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BumRushDaShow

(128,391 posts)
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 05:43 PM Feb 2021

Manafort Can't Be Prosecuted in New York After Trump Pardon, Court Rules

Source: New York Times

The Manhattan district attorney’s attempt to prosecute former President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign chairman was dealt a final blow when New York’s highest court said quietly last week it would not review lower court rulings on the case. The court’s decision brings to an end the district attorney’s quest to ensure that the campaign chairman, Paul J. Manafort, will face state charges for mortgage fraud and other state felonies, crimes similar to those for which he was convicted in federal court and then pardoned by Mr. Trump.

When the district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., a Democrat, first brought charges against Mr. Manafort in March 2019, it was widely understood that he was doing so to make sure that Mr. Manafort would face prosecution even if Mr. Trump decided to pardon him. At the time, Mr. Manafort was serving a sentence of seven and a half years in a Pennsylvania federal prison after being convicted at a 2018 financial fraud trial by prosecutors working for the special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.

In October, a New York appeals court found that Mr. Vance’s efforts to try Mr. Manafort violated the state’s double jeopardy law. Mr. Vance took the case to the Court of Appeals. Then, in December, Mr. Trump did pardon Mr. Manafort, 71, who had been released to home confinement in Northern Virginia, after his lawyers argued that he was at risk of contracting the coronavirus.

A lawyer for Mr. Manafort, Todd Blanche, said that he had received the high court’s one-paragraph decision Monday and that he was happy with the ruling. “Mr. Manafort is similarly pleased with the result,” he said. A spokesman for Mr. Vance’s office declined to comment. The charges that Mr. Vance brought against Mr. Manafort were the result of an investigation, started in 2017, into loans the campaign chairman had received. Mr. Vance ultimately accused Mr. Manafort of having falsified business records in order to obtain the loans.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/nyregion/manafort-vance-ny-indictment.html



I know NY closed a loophole but I suppose this was due to the timing of the original suit before the loophole was closed?

Cuomo signs law that allows NY to prosecute those pardoned by a President

By Chandelis Duster, CNN
Published 2:17 PM EDT, Wed October 16, 2019

(CNN) — New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed legislation on Wednesday that will allow the state to prosecute people who have received a presidential pardon for the same offense, which could potentially affect associates of President Donald Trump. The bill, which was passed by the state legislature in May, closes New York’s “double jeopardy” legal loophole that protected individuals who are pardoned by a president for federal crimes from being prosecuted at the state level for the same offense. The change goes into effect immediately and applies to future and past offenses, provided a plea has not been entered and a person has not already been tried.

“No one is above the law and New York will not turn a blind eye to criminality, no matter who seeks to protect them,” Cuomo, a Democrat, said in a statement. “The closure of this egregious loophole gives prosecutors the ability to stand up against any abuse of power, and helps ensure that no politically motivated, self-serving action is sanctioned under law.” The new law potentially short-circuits Trump’s ability to shield his associates from prosecution, including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who was sentenced to more than seven years in prison on financial crimes stemming from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into the 2016 campaign.

The New York Attorney General’s office, which has vowed to investigate Trump and his business dealings, said in a release the new law establishes an additional exception “that would ensure that New York’s criminal laws continue to apply to individuals who receive a presidential pardon and also have a connection to the president either by family or close professional relationship, or through a narrow set of other criteria.”

“This critical new law closes a gaping loophole that could have allowed any president to abuse the presidential pardon power by unfairly granting a pardon to a family member or close associate and possibly allow that individual to evade justice altogether,” New York Attorney General Letitia James said in a statement. “No one is above the law, and this commonsense measure will provide a reasonable and necessary check on presidential power today and for all presidents to come.”

