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Tue Feb 2, 2021, 11:38 PM Feb 2021

SpaceX Starship explodes on landing in latest test of Mars-bound craft

Source: Yahoo Finance

SpaceX has performed the latest high-altitude flight test of its Mars-bound Starship spacecraft, resulting in a huge explosion upon landing. The Starship SN9 prototype launched from SpaceX’s Boca Chica facility in Texas on Tuesday, reaching a height of roughly 10km before belly flopping back to Earth.

Before reaching the landing pad it performed a complex landing flip manoeuvre but failed to right itself properly and crashed on the landing pad. A previous attempt to launch and land a Starship prototype in December also resulted in a fiery explosion after a botched landing.

SpaceX emphasized both the importance and difficulty of achieving a safe landing for Starship in a post on its website ahead of Tuesday’s launch. “A controlled aerodynamic descent with body flaps and vertical landing capability, combined with in-space refilling, are critical to landing Starship at destinations across the solar system where prepared surfaces or runways do not exist, and returning to Earth,” the post stated.

SpaceX CEO Elon Musk previously stated that he hopes to manufacture up to 100 Starship crafts every year, each capable of carrying up to 100 people.


Read more: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/spacex-starship-explodes-landing-latest-203644253.html

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SpaceX Starship explodes on landing in latest test of Mars-bound craft (Original Post) question everything Feb 2021 OP
Sorry to hear about the crash. Hope they can pinpoint the failure(s) and make the mods iluvtennis Feb 2021 #1
I watched. Looked like another engine failure (first time was caused by fuel sloshing). lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #12
Thanks for the info. I love space related stuff, so want this to succeed. WOuld also like to see iluvtennis Feb 2021 #17
They'll nail it. Spacex isn't afraid to fail fast and often. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #21
If you look at the SpaceX feed, it looked like the engine broke on relight. OnlinePoker Feb 2021 #23
Also, some pieces fell off at that time. So, yes, a different kind of engine failure. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #24
that the one the billionaires wanna ride? nt msongs Feb 2021 #2
I was told by an engineer StClone Feb 2021 #3
Not exactly SmartJellyfish Feb 2021 #15
The announcer actually said "we just gotta work on that landing a little bit" Polybius Feb 2021 #4
I don't know why it reminds me of this, but it does. Dem2theMax Feb 2021 #7
Reminds of the joke Steelrolled Feb 2021 #18
. Dem2theMax Feb 2021 #25
Hmmmm.... Bayard Feb 2021 #5
Looks like the same problem as the last crash. LudwigPastorius Feb 2021 #6
Yup. I think the SN8 failure was traced to sloshing fuel or something similar. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #13
I'm curious as to why they don't try to land in the oceans, Worried2020 Feb 2021 #8
No oceans to land in on the moon or Mars nt HariSeldon Feb 2021 #9
ah Worried2020 Feb 2021 #16
A mere ' rapid unscheduled disassembly' EarthFirst Feb 2021 #10
"...rapid unscheduled disassembly." That's a very geeky way of saying... SKKY Feb 2021 #20
They're fortunate that 9 didn't take out 10. n/t Harker Feb 2021 #11
Yeah! lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #14
"up to 100 Starship crafts every year, each capable of carrying up to 100 people." Steelrolled Feb 2021 #19
"Well, back to the old Drawing Board..." brooklynite Feb 2021 #22

iluvtennis

(19,858 posts)
1. Sorry to hear about the crash. Hope they can pinpoint the failure(s) and make the mods
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 11:46 PM
Feb 2021

to prevent in the future.

iluvtennis

(19,858 posts)
17. Thanks for the info. I love space related stuff, so want this to succeed. WOuld also like to see
Wed Feb 3, 2021, 12:04 PM
Feb 2021

our NASA make a come back.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
21. They'll nail it. Spacex isn't afraid to fail fast and often.
Wed Feb 3, 2021, 01:07 PM
Feb 2021

They blew up several fuel tanks before actually assembling the first Starship.

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
23. If you look at the SpaceX feed, it looked like the engine broke on relight.
Wed Feb 3, 2021, 01:27 PM
Feb 2021

You can see one engine burning fine, but the second sputtering, and then at the top of the engine a ball of fire (11:45-11:50 of the linked video). Earlier, just after lift-off, you could see flames surrounding the engines as well (around the 6th minute of the video).

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
24. Also, some pieces fell off at that time. So, yes, a different kind of engine failure.
Wed Feb 3, 2021, 02:56 PM
Feb 2021

And that's sort of a mark of progress.

StClone

(11,683 posts)
3. I was told by an engineer
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 11:59 PM
Feb 2021

One big cost saving, slimming down operations, performers preview by SpaceX is lowered redundancy systems in the program compared to NASA. NASA was absolutely over-cautious replete with triple or more redundancy to save equipment and/or lives. I have no way to confirm this and if anyone has insight into this observation I am interested. He says that is why he is expecting an absolutely colossal failure at some point equal the Challenge/Columbia disaster a lot sooner than NASA did.

SmartJellyfish

(63 posts)
15. Not exactly
Wed Feb 3, 2021, 10:53 AM
Feb 2021

Spacex develops their programs on the principle of "iteration". The first try will have the basic functions figured out with the subsystems maybe 80% done. Then they test, understand what went wrong, and fix it for the next flight and so on. The iteration process is faster to engineer a complex system than the NASA method of "Analysis Paralysis". Waiting until everything is designed to the Nth degree before flying is a safe but slow process.

SpaceX can do iteration like this because they are fast and have a team of young and motivated engineers doing the work. They can design and manufacture the fixes in about 1/10th the time any other aerospace company. Not an exaggeration.

In the end, the final systems that will carry humans into space will have been tested 100's of times and WILL have the triple redundant backup as necessary for safety where appropriate.

Polybius

(15,411 posts)
4. The announcer actually said "we just gotta work on that landing a little bit"
Wed Feb 3, 2021, 12:07 AM
Feb 2021

I kid you not, at 12:44.

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Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
18. Reminds of the joke
Wed Feb 3, 2021, 12:15 PM
Feb 2021

about an airliner that had made an unusually rough landing. On exiting the plane, an elderly lady asked the pilot "Did you land this plane, or were we shot down?"

Edit to fix typo.

LudwigPastorius

(9,140 posts)
6. Looks like the same problem as the last crash.
Wed Feb 3, 2021, 12:39 AM
Feb 2021

One of the engines didn't re-ignite.

I'd say it's because of frozen fuel lines, but they were having that problem 8 years ago, so you'd think they would already have a solution to that.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. Yup. I think the SN8 failure was traced to sloshing fuel or something similar.
Wed Feb 3, 2021, 10:34 AM
Feb 2021

The engine on the previous flight was sucking in only oxygen, and burned out in a vivid green flame.

SKKY

(11,807 posts)
20. "...rapid unscheduled disassembly." That's a very geeky way of saying...
Wed Feb 3, 2021, 01:04 PM
Feb 2021

..."Shit just starting falling apart."

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
19. "up to 100 Starship crafts every year, each capable of carrying up to 100 people."
Wed Feb 3, 2021, 12:17 PM
Feb 2021

... this is one of those times when you don't want to do the math.

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