Dianne Feinstein defends GOP senators' right to object to election results
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
WASHINGTON Sen. Dianne Feinstein defended Republican senators who objected to Electoral College results and downplayed the importance of an upcoming impeachment trial for President Trump, diverging from her Democratic colleagues.
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The California Democrat was asked Tuesday about Republicans who objected to the Electoral College results that Congress certified early Jan. 7, after a pro-Trump insurrection that resulted in five deaths had been cleared from the Capitol. Republican Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas and Josh Hawley of Missouri led the objections to President-elect Joe Bidens victory even after members of Congress were forced to hide from the rioters, and have faced calls for censure or punishment as a result.
Feinstein, however, defended their right to object, calling Senate debate the highest-level dialogue in democracy.
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Other Senate Democrats have called for Cruz and Hawley to be punished. Delaware Sen. Chris Coons, a moderate and ally of Biden, urged them to resign. Others have said that at a minimum they should leave the powerful Judiciary Committee, of which Feinstein is also a member. She surrendered her ranking Democratic position on the panel in November.
Read more: https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Dianne-Feinstein-defends-GOP-senators-right-to-15882248.php
Bleacher Creature
(11,504 posts)moonscape
(5,722 posts)cared for my mom, Im sorry formher and her family. There needs to be an effective intervention. I assume there has already been several ineffective ones.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)doesn't sound like her at all.
Paladin
(32,354 posts)She needs to go, as soon as possible.
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)Once the embodiment of all the liberalism which the right taught itself to hate about Democrats, these days she's merely "marginal" and in many ways, derelict. Dementia is ugly and absolutely incurable. Human dignity in not on the roster of traits respected by nature.
Paladin
(32,354 posts)Escurumbele
(4,094 posts)And if she cannot differentiate between the two? We have a problem. A smart republican will use her, and all it takes is one Democrat Senator to vote with repubs for them to have a majority vote.
Nitram
(27,749 posts)the constitution and democracy, and which has committed criminal acts of treason.
Karma13612
(4,981 posts)Conclusion of the Barrett nomination hearing.
She has been a bit off for awhile now.
And its becoming a problem in my book.
CountAllVotes
(22,215 posts)I am very tired of her.
Dear Dianne she has always been to be.
She'll be 91 at the end of this next Senate term.
Great news huh?
Karma13612
(4,981 posts)We need a strong Dem in her slot. We need more like Sheldon Whitehouse and Liz Warren.
aggiesal
(10,804 posts)SergeStorms
(20,591 posts)"there are good people on both sides". She should have been replaced by a new, invigorating Democrat long ago.
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)She really needs to be pressured to resign. She is not helping Democrats, and she may not be mentally capable anymore.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)There is a recall petition circulating now and there probably will be a recall election. I like to think Newsom will prevail, but I don't want some republican hate radio talk show host who may have an out side chance of replacing him choosing Diane's replacement.
aggiesal
(10,804 posts)and I asked him had he considered running for Senator?
He said at the time No, because we had 2 great senators.
I still think he should run for Senator.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)But I want him to be Governor for two terms here first.
iluvtennis
(21,497 posts)iluvtennis
(21,497 posts)certified state votes. All 50 states had already certified and trump/GOPers had already filed 60 something lawsuits on election fraud and all of them were found to be without merit.
Native California here who hopes that other Dem candidates come to run against DiFi in 2024.
NRaleighLiberal
(61,857 posts)there is no way forward if half the country is allowed to think the election was stolen
Auggie
(33,150 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)Timewas
(2,739 posts)The senate is high level?? about as low a high level as possible. Both houses need to be rearranged somehow to where they are actually representing the people.
redstatebluegirl
(12,827 posts)This does not sound like her.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)If thats the case, maybe its time her family intervene. Ive always respected Feinstein and her actions this past year just dont jive with who I know her to be.
True Blue American
(18,579 posts)Her staff says she can not remember things she was briefed on shortly before. There have been discussions with family about her problems.
Shame, but she needs to go. I understand she stepped down from the Judiciary. Lindsey will no longer be chairman.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/23/dianne-feinstein-step-down-senate-judiciary-439836
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Having had and have family members showing similiar signs. Believe Dick Durbin has had at least one sit down with Difi after the Lady G scene.