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/16/politics/andrew-cuomo-double-jeopardy-law/index.html
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Manafort Can't Be Prosecuted in New York After Trump Pardon, Court Rules (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 OP
it does seem that the system is rigged, doesn't it? NRaleighLiberal Feb 2021 #1
Terrible!! Thekaspervote Feb 2021 #2
no surprise llashram Feb 2021 #3
Are we supposed to believe that one of his slimiest cronies only CaptYossarian Feb 2021 #4
Some of these articles have the tone of finality about them - but this isn't over yet. MisterNiceKitty Feb 2021 #5
Disgusting. Will ManaFART have to testify if called during a tRUMP Grand Jury? NT SayItLoud Feb 2021 #6
Wait. I've been told forever that State Charges CANNOT be Pardoned msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #7
They are claiming BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #9
I think I understand now... I'm pointing finger at Cy Vance for dragging it out etc msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #18
I don't think it was his fault BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #19
This all makes sense. Lasher Feb 2021 #26
Wonder why Cuomo took so long? msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #27
I had to double-take on the dates BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #28
I see. I thank you so much for spending the time and energy msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #31
Fuck that. Nt BootinUp Feb 2021 #8
make the fucker testify re:Trump - he will reveal further crimes for which he is vulnerable bringthePaine Feb 2021 #10
Get rid of that screwed up "pardon" idea. C Moon Feb 2021 #11
He's still losing all his money. No? 3Hotdogs Feb 2021 #12
I doubt Congress can change pardons bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #13
THAT'S FUCKING BULLSHIT. AZ8theist Feb 2021 #14
Another criminal walks free. This is disgusting. Lonestarblue Feb 2021 #15
gods. how lucky can one man be!! riversedge Feb 2021 #16
If he cannot be charged then can he be forced to testify against everyone else involved since he cstanleytech Feb 2021 #17
I'm not too upset about this court decision PJMcK Feb 2021 #20
He owes money to a Russian Oligarch. maxsolomon Feb 2021 #21
LOL That would require T**** to have a conscience VWolf Feb 2021 #32
One would hope and think... Ponietz Feb 2021 #22
Oh, please (n/t) PJMcK Feb 2021 #23
I mentioned in an above post BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #24
they alway catch the little fish, but the big ones almost always get away. AllaN01Bear Feb 2021 #25
K&R Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2021 #29
The timing argument you so well present is probably the case. But. Trump can be prosecuted. ancianita Feb 2021 #30

llashram

(6,265 posts)
3. no surprise
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 06:06 PM
Feb 2021

grifters, con artists and crooks tend to look out for each other in those type of political associations and CYA worthy situations. Trump's Republican cronies have made dodging the law into an art form. With trump's help of course.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
4. Are we supposed to believe that one of his slimiest cronies only
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 06:15 PM
Feb 2021

committed crimes in one state? And only federal crimes at that?

With guys like Manafort and Stone, they're doing something illegal as soon as they leave their coffin each day.

MisterNiceKitty

(422 posts)
5. Some of these articles have the tone of finality about them - but this isn't over yet.
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 06:16 PM
Feb 2021

There's still a long process ahead in this case and others

msfiddlestix

(7,270 posts)
7. Wait. I've been told forever that State Charges CANNOT be Pardoned
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 06:17 PM
Feb 2021

And furthermore, from the writing of this article, says the judge refused to hear this case.

Is "Refusing to Hear" a case, the same as Dismissing a case?


And also, it appears from this writing that the State's case has been dismissed by lower courts in the State. Is that accurate?

Again and again I am reminded we do not have, nor have we ever had an Equal For All Justice System.


It's a fucking lie and it's confirmed time and time and time again.

BumRushDaShow

(128,391 posts)
9. They are claiming
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 06:26 PM
Feb 2021

the technicality is the trying of a case in the state for the same charges that had been done in federal court. And the state appeals (lower) court had thrown it out, and an appeal to NY's highest court resulted in it being refused a hearing (meaning the lower court ruling stands).

