No. 2 GOP senator suggests he's open to censuring Trump

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Source: The Hill

Sen. John Thune (S.D.), the No. 2 Republican senator, indicated on Friday that he could be open to censuring former President Trump, depending on how the resolution was framed.

Asked about censuring Trump, Thune indicated that proposals are floating around but noted that it would need to be "effective."

"I know there are a couple of resolutions out there. ... I've seen a couple of resolutions at least that I think could attract some support," Thune told reporters.


Pressed if he was saying the resolutions could get support from him, he added: "Yeah."

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/no-2-gop-senator-suggests-hes-open-to-censuring-trump/ar-BB1dDhWU?ocid=DELLDHP&li=BBnb7Kz

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No. 2 Senator? as in Thune's a turd.

[dawg day]

1. He can write his own damn censure resolution

The majority of senators want to CONVICT.

[elleng]

2. Resolutions won't do it, tho good he's recognized the BAD;

MUST convict to prevent him from public 'service' again.

[groundloop]

8. Public service would be the public serving Benedict Donald

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

11. Isn't that what taxpayers are doing now, by funding T****'s retirement?

I mean, for God's sake, why the hell are we paying for Secret Service protection of his millionaire children?

[TomDaisy]

3. more rope-a-dope shell game bullshit

[magicarpet]

4. He must be barred from serving any government office,...

... of public trust into perpetuity.

That is non-negotiable.

[Irish_Dem]

5. Question: why would Trump obey this order? He doesn't obey any other rule or order.

He does what he wants to do and has the power of the mob to back him up.

[magicarpet]

6. Order of the US Senate... maybe attach $5m fine,...

...if he breaks the order. Then immediately haul his ass into court. As soon as he files for any/every/all election of public office.

(The $5M for legal fees to keep his ass out.)

[Irish_Dem]

7. He would just refuse to pay the fine and take it to an endless court battle.

There seems to be no deterrent for him.
Especially now.

[AntiFascist]

9. Why not introduce the necessary legislation to bar Trump from holding office in the future?

This may not necessarily depend on conviction for impeachment by the Senate:

https://apnews.com/article/barring-trump-holding-office-again-f477c7ddc7ad0cc91a5fb86d12b007f0

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IS THAT THE ONLY WAY TRUMP CAN BE BARRED FROM OFFICE?

Maybe not. In an opinion piece published in The Washington Post on Monday, Yale Law School professor Bruce Ackerman and Indiana University law professor Gerard Magliocca argued that members of Congress have another, perhaps easier, path to barring Trump from office.

They pointed to the Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, aimed at preventing people from holding federal office if they are deemed to have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the Constitution.

The professors write that if a majority vote of both houses agree that Trump engaged in an act of “insurrection or rebellion,” then he would be barred from running for the White House again. Only a two-thirds vote of each house of Congress in the future could undo that result.

[Lokee11]

21. After the repukes refuse to convict, how would they go about this?

What are the procedural rules, I do not believe it has ever been done prior?

It sure does seem like a viable option after these cowards chose Chump over country - one that maybe should have even been done initially?

I am not a Con Law expert so maybe not but seems pretty clear cut:

Fourteenth Amendment
Section 3
No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Amdt14.S3.1 Disqualification from Holding Office
Amdt14.S3.1.1 Disqualification Clause

✊!

[AntiFascist]

24. Here's a more up-to-date and thorough explanation...

https://www.justsecurity.org/74657/time-to-reconsider-the-14th-amendment-for-trumps-role-in-the-insurrection/
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Thus, the objective to hold Trump accountable could be accomplished by section 3 resolutions passed by a majority of either or both chambers – regardless of the outcome of his impeachment trial in the Senate. By concluding that Trump’s actions came within the ambit of that provision’s disqualification elements, Congress would be sending a powerful message to him, the American public and any future judicial officer considering his effort to avoid its consequence.

By distinguishing this as an act fixing the qualifications of a future office holder, rather than a penalty affixed to a crime, it works around the argument that this would be an "unconstitutional bill of attainder by statute rather than a criminal trial."

I also believe, however, that there is plenty of evidence supporting criminal prosecution of the conspirators behind inciting the insurrection, including Giuliani who called for "trial by combat".

[Lokee11]

27. Thanks for the info - I Appreciate it.

✊!

[keithbvadu2]

10. First the trial and the vote on record.

First the trial and the vote on record.

[dchill]

12. And I'm open to convicting him.

[BlueIdaho]

13. A Censure is all about assuaging the guilt of GQP Senators.

A curse on them all for considering such a meaningless cowardly act.

[GeorgeGist]

14. Ooooooