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Judi Lynn

(164,125 posts)
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 12:18 AM Feb 2021

A Man Charged in the U.S. Capitol Riot Worked for the FBI, His Lawyer Says

Source: Time

BY ALANNA DURKIN RICHER AND MICHAEL BALSAMO / AP FEBRUARY 8, 2021 9:50 PM EST

WASHINGTON — A man who authorities say is a leader of the far-right Oath Keepers militia group and helped to organize a ring of other extremists and led them in the attack last month at the U.S. Capitol has held a top-secret security clearance for decades and previously worked for the FBI, his attorney said Monday.

Thomas Caldwell, who authorities believe holds a leadership role in the extremist group, worked as a section chief for the FBI from 2009 to 2010 after retiring from the Navy, his lawyer, Thomas Plofchan, wrote in a motion urging the judge to release him from jail while he awaits trial.

The defense said Caldwell, who has denied being part of the Oath Keepers, has held a top-secret security clearance since 1979, which required multiple special background investigations, according to Plofchan. Caldwell also ran a consulting firm that did classified work for the U.S. government, the lawyer said.

“He has been vetted and found numerous times as a person worthy of the trust and confidence of the United States government, as indicated by granting him Top Secret clearances,” Plofchan wrote.

Most section chiefs within the FBI rise through the ranks of the bureau and it is unclear whether Caldwell would’ve been directly hired for that position or whether he held any other positions with the bureau. The FBI did not immediately comment Monday evening and Caldwell’s lawyer didn’t immediately answer questions about his client’s work.

Caldwell is one of three people authorities have described as Oath Keepers who were charged last month with conspiracy and accused of plotting the attack on the Capitol in advance. He has been locked up since his arrest at his home in Berryville, Virginia, on Jan. 19.



Read more: https://time.com/5937535/us-capitol-riot-fbi-oath-keepers/

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A Man Charged in the U.S. Capitol Riot Worked for the FBI, His Lawyer Says (Original Post) Judi Lynn Feb 2021 OP
I'm guessing he won't have his security clearance for much longer...nt Fiendish Thingy Feb 2021 #1
He'd better not! lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #24
Division Q, no doubt. C_U_L8R Feb 2021 #2
X Files Marthe48 Feb 2021 #32
Damn Wawannabe Feb 2021 #3
His future seems trashed. magicarpet Feb 2021 #4
Stamp license plates. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #25
Was he present during the insurrection? Did he enter the building? truthisfreedom Feb 2021 #5
Absolutely, t -- he's an oathkeeper, busted along with these two cohorts Leghorn21 Feb 2021 #7
K&R MustLoveBeagles Feb 2021 #6
Say it isn't so Deuxcents Feb 2021 #8
There should be higher standards expected for people like this, if true. And higher penalties. NBachers Feb 2021 #9
I'm not buying it. He wouldn't be the first law enforcement agent to have turned against Ford_Prefect Feb 2021 #10
Ooops. There goes the rest of his life. Dem2theMax Feb 2021 #11
Robert Hanssen held a FBI top secret clearance, too. Aldrich Ames had TS clearance, too. Tactical Peek Feb 2021 #12
Exactly! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Feb 2021 #27
Good point oasis Feb 2021 #36
LOL. Assuming this is true, "he's an FBI agent gone bad, your honor, so let him free." PSPS Feb 2021 #13
Mexico tiptonic Feb 2021 #14
Wow ellie Feb 2021 #15
A number of current law enforcement & armed services participated Crash2Parties Feb 2021 #16
Someone posted here not long ago Duppers Feb 2021 #17
Here's a link to Caldwell's arrest warrant/ criminal complaint...a lot more detailed than article... Jetheels Feb 2021 #18
Either he changed or they never really knew him. milestogo Feb 2021 #19
I don't want to recognize it bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #20
Related: Man charged in Capitol riot worked for FBI, lawyer says UpInArms Feb 2021 #21
Not surprised. dawn frenzy adams Feb 2021 #22
Thank you. I worked for years with several sets of LE -- feds, staties, sheriffs, etc., and Nay Feb 2021 #31
my experience as well Evolve Dammit Feb 2021 #33
White Supremacists infestation throughout our Entire Government msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #23
Oathkeeper rso Feb 2021 #26
The WaPo says his lawyer is claiming this: LeftInTX Feb 2021 #35
Yeah OldBaldy1701E Feb 2021 #28
All Ingersollman Feb 2021 #29
"You may not know it but this man is a spy Xipe Totec Feb 2021 #30
Thank You for Posting..Great Article... Stuart G Feb 2021 #34
Yeah, vetting via the ol' White-Men's Boys Club isn't going to cut it any more. intheflow Feb 2021 #37
I think its total bullshit... cntrfthrs Feb 2021 #38

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
24. He'd better not!
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:09 AM
Feb 2021

It takes very little to lose a clearance (unless you're a Trump or Kushner).

Deuxcents

(26,931 posts)
8. Say it isn't so
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:04 AM
Feb 2021

Why? I just wanna understand why. How can we change this? It cannot be ignored.

NBachers

(19,439 posts)
9. There should be higher standards expected for people like this, if true. And higher penalties.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:39 AM
Feb 2021

Ford_Prefect

(8,613 posts)
10. I'm not buying it. He wouldn't be the first law enforcement agent to have turned against
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:43 AM
Feb 2021

established authority. As noted above and seen in print there are more than a few former police and military people who were in on or supporting the Jan. 6th events. The immediate evidence of his actions are what should bear on his release and any charges.

Tactical Peek

(1,419 posts)
12. Robert Hanssen held a FBI top secret clearance, too. Aldrich Ames had TS clearance, too.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:53 AM
Feb 2021

They will both remain in a U.S. prison until they die.