This was apparently due to what I mentioned in the OP about the "timing" of NY's new "double jeopardy" law and I was right (from the OP link) -

(snip)

In 2019, the state legislature in New York passed a measure that lawmakers argued was necessary in order to check Mr. Trump’s pardon power and to ensure that his associates were not permitted to escape justice. The law, signed by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo in October 2019, allows state prosecutors to pursue charges against individuals who have been granted presidential pardons for similar crimes.

State Senator Todd Kaminsky, a Democrat and former federal prosecutor who sponsored the bill, said that the Manafort case drove home the need for the legislation.

“It really underscored why we had to take legislative action that we did so that states can pursue their own path even if there is a federal pardon,” he said. The law would make it easier for state prosecutors to pursue those on Mr. Trump’s pardon list.

The law passed too late to apply to Mr. Manafort’s case. The result, Mr. Kaminsky said, was that Mr. Vance’s office had to contort itself to try to show that the acts that Mr. Manafort had been charged with in federal court were not the same as those they were pursuing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/nyregion/manafort-vance-ny-indictment.html


I remember following the NY state legislature's working on that bill but it seemed (IMHO) that they were really dragging it out and by the time they finally passed it and Cuomo signed it, it was too late for it to apply to Manafort.

The article does suggest that it COULD apply to Bannon however, since he hasn't been tried for anything yet!

msfiddlestix

(7,270 posts)
18. I think I understand now... I'm pointing finger at Cy Vance for dragging it out etc
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 08:43 PM
Feb 2021

Is that a fair judgement on my part? Does my thoughts about this comport with logic on the facts? Or am I off base, misunderstanding what you've tried to explain to me. Sorry, I can be really dense about these issues often times, but I'm trying to understand it better.

BumRushDaShow

(128,391 posts)
19. I don't think it was his fault
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 09:20 PM
Feb 2021

but I do think he was hoping the state would get on with passing the law "in time" to close the loophole and that didn't happen, so he was stuck having to try to finagle another way to justify the charges and finish the case through the appeals. If they have other charges they can bring that haven't already been brought up in federal court, then he could try again.

Looking at the timeline, the NY state legislature passed the bill in May 2019 and Cuomo signed it in October 2019, but Vance's Manafort case had already been on-going.

Am thinking Manafort might be "little fish" in the "big pond" because the "big fish" are being pursued by Letitia James (and I expect her not having gone to trial yet may have had to do with making sure that law was in effect).

msfiddlestix

(7,270 posts)
27. Wonder why Cuomo took so long?
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:19 PM
Feb 2021

Now I'm wondering if this is really behind NY AG's law suit against Cuomo related to the Covid deaths in the Nursing Homes, something related to the data mismanagement I think. But she made such a show of it, I was thinking she has ambitions to run against him in the next election.


Something is causing her cases against Trump to be slow walked too. What I would give to find out why.

BumRushDaShow

(128,391 posts)
28. I had to double-take on the dates
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 11:09 PM
Feb 2021

but the law was passed in 2019 and obviously 2020 was consumed with COVID-19. The timing is noted here -

Cy Vance Has a Double Jeopardy Problem

It will delegitimize his case against Paul Manafort.

By Jed Shugerman

March 15, 2019 11:05 AM


Judge Amy Berman Jackson completed her sentencing of Paul Manafort for federal charges earlier this week, and the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office wasted no time indicting the former Trump campaign chairman on 16 additional counts for state crimes. The indictment seemed calculated to prevent Donald Trump from letting a potential confederate off the hook with a presidential pardon, while the timing allowed for the federal prosecution to fully conclude. (I have been suggesting this state-action backup strategy in Slate since July 2017.) District Attorney Cyrus Vance was quickly showered with praise (including, initially, from me). After more closely reading the indictment, though, most of the charges seem to violate New York’s double jeopardy law.

In ignoring the spirit, and possibly the letter, of these double jeopardy provisions, Wednesday’s state charges could result in a damaging setback for New York’s civil liberties and the rule of law.

