiated a Senate discussion on voter suppression tactics; ultimately she did vote to uphold the election results and in that case, the losing Democratic candidate,John Kerry, had already conceded. As I recall, she again objected when the Supreme Court halted a vote count in Florida and gave an election to Bush over Gore by one vote. But she still certified the votes.

Still, it could be a dangerous precedent to oust any Senator who objects to a vote. Boxer serves as an example of a legitimiate use of that power.

We would be better off to sanction or oust those who incited violence or actively aided the insurrectionists, such as those who used violent rhetoric beforehand, gave tours to known members of extremist groups, etc.

mezame

(295 posts)
57. For Fuck's Sake!
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:41 PM
Jan 2021

GAWD I am sooo goddamn tired of her - and I live in CA. I sent her an email (via her website) complaining I had just regretted voting for her after her disgraceful behavior hugging Lindsey Graham (!!!!) at the Barrett confirmation hearing. Hey, I certainly wasn't going to vote for the R, gimme some credit. But seriously, I wish she would just shrivel up and die already.

Crowman2009

(3,524 posts)
85. I'm surprised a place like San Francisco doesn't have someone like AOC to take part in a primary.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:36 PM
Jan 2021

moose65

(3,454 posts)
120. California doesn't have a Democratic primary, do they?
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 09:22 PM
Jan 2021

Don’t they do a “top two” primary where all candidates of all parties are on the ballot and the top two advance to the general? That could be a disaster if a lot of Democrats try to oust Feinstein. They could split all the Dem votes and let two Republicans sneak in.

George II

(67,782 posts)
122. Well...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 09:25 PM
Jan 2021

1. She's a Senator, represents the entire state, not just San Francisco.

2. A DSA, Justice Democrat, Our Revolution candidate from SF ran against Nancy Pelosi in November, he was crushed 78-22.

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
78. I didn't know that.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:26 PM
Jan 2021

She needs friends and family to intervene and somehow convince her to retire from public service.

Lil Mushakan

(19 posts)
60. Okay, I mean she's right...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:45 PM
Jan 2021

They fully have the right to object. But, we have the right to criticize and demand that our representatives are held accountable for all actions resulting in harm to the country and attacks there-in.

So, sure. Let them object, but don't complain or pretend that US citizens can't voice their own opinions.

Senator Feinstein is effectively trying to silence discourse by pointing out something no one is arguing against but have a lot to comment about. Once again, no republicans are coming out and complaining about canceling discourse to a historic and unprecedented attack on our capitol, but they think private companies removing themselves from diseased wells is #cancelculture. Its bad if it benefits you, but good if it benefits me. 100% in line with the GOP's consistent party platform.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
66. This is why we need basic mental competency exams. Trump is an even better example.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:01 PM
Jan 2021

We can't rely on someone who's cheese is slipping of their proverbial cracker to kindly realize that fact and then remove themselves from office. And I think it's been proven that we can't rely on those around them either. Too much money/power in play. Ronald Ray-gun had Alzheimers, which was hidden from the very people whose lives depended on him at the time.

We can't run a goddamn country with so many elderly people in office and no way of removing them if they lose their grip.

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
89. I think it's the whole "downplayed the importance of an upcoming impeachment trial for...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:47 PM
Jan 2021

for Trump" that is making everyone question her judgement.

wryter2000

(47,940 posts)
72. Sigh
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:13 PM
Jan 2021

Oh, Difi. She was always centrist, but not like this. I hope she'll retire.

I would love to see Adam Schiff in the Senate.

barbtries

(31,308 posts)
104. No, but she's been a Democrat.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 07:30 PM
Jan 2021

at least as far as i know. been reading this thread and think it's time she stepped down.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
86. Why is it so hard for everyone to understand she's RIGHT?
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:37 PM
Jan 2021

They had every right under the law to do what they did. Doesnt make it SMART, but it was legal. Its also legal to hit yourself in the head with a hammer. But also, not very smart

ForgoTheConsequence

(5,186 posts)
92. Stop defending this nonsense.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:52 PM
Jan 2021

She could and should have just said it was irresponsible and inspired a deadly insurrection. Also, her apathy toward impeaching Trump is disgusting.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
117. Sorry, but I wont stop defending the Constitution. Its for everyone even the fools.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 09:01 PM
Jan 2021

Like I said, they were stupid to do it. But it was their right. There were objections to '16, '04 & 2000. All legal. TRUMP inspired the invasion of the Capital. TRUMP and his idiotic rantings. Those Reps & Senators had made their plans to object known long before the 6th. TRUMP & the online radicals pushed the aggressors to act.
If we sit here and say that they SHOULDNT have been allowed to lodge their objections, then we're giving away OUR rights to do it in a future election. She COULD have criticized their speeches & their pushing of conspiracies

sandensea

(23,343 posts)
87. Retire, m'am. NOW.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:37 PM
Jan 2021

Her '06 re-election was the only time I ever opted for the Green Party candidate

I did it because of her coziness with Bush and the Iraq War. And I see now that it was no over-reaction.

appmanga

(1,493 posts)
88. Have no doubt...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:39 PM
Jan 2021

...she's finished. Her opponent will get Jamie Harrison type money. She should gracefully retire and let Katie Porter get started on giving Cali the representation they deserve.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
90. I remember the time when Feinstein was the anti-Christ to the Repukes
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:48 PM
Jan 2021

She was hated in much the same way the asswipes now speak about Nancy. Sad to see this.

DFW

(60,186 posts)
93. Speaking purely technically, she's right, BUT
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:53 PM
Jan 2021

The right to object should only be used if there is a legitimate reason to object. Bush v. Gore would have been a perfect reason. But here? Their sole objection is that heir guy lost, and overwhelmingly. That is NOT a legitimate reason for objecting.