She will leave after this years legislative Session and will go on Medical.
bigtime
(738 posts)N/T
redstatebluegirl
(12,827 posts)to convince her to step down. It is hard watching someone so accomplished go downhill. Age alone doesn't necessarily cause this.
Canoe52
(2,963 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)I think she's suffering from some degree of mental deterioration.
LiberalArkie
(19,806 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Raven123
(7,797 posts)DownriverDem
(7,014 posts)She must be supported by the mostly repub part of CA. It does exist.
FirstLight
(15,771 posts)she's too old and obviously losing it... Also, didnt she get nailed for some insider trading too?
She reminds me of Nancy Reagan, maybe she's just stuck in the 80s
Auggie
(33,150 posts)that would mean a Senate run at age 91.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianne_Feinstein
No way.
FirstLight
(15,771 posts)I hope someone younger in the party will challenge her if she attempts to pul it off.
Auggie
(33,150 posts)First, there are slew of very worthy opponents far more progressive and hungry.
Second, polls are going to find her support waning.
Third, it's no secret Feinstein hates campaigning.
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PA_jen
(1,114 posts)TimeToGo
(1,443 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)were definitely out of touch, I have no doubt she will vote to convict when the vote comes up.
Maggiemayhem
(890 posts)PA_jen
(1,114 posts)TimeToGo
(1,443 posts)CA has a Dem Gov and I think the seat is fairly safe. THOUGH, nothing is a given, and it def depends on the candidate.
still_one
(98,883 posts)half the republicans do not believe Joe Biden is a legitimate president, and a direct result of republicans like cruz, hawley, and most of the republicans in the house
mdbl
(8,650 posts)and has passed every investigation leaving no question who won the election and doesn't deserve the propaganda that was hoisted upon us over the last two weeks by the right wing wack jobs in the senate and congress. She obviously doesn't have the brain power to grasp that so, yes, should resign.
still_one
(98,883 posts)She was ahead of the whole country on the Aids crisis in the 80's, women's rights, gun control, etc. etc. etc.
and there is no doubt she will vote to convict when the Senate trial begins, just like she did the first time.
On almost all issues she votes the right way.
This will be her last term as Senator, and she has been a good Senator for the country and California
The point I was making is that I believe she was arguing from a procedural perspective not taking into consideration that what the republicans were trying to do was actually overturn the election.
In 2016 there were some Democrats in the House who wanted to make a point during the certification of the election, but Biden put an end to that very quickly, especially since they couldn't find one Senator to sign on to it.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/01/democrats-disrupt-trumps-electoral-college-certification.html
The reason why this was different in 2020, is because there were republicans in BOTH the house and the senate who were seriously trying to overturn the election based on lies and falsehoods, and the courts confirmed that there was no merit to that.
mdbl
(8,650 posts)she should resign.
still_one
(98,883 posts)California quite well
Ms. Toad
(38,638 posts)It is about whether she is capable of serving well now, or even of serving at all.
still_one
(98,883 posts)convict when the trial comes to the Senate. She voted against the Barret and Kavanaugh nomination, and her current voting record is consistently progressive
Interesting some were saying the same thing about Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi, and they were proven wrong on that assessment also
Ms. Toad
(38,638 posts)I am far too intimately familiar with dementia to ignore what I see.
still_one
(98,883 posts)Ms. Toad
(38,638 posts)when gauging whether my assessment in this case might be accurate.
mdbl
(8,650 posts)this is what I would advise her to do if I were close to her, just out of respect.
Ritabert
(2,446 posts)Witness her wish washy questioning of witnesses, the hugging of Lindsey Graham and not wearing a mask around the Capitol.
Karma13612
(4,981 posts)She has been behaving badly for some time now.
It is costing us creds. And if we are not careful, it could cost us a vote somewhere. She could actually vote incorrectly - literally by accident, and it could be a big deal.
relayerbob
(7,428 posts)Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)Lokee11
(407 posts)She needs to be replaced as respectfully as possible, but soon.
FDT!