If you can't do the time, Tommy, then don't do the crime.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
16. A number of current law enforcement & armed services participated
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:18 AM
Feb 2021

Particularly those in the CSPOA / Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association have ensured that being part of American law enforcement sadly no longer holds the same cachet it once did.

Duppers

(28,469 posts)
17. Someone posted here not long ago
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:25 AM
Feb 2021

About the high probability of many law enforcement people being, not just repub, but solidly far rightwing crazy.


UpInArms

(54,984 posts)
21. Related: Man charged in Capitol riot worked for FBI, lawyer says
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 09:58 AM
Feb 2021
Charging documents show messages between Caldwell and the others about arranging hotel rooms in the Washington area in the days before the siege. In one Facebook message from to Caldwell, one the others says: “Will probably call you tomorrow … mainly because … I like to know wtf plan is. You are the man COMMANDER.”

Authorities say the Oath Keepers communicated during the attack about where lawmakers were. At one point during the siege, Caldwell received a message that said “all members are in the tunnels under the capital,” according to court documents. “Seal them in turn on gas,” it said.

Other messages read: “Tom all legislators are down in the Tunnels 3floors down” and “go through back house chamber doors facing N left down hallway down steps,” according to court documents.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-capitol-riot-worked-fbi-lawyer-says-n1257121

If this guy can be vetted ... who else like this is in the FBI?

dawn frenzy adams

(429 posts)
22. Not surprised.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:01 AM
Feb 2021

I never thought of the FBI or any federal, state, city, law enforcement agency, as anything else- other than right-wing.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
31. Thank you. I worked for years with several sets of LE -- feds, staties, sheriffs, etc., and
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 11:09 AM
Feb 2021

many are majorly right-wing. Some of them are smart enough to not have "88" tattooed on their necks, but they are still total sympathizers.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
23. White Supremacists infestation throughout our Entire Government
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:08 AM
Feb 2021

And this is the issue that has to be addressed within the Law Enforcement Agencies throughout our Government, our Military, our entire Justice System.


"He has been vetted and found numerous times as a person worthy of the trust and confidence of the United States government, as indicated by granting him Top Secret clearances,” Plofchan wrote.







rso

(2,673 posts)
26. Oathkeeper
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:17 AM
Feb 2021

I speak from experience, and there is absolutely no way that a GS-12 would hold an FBI Section Chief job, a senior position within the Bureau. Even first-line supervisory Agents are GS-14, so there is no way he was a Section Chief or even Agent for that matter.

LeftInTX

(34,302 posts)
35. The WaPo says his lawyer is claiming this:
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:37 PM
Feb 2021
But Caldwell’s attorney, Thomas K. Plofchan, says he isn’t just a retired lieutenant commander. Caldwell also had a top-secret security clearance and served as a section chief for the FBI after leaving the armed forces in 2009, Plofchan said.

Those details were revealed in a motion filed Monday asking a judge to release Caldwell from custody, citing his long military career and ability to pass vetting for the high-security clearance. His attorney also said that Caldwell has disabilities from his military service that would have prevented him from storming the Capitol.

The FBI did not immediately return an inquiry late Monday about Caldwell’s past employment status. Caldwell’s filing, which says he was paid as a GS-12, does not explain how he could have served as an FBI section chief while also being classified at a significantly lower federal pay scale than typically comes with such a position.

The claims about Caldwell’s high-security clearance and FBI service add to concerns about extremism in the military and law enforcement. The indictments against numerous alleged rioters with military and police connections have led local agencies to open investigations and the Pentagon to order each military branch to dedicate time to addressing the problem in the coming months.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/02/09/capitol-riot-oath-keeper-fbi/


Emphasis on "had"...Still who knows???

One would think that a security clearance is terminated when an employment is terminated.

When one reads about Caldwell, after he retired, he had failed spinal surgery in 2010....All these things happen to people once they are no longer employed. Now he is a guy with lots of free time and lots of time to "play" with his security clearance......

And if the FBI is keeping these clearances after employment, then something is very wrong....Very disturbing if this is true...

OldBaldy1701E

(11,143 posts)
28. Yeah
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:32 AM
Feb 2021
The defense said Caldwell, who has denied being part of the Oath Keepers, has held a top-secret security clearance since 1979...


**Looks at the US government over the past 60 years.**

Yeah... and this proves...?

Ingersollman

(204 posts)
29. All
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:54 AM
Feb 2021

the more reason NOT to let that sedionist bastard out of jail. With all he knows he is undoubtedly a flight risk.

Xipe Totec

(44,558 posts)
30. "You may not know it but this man is a spy
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 11:08 AM
Feb 2021

He's a undercover agent for the FBI
And he's been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan!"

He was still bent over holding on to his knee
But everybody else was looking and listening to me
And I laid it on thicker and heavier as I went

I said, "Would you believe this man has gone as far
As tearing Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars
And he voted for George McGovern for President"

"Well he's a friend of them long haired hippy-type, pinko fags!
I bet you he's even got a commie flag
Tacked up on the wall inside of his garage"
"He's a snake in the grass, I tell you guys
He may look dumb but that's just a disguise
He's a mastermind in the ways of espionage"

- Uneasy Rider
Charlie Daniels Band

intheflow

(30,179 posts)
37. Yeah, vetting via the ol' White-Men's Boys Club isn't going to cut it any more.
Tue Feb 9, 2021, 04:26 PM
Feb 2021

They didn't know about him and his racism because they didn't screen for it. That's just a bullshit defense.

cntrfthrs

(252 posts)
38. I think its total bullshit...
Wed Feb 10, 2021, 02:46 AM
Feb 2021

If he was actually who he claims to be, he wouldnt be all over the news. the FBI would have seen to that...

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