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Omaha Steve

(99,829 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:07 AM Feb 2021

Woman survives 100-plus-car pileup, crawls out back window on I-35 in Fort Worth

Source: KHOU 11

Alicia Stone says she's still processing what happened Thursday morning; at least six people were killed in the rush-hour crash.

Author: Lauren Zakalik

FORT WORTH, Texas — No one ever leaves their home in the morning to go to work thinking they'll be part of a massive and tragic wreck; Alicia Stone certainly didn't.

"I was headed into work, and we had just talked in the morning that it would be a little bit safer maybe to try the toll road," said Stone.

We know now what ended up happening on that Interstate 35 southbound toll road, just north of downtown Fort Worth Thursday morning: a pileup of at least 133 vehicles, leaving at least six people dead, on a morning colder and slicker than most of us can remember.

"I was hitting my brakes, they wouldn't work," Stone said. "After that, I got hit probably four or five times from behind, just from people piling up, from the hits. So, I stayed in my car until there were no more hits."

Video: https://khou.com/embeds/video/287-ab3286fd-9982-4770-bde3-fe45fc9fc261/iframe?jwsource=cl





Read more: https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/texas/woman-survives-massive-100-plus-car-pileup-crawls-out-back-window-on-i-35-in-fort-worth/287-14ab6388-6bce-49a0-a75b-868dcea35734
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Woman survives 100-plus-car pileup, crawls out back window on I-35 in Fort Worth (Original Post) Omaha Steve Feb 2021 OP
Saw The Chopper Video This Morning ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #1
The politicians are going after the company.... MicaelS Feb 2021 #2
i am tired of the privatization of public property. blame that on raygun. AllaN01Bear Feb 2021 #3
Agreed 100% n/t MicaelS Feb 2021 #5
+1 Baitball Blogger Feb 2021 #6
+100 Absolutely bronxiteforever Feb 2021 #7
My son reported that they had sanded the express lanes, but had not yet treated the regular lanes FailureToCommunicate Feb 2021 #8
This happen in the Toll lanes. n/t MicaelS Feb 2021 #9
Yep. Not maintained by TXDOT. I 35 itself is TXDOT responsibility yellowdogintexas Feb 2021 #14
+1. Hope there are lawsuits. dalton99a Feb 2021 #10
Just imagine the insurance claims! (n/t) PJMcK Feb 2021 #13
These should be wrongful death suits FakeNoose Feb 2021 #23
Awful! LeftInTX Feb 2021 #18
I wonder what effect the barriers had on the overall size of this Sapient Donkey Feb 2021 #22
I pray for everyone! onecent Feb 2021 #4
Those of us that live in the northern states and see icy roads are used to seeing warning signs at.. usaf-vet Feb 2021 #11
With ABS now Jimbo S Feb 2021 #12
Agreed but the variability of the possible conditions makes it hard to have a fixed dirrection. usaf-vet Feb 2021 #17
Nothing works on ice, tires are not contacting road, it don't matter Baclava Feb 2021 #15
she could still have been on a dry spot then hit ice yellowdogintexas Feb 2021 #16
I live in South Texas: When there is ice, stay home! LeftInTX Feb 2021 #20
In the mid 1960s I was station in the south. A freak snow and ice storm hit the region..... usaf-vet Feb 2021 #19
Does not matter where you are from on black ice driving is really impossible. GulfCoast66 Feb 2021 #21
It's a "climate atmosphere" thing LeftInTX Feb 2021 #25
I'm from Wisconsin and did not see an ice storm until I moved to Texas LeftInTX Feb 2021 #26
Privatization is such wonderful thing. rickyhall Feb 2021 #24
FWIW, the owners of the trees are responsible to keep TexasBushwhacker Feb 2021 #27

ProfessorGAC

(65,326 posts)
1. Saw The Chopper Video This Morning
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:22 AM
Feb 2021

Wow, what a mess. And 6 dead.
Nothing worse than driving on smooth ice. Dense fog is a close second, I suppose.
There was a phone video showing a FedEx semi plowing into the back of another truck. Clearly the driver was going to fast for icy roads.
6 dead. What a shame.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
2. The politicians are going after the company....
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:54 AM
Feb 2021

That owns the toll road. Apparently they did not pre-treat the road that day. They did it on Wednesday, but not on Thursday. They were "checking" the surface.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,027 posts)
8. My son reported that they had sanded the express lanes, but had not yet treated the regular lanes
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 11:04 AM
Feb 2021

where all the truck traffic travels. It was an overpass, so "bridge pavement freezes before roadway" applies.

The trucks especially should have be going much slower. The Fed Ex tractor trailer, and then the next one (in the horrible videos) where clearly going WAY too fast for conditions.

yellowdogintexas

(22,288 posts)
14. Yep. Not maintained by TXDOT. I 35 itself is TXDOT responsibility
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 01:22 PM
Feb 2021

and you can see the difference in the overhead views.

Another local DUer posted yesterday about the weather. If the weather were warm, it would have been "scattered showers" or "isolated storms" - the kind that pour down on one spot and miss everything surrounding it. The kind where it is pouring down on one side of the street but the other side is dry. This is not unusual around here. Because it was in the 20s, it came down as sleet and freezing rain, with ice under the storms and dry pavement all around. One could be scooting along on dry pavement, hit a big patch of ice unexpectedly and lose control of the vehicle. Weather would have been reporting on highway conditions,without knowing locations of these more dangerous locations. I think this may partially account for the speed of the vehicles

I expect the FWPD investigation will find this may have contributed.