58Sunliner
(6,330 posts)Mme. Defarge
(9,020 posts)is called for. Now.
marble falls
(71,926 posts)stillcool
(34,407 posts)either she is revealing who she is, or she's forgotten.
bluestarone
(22,178 posts)She has been doing ok until the last SC hearing i think. Something is wrong with her having this kind of behavior.
sakabatou
(46,148 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)samsingh
(18,426 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)of what was actually being done, and that was the illegal overturning of the election results by lies and deceit. That she seems to miss that is not good
NHvet
(298 posts)for her to retire. We need to put an age limit on those we want to represent us. 87 is too old to be engaged in politics of today. She should be home enjoying her family and enjoying golden years.
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)It should be be more of a mental compentency thing - though maybe not a hard and fast rule.
(I'm 67)
NHvet
(298 posts)But she isn't as sharp as she once was, and when she starts spouting the Kumbaya garbage and wants to let her "friends" on the other side slide for their part in the insurrection of our country, I think is abridge too far and she needs to go and let others who are willing to hold those accountable do the heavy lifting that is going to be required to move ahead from the abyss that the other side was pushing us towards. Our generation need to trust those younger than us to continue the work that must be done.
Ponietz
(4,330 posts)Question: What is it that causes such spectacular own-goals at such crucial moments?
Cozmo
(1,402 posts)cp
(8,295 posts)California can do better, MUCH better. Senator Katie Porter?
friend of m and j
(220 posts)I would love to see Katie Porter in the Senate.
shanti
(21,799 posts)With Xavier Beccera, they would represent Californians much better.
Roc2020
(1,787 posts)in the Senate is and flexing. She may be senile but I'm not buying the dementia angle.
bdamomma
(69,532 posts)with her?????
myohmy2
(3,721 posts)...but what does that say about their judgement, character and motivation?
"...downplayed the importance of an upcoming impeachment trial for President Trump, diverging from her Democratic colleagues."
...why?
...
MontanaMama
(24,722 posts)Would love to see her step down and have Governor Newsom appoint a replacement for her that we can count on.
ladym55
(2,577 posts)It is really sad to see. I have read elsewhere that she seems out of it at times.
Indykatie
(3,868 posts)IF she moves forward Dems need to primary her with an candidate with broad appeal in CA. Given the chatter about her diminishing mental state hopefully her family and close advisers will tell her it's time to retire.
Auggie
(33,150 posts)Xavier Becerra, Barbara Lee, Karen Bass, London Breed all could beat her.
Piasladic
(1,171 posts)scared she might win
Jlz
(23 posts)It's sad when people don't recognize the time has come to leave. Her policy positions were never my preference, especially after she married that financier with the bad toupee and turned ever more rightward, but now she's clearly gaga. I've been around enough elderly people with dementia to recognize that vacant look. According to reports, her short term memory is going/gone and she's exhibiting lapses in judgment. And clearly her behavior of late is inappropriate. Unfortunately, Congress, the Federal Courts, and even the Executive Branch, have a history of tolerating senility. Viz. Strom Thurmond, Thurgood Marshall, Ronald Reagan. I think she will be "primaried" in 2024 by a Progressive Democrat and will lose. There are many Representatives who would make good candidates. Karen Bass and Katie Porter come to mind.
unitedwethrive
(2,016 posts)It can be done in a non-confrontational way, as I think everyone agrees she is losing a few beats as she gets older, which happens to almost everyone. But the more pressure she gets, the better.
Liberty Belle
(9,707 posts)and she was CA's Senator along with Feinstein. That may be what she is thinking of.
But Boxer only initiated a Senate discussion on voter suppression tactics; ultimately she did vote to uphold the election results and in that case, the losing Democratic candidate,John Kerry, had already conceded. As I recall, she again objected when the Supreme Court halted a vote count in Florida and gave an election to Bush over Gore by one vote. But she still certified the votes.
Still, it could be a dangerous precedent to oust any Senator who objects to a vote. Boxer serves as an example of a legitimiate use of that power.
We would be better off to sanction or oust those who incited violence or actively aided the insurrectionists, such as those who used violent rhetoric beforehand, gave tours to known members of extremist groups, etc.
mezame
(295 posts)GAWD I am sooo goddamn tired of her - and I live in CA. I sent her an email (via her website) complaining I had just regretted voting for her after her disgraceful behavior hugging Lindsey Graham (!!!!) at the Barrett confirmation hearing. Hey, I certainly wasn't going to vote for the R, gimme some credit. But seriously, I wish she would just shrivel up and die already.