At least nine, but probably 11 or 12, of the 16 counts seem to substantially overlap with Manafort’s federal conviction in August for defrauding Citizens Bank, leaving just four or five more minor charges pertaining to his involvement with a second bank. It’s unclear whether “Lender #1” in many of Vance’s charges is Citizens Bank, but it sure looks like those charges are related to the Citizens Bank loan. Whether “Lender #1” is Citizens Bank or another bank assisting the same loan, it seems like Vance is trying to prosecute Manafort for the same transaction and the same basic offense for which he was already convicted. (The New York County District Attorney’s office declined to provide comment on the case.)

(snip)

Last April, I argued that New York should amend its double jeopardy laws to defend against potentially abusive pardons. A bill was proposed in the Legislature, but it has not yet passed. What if New York were to finally amend its laws now? If these state charges against Manafort are indeed plagued by double jeopardy concerns, as appears to be the case, could they be saved by any statute to amend New York’s double jeopardy statute to close a “pardon loophole”? Probably not. Ex post facto laws, which impose criminal liability after the crime, are unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court has applied that prohibition to procedural changes, such as statutes of limitations.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-manafort/ex-trump-aide-manafort-cannot-be-prosecuted-in-new-york-following-pardon-court-idUSKBN2A82IT


The timeline then was that Manafort was sentenced (federally) in Virginia on March 7, 2019 and was sentenced (federally) in D.C. on March 13, 2019.

The NY state legislature didn't pass their double-jeopardy loop-hole closer bill until May 21st, 2019, 2 months after Vance charged Manafort, so it was too late, and trying to apply it to Manafort at that point, would be seen as it being an "ex post facto" law targeting him (which it was... but that is "illegal" ). So that is probably why Cuomo slow-walked signing it later that year.

I think with respect to James, she probably had to wait to see what pardons were finalized (some people are still claiming there are "secret pardons" somewhere), and once that is nailed down, then I think she can proceed "more publicly" (she has been working the Trump org in any case).

msfiddlestix

(7,270 posts)
31. I see. I thank you so much for spending the time and energy
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 12:48 AM
Feb 2021

taking the pains to make this so much more clear to me. I get it now, with your help.

It doesn't make me feel any better, but oh well. Too bad.

I suppose we always knew this would be the eventuality with his buddie in the white house. We'll see how careful he will be with his future laundry money endeavors. Perhaps justice can legally have a second bite at the apple later.

Thanks again!

bucolic_frolic

(43,032 posts)
13. I doubt Congress can change pardons
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 07:09 PM
Feb 2021

Need a Constitutional amendment. Pardoning people with business or political ties to the same administration needs 60 Senators' approval or something like that. This is ridiculous.

Manafort did serve time, and he did pay fines and had property confiscated from what I remember. Hope that's intact.

cstanleytech

(26,224 posts)
17. If he cannot be charged then can he be forced to testify against everyone else involved since he
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 08:26 PM
Feb 2021

is not facing any criminal charges himself?
If the answer is yes then he might want to get a food taster and be careful in the shower and on steps when they are wet or icy.

PJMcK

(21,988 posts)
20. I'm not too upset about this court decision
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 09:37 PM
Feb 2021

After all, Manafort's life has been ruined. His career is finished. His financial assets have been seized or spent. His family is a shambles. He spent a couple of years in prison.

If only Trump could face the same demise...

maxsolomon

(33,232 posts)
21. He owes money to a Russian Oligarch.
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 09:48 PM
Feb 2021

How that will play out remains to be seen.

Trump might wish to settle Manafort's debt. He kept his mouth shut for him.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
32. LOL That would require T**** to have a conscience
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 09:44 AM
Feb 2021

or some sense of loyalty. He has shown absolutely none of that in his 70+ miserable years.

Ponietz

(2,934 posts)
22. One would hope and think...
Mon Feb 8, 2021, 09:49 PM
Feb 2021

...but, surely, comments similar to yours were made after early parole for the Beer Hall Putsch instigators.

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