From my point of view I know this:

The south bound lanes are downhill
If accidents occured on the northbound side, to my knowledge they have not been reported
The tollway was treated by the management company not the state
The actual Interstate was treated by TXDOT
The precipitation was sporadic and heavy in spots while dry in others. (we had nothing here)
Everything was complicated by the darkness and early morning rush hour.
It has been at least 5 years since our area has had winter weather; our winters have been unseasonably warm.

My brother in law and his wife are both FWPD officers; he was one of the first to arrive on the scene while she ended up in traffic control, closing lanes and redirecting traffic

Their input will be very interesting indeed.



FakeNoose

(32,853 posts)
23. These should be wrongful death suits
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 02:18 PM
Feb 2021

Gross negligence! If the private contractor cannot maintain the highway then the road must be closed for dangerous conditions. Let people be late for work, let them complain, I don't care. The people of Texas deserve better.

I live in Pennsylvania, where we have lots of snow, lots of roads, and lots of hills. Our PA drivers have learned how to drive in icy conditions. Nobody hits the highway and jams on the gas. Many of us stay home until it's safe, the ones who must go to work drive slowly and carefully.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
22. I wonder what effect the barriers had on the overall size of this
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 02:17 PM
Feb 2021

The roads being a narrow two lane channel that locks cars inside. Curious if that increased the scale since it limited the number avoidance maneuvers, or if it contained the damage by preventing some of those trucks from taking out more cars. Would have the damage been as severe if many of those cars didn't meet a hard stop?

usaf-vet

(6,232 posts)
11. Those of us that live in the northern states and see icy roads are used to seeing warning signs at..
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 12:43 PM
Feb 2021

... bridge (elevated ) roads. We know the "overpasses" require special cautions. Unfortunately for southern states that is not common knowledge.

I'll bet ["I was hitting my brakes, they wouldn't work,"] her brakes were working but she was "standing" on them. Snow and ice country drivers know to TAP your brake don't stomp on them.

But in her defense chain reaction crashes are a different beast. She could have stopped with proper braking only to be repeatedly hit from behind. Glad she survived.

usaf-vet

(6,232 posts)
17. Agreed but the variability of the possible conditions makes it hard to have a fixed dirrection.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 01:48 PM
Feb 2021

BUT stay in the car until all crashing STOPS.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
15. Nothing works on ice, tires are not contacting road, it don't matter
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 01:32 PM
Feb 2021

" I stayed in my car until there were no more hits"

smartest move, never leave your cage of steel and become a crash dummy on the open road

yellowdogintexas

(22,288 posts)
16. she could still have been on a dry spot then hit ice
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 01:33 PM
Feb 2021

and then hit from behind by other cars doing the same thing.

TXDOT would have lit up the big digital warning boards but I can't remember where they are up in that part of the city

LeftInTX

(25,707 posts)
20. I live in South Texas: When there is ice, stay home!
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 02:08 PM
Feb 2021

Ice is our most common winter precip...

We get ice storms, which I rarely saw up north......

I think it has to do with our climate, which has a warm atmosphere, (rain, but most commonly drizzle) but for some reason the surface is below freezing and we get ice.

Up north, ice occurred in patches. (Mostly commonly at stop signs...probably from the thaw/freeze) Down here, it's everywhere.

Snow OTOH is not ice.

usaf-vet

(6,232 posts)
19. In the mid 1960s I was station in the south. A freak snow and ice storm hit the region.....
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 02:02 PM
Feb 2021

.... after several hours of on-base and off-base accidents happening the base commander to his credit issued an immediate base-wide order that no military vehicles or private vehicles could be driven on base unless the driver had a driver's license from northern states where snow and ice storms were common.

I can't give you any data on before and after the order's accident rates. But it was a storm with less than 2" sticking on the ground.

Us "damn Yankees" got a laugh for the day.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
21. Does not matter where you are from on black ice driving is really impossible.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 02:12 PM
Feb 2021

And that phenomenon is more common in the upper south. Look at the storm this week and the forecast for next. Ice across the mid south and lower Ohio valley and snow in the north.

On black ice just don’t drive. Sounds like these folks were driving on dry pavement one moment and then hit ice.

Tragic.

LeftInTX

(25,707 posts)
25. It's a "climate atmosphere" thing
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 03:10 PM
Feb 2021

Up north above freezing: It snows
Down south below freezing: Freezing rain

In the south, a warm atmosphere is what causes freezing rain, drizzle, and frog (freezing fog)

I'm from Wisconsin and never experienced freezing rain until I came to Texas.

I missed the great Wisconsin ice storm of March 1976, because I lived too far north.









LeftInTX

(25,707 posts)
26. I'm from Wisconsin and did not see an ice storm until I moved to Texas
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 03:17 PM
Feb 2021

"2 inches sticking to the ground", sounds more like snow to me.

Ice storms are more dangerous than 2 inches of snow...

Sure, southerners will have trouble driving in 2 inches of snow, but no one is safe on ice.

Don't know where in the south this was....

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
24. Privatization is such wonderful thing.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 02:53 PM
Feb 2021

No maintenance, repair. Power companies won't trim the trees until they pull the lines down, why power gets cut when there are storms, handy.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,229 posts)
27. FWIW, the owners of the trees are responsible to keep
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 03:19 PM
Feb 2021

them trimmed. More importantly, they shouldn't plant trees were they will hit power lines.

Regarding the maintenance of the toll road, people pay to use the toll roads so they can drive faster. Even if they sanded the lanes, no one should have been driving over 50 mph, maybe slower. The video of the FedEx truck I saw, it was probably going 70+.

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