Crowman2009
(3,524 posts)moose65
(3,454 posts)Dont they do a top two primary where all candidates of all parties are on the ballot and the top two advance to the general? That could be a disaster if a lot of Democrats try to oust Feinstein. They could split all the Dem votes and let two Republicans sneak in.
George II
(67,782 posts)1. She's a Senator, represents the entire state, not just San Francisco.
2. A DSA, Justice Democrat, Our Revolution candidate from SF ran against Nancy Pelosi in November, he was crushed 78-22.
LudwigPastorius
(14,725 posts)...like mentally, I mean?
orleans
(36,918 posts)LudwigPastorius
(14,725 posts)She needs friends and family to intervene and somehow convince her to retire from public service.
Lil Mushakan
(19 posts)They fully have the right to object. But, we have the right to criticize and demand that our representatives are held accountable for all actions resulting in harm to the country and attacks there-in.
So, sure. Let them object, but don't complain or pretend that US citizens can't voice their own opinions.
Senator Feinstein is effectively trying to silence discourse by pointing out something no one is arguing against but have a lot to comment about. Once again, no republicans are coming out and complaining about canceling discourse to a historic and unprecedented attack on our capitol, but they think private companies removing themselves from diseased wells is #cancelculture. Its bad if it benefits you, but good if it benefits me. 100% in line with the GOP's consistent party platform.
jb5150
(1,362 posts)way past time.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)What. The. Actual. Fuck.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)We can't rely on someone who's cheese is slipping of their proverbial cracker to kindly realize that fact and then remove themselves from office. And I think it's been proven that we can't rely on those around them either. Too much money/power in play. Ronald Ray-gun had Alzheimers, which was hidden from the very people whose lives depended on him at the time.
We can't run a goddamn country with so many elderly people in office and no way of removing them if they lose their grip.
Gore1FL
(22,951 posts)LudwigPastorius
(14,725 posts)for Trump" that is making everyone question her judgement.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)Oh, Difi. She was always centrist, but not like this. I hope she'll retire.
I would love to see Adam Schiff in the Senate.
barbtries
(31,308 posts)in her old age? CA needs someone new.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)a far left Democrat.
barbtries
(31,308 posts)at least as far as i know. been reading this thread and think it's time she stepped down.
volstork
(5,837 posts)Has she lost it?
Music Man
(1,664 posts)I'm looking forward to her replacement.
relayerbob
(7,428 posts)Time moves on. She needs to also
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)They had every right under the law to do what they did. Doesnt make it SMART, but it was legal. Its also legal to hit yourself in the head with a hammer. But also, not very smart
ForgoTheConsequence
(5,186 posts)She could and should have just said it was irresponsible and inspired a deadly insurrection. Also, her apathy toward impeaching Trump is disgusting.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Like I said, they were stupid to do it. But it was their right. There were objections to '16, '04 & 2000. All legal. TRUMP inspired the invasion of the Capital. TRUMP and his idiotic rantings. Those Reps & Senators had made their plans to object known long before the 6th. TRUMP & the online radicals pushed the aggressors to act.
If we sit here and say that they SHOULDNT have been allowed to lodge their objections, then we're giving away OUR rights to do it in a future election. She COULD have criticized their speeches & their pushing of conspiracies
sandensea
(23,343 posts)Her '06 re-election was the only time I ever opted for the Green Party candidate
I did it because of her coziness with Bush and the Iraq War. And I see now that it was no over-reaction.
appmanga
(1,493 posts)...she's finished. Her opponent will get Jamie Harrison type money. She should gracefully retire and let Katie Porter get started on giving Cali the representation they deserve.
packman
(16,296 posts)She was hated in much the same way the asswipes now speak about Nancy. Sad to see this.
wysi
(1,514 posts)It's well past time for her to retire.
DFW
(60,186 posts)The right to object should only be used if there is a legitimate reason to object. Bush v. Gore would have been a perfect reason. But here? Their sole objection is that heir guy lost, and overwhelmingly. That is NOT a legitimate reason for objecting.