So, although the right exists, so does abuse of that right, and this was a clear and plain abuse of a right that should be used only on the rarest of occasions. This was not one of them.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(16,211 posts)
94. Yes Dianne, they do.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:55 PM
Jan 2021

When the situation calls for it. Based on how they raised the issue this time, EVERY election can now be contested simply by saying "fraud" without any proof or evidence. So defending their right to question the election wasn't really needed from you at this time.

maxsolomon

(38,727 posts)
95. The ability to do it and the proscribed method is right in the Constitution.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:59 PM
Jan 2021

So DiFi's not wrong - about that at least.

The GOP points out that Dems did it (albeit at a much smaller scale) in 2000, 2004, and 2016. Only once was an objection supported by a Senator, in 2004.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opinion/democrat-republican-electoral-votes.html

I'm sorry, but they have the right to do what they did. It is a difference in degree, not in kind.

IronLionZion

(51,268 posts)
96. Time to retire Dianne
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 07:01 PM
Jan 2021

California deserves more liberal representation. Pass the torch to Katie Porter

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
97. Diane, there are valid objections, then there are baseless, seditious objections.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 07:03 PM
Jan 2021

If you can't tell the difference, please resign.

BigDemVoter

(4,700 posts)
101. She is seriously losing it. I think she might have some dementia going on.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 07:17 PM
Jan 2021

Just look at that vomit-inducing moment with Lindsey Graham at the end of the Barrett hearings. Just the sight of that photo makes me queasy. . . .

Peregrine Took

(7,583 posts)
106. Oh Lordee - get my fainitng couch and smelling salts. I can't take it anymore.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 07:48 PM
Jan 2021

4 years of trump and now this?? Can anyone talk this woman into stepping aside she's embarrassing herself.

 

Oscarthegreat

(121 posts)
107. Old age
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 07:56 PM
Jan 2021

I from the Bay area and we are very aware out here, having heard from several of former staff who resigned over the last few years due to her behavior that she seems to be suffering from symptoms that indicate dementia.

She was never a progressive, but has become consistently more conservative over the years. My guess is that if it weren't political suicide here in California, she would have switched parties years ago. She is very much a moderate Republican at her core, and a DINO. I doubt she would vote to convict Trump, and I don't think Democrats can count on her vote io several issues. The main concern here in California is that if Newsom is somehow not reelected, and she being 87, a GOP governor would appoint a Republican to replace her if she retires prematurely, and Democrats might then lose their slim Senate majority.

stopwastingmymoney

(2,347 posts)
130. A couple points
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:00 PM
Jan 2021

One, she voted to convict last time

Two, we will not be having a GOP Governor in California in her lifetime

Mr. Ected

(9,714 posts)
108. This shouldn't be a yes/no calculation
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 08:01 PM
Jan 2021

Yes, there are occasions when one should be allowed to assert their right to object. This should always be available to the Senators, particularly if merited. And therein lies the rub. This isn't a black and white issue. There is a sliding scale of greys in between. In this case, the dialogue she refers to exceeded the scope of "objection" and rose instead to a level of incendiary insurrectionist provocation. Di needs to take into account the fiendish nature of this objection and its effect on the people. This behavior should never be encouraged, period, full stop.

Champion Jack

(5,378 posts)
111. Call her at 202-224-3121 and demand their removal.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 08:32 PM
Jan 2021

Senator Feinstein thinks that Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley who spurred the insurrection should be allowed to remain in Congress.
She doesn’t move on anything until she hears from 4000 voters.

grockri

(73 posts)
114. She Needs to go!!!!
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 08:45 PM
Jan 2021

She stood up for Moscow Mitch and hugged him after rushing the Amy Conny through. Now this primary her ass. She is nuts too.

 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
124. You do not seem to be aware of some things. First of all it wasn't McConnell she hugged, it
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 09:32 PM
Jan 2021

was Graham. In addition, she also voted against the coney barrett nomination, which is what really matters. As an aside, she also vote against the Kavanaugh nomination.

Her voting record has been over 95% on progressive issues.

While most of us agree the hug was a stupid thing to do, along with the comment that she thought the hearing was well run, it was a misguided view on her part.

No one is going to primary Senator Feinstein. This will be her last term

Her record of progressive legislation has been very good, and stands on its own

https://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Dianne_Feinstein.htm

BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
125. They did exercise their rights
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 09:33 PM
Jan 2021

and they faced the natural consequences.

How she doesn't understand their lies led to insurrection is beyond me. She's not thinking clearly.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
127. I'm DONE with you, Di.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 09:42 PM
Jan 2021

You just reached my TOO-MUCH level. That and your smoochy-smoochy with Lindsey Graham - ENOUGH. Time for you to RETIRE.

DONE with you, woman.

karin_sj

(1,370 posts)
132. She has got to go
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:25 PM
Jan 2021

I voted for her for senator many times, but I'm done. She is an idiot and I think she's probably getting senile. It is wayyyy past time for her to retire.

nwliberalkiwi

(423 posts)
136. Recall in California
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:16 PM
Jan 2021

If Newsom is recalled and a Republican becomes Govenor then if Fienstein is gone the Repubs will appoint Repub Senator thus gaining control of the Senate back for the Republicans. That's the reason behind the recall.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
143. Really, Feinstein? Based ALL ON LIES..
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 03:06 AM
Jan 2021

You're okay with Gaslighting & LIES in the "Highest form of Democracy" & the Deadly Insurrection that trump, Hawley, cruz & other magats Incited?

I Don't Think SO!!!!

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