So, although the right exists, so does abuse of that right, and this was a clear and plain abuse of a right that should be used only on the rarest of occasions. This was not one of them.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(16,211 posts)When the situation calls for it. Based on how they raised the issue this time, EVERY election can now be contested simply by saying "fraud" without any proof or evidence. So defending their right to question the election wasn't really needed from you at this time.
maxsolomon
(38,727 posts)So DiFi's not wrong - about that at least.
The GOP points out that Dems did it (albeit at a much smaller scale) in 2000, 2004, and 2016. Only once was an objection supported by a Senator, in 2004.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opinion/democrat-republican-electoral-votes.html
I'm sorry, but they have the right to do what they did. It is a difference in degree, not in kind.
IronLionZion
(51,268 posts)California deserves more liberal representation. Pass the torch to Katie Porter
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)If you can't tell the difference, please resign.
BigDemVoter
(4,700 posts)Just look at that vomit-inducing moment with Lindsey Graham at the end of the Barrett hearings. Just the sight of that photo makes me queasy. . . .
choie
(6,906 posts)n/t
Peregrine Took
(7,583 posts)4 years of trump and now this?? Can anyone talk this woman into stepping aside she's embarrassing herself.
Oscarthegreat
(121 posts)I from the Bay area and we are very aware out here, having heard from several of former staff who resigned over the last few years due to her behavior that she seems to be suffering from symptoms that indicate dementia.
She was never a progressive, but has become consistently more conservative over the years. My guess is that if it weren't political suicide here in California, she would have switched parties years ago. She is very much a moderate Republican at her core, and a DINO. I doubt she would vote to convict Trump, and I don't think Democrats can count on her vote io several issues. The main concern here in California is that if Newsom is somehow not reelected, and she being 87, a GOP governor would appoint a Republican to replace her if she retires prematurely, and Democrats might then lose their slim Senate majority.
stopwastingmymoney
(2,347 posts)One, she voted to convict last time
Two, we will not be having a GOP Governor in California in her lifetime
Mr. Ected
(9,714 posts)Yes, there are occasions when one should be allowed to assert their right to object. This should always be available to the Senators, particularly if merited. And therein lies the rub. This isn't a black and white issue. There is a sliding scale of greys in between. In this case, the dialogue she refers to exceeded the scope of "objection" and rose instead to a level of incendiary insurrectionist provocation. Di needs to take into account the fiendish nature of this objection and its effect on the people. This behavior should never be encouraged, period, full stop.
Evolve Dammit
(21,777 posts)Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)Senator Feinstein thinks that Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley who spurred the insurrection should be allowed to remain in Congress.
She doesnt move on anything until she hears from 4000 voters.
grockri
(73 posts)She stood up for Moscow Mitch and hugged him after rushing the Amy Conny through. Now this primary her ass. She is nuts too.
still_one
(98,883 posts)was Graham. In addition, she also voted against the coney barrett nomination, which is what really matters. As an aside, she also vote against the Kavanaugh nomination.
Her voting record has been over 95% on progressive issues.
While most of us agree the hug was a stupid thing to do, along with the comment that she thought the hearing was well run, it was a misguided view on her part.
No one is going to primary Senator Feinstein. This will be her last term
Her record of progressive legislation has been very good, and stands on its own
https://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Dianne_Feinstein.htm
marmar
(79,739 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)BainsBane
(57,757 posts)and they faced the natural consequences.
How she doesn't understand their lies led to insurrection is beyond me. She's not thinking clearly.
calimary
(90,021 posts)You just reached my TOO-MUCH level. That and your smoochy-smoochy with Lindsey Graham - ENOUGH. Time for you to RETIRE.
DONE with you, woman.
karin_sj
(1,370 posts)I voted for her for senator many times, but I'm done. She is an idiot and I think she's probably getting senile. It is wayyyy past time for her to retire.
Joinfortmill
(21,165 posts)nwliberalkiwi
(423 posts)If Newsom is recalled and a Republican becomes Govenor then if Fienstein is gone the Repubs will appoint Repub Senator thus gaining control of the Senate back for the Republicans. That's the reason behind the recall.
Nitram
(27,749 posts)KPN
(17,377 posts)Shes living in a past that is long gone.
Cha
(319,076 posts)You're okay with Gaslighting & LIES in the "Highest form of Democracy" & the Deadly Insurrection that trump, Hawley, cruz & other magats Incited?
I Don't Think SO!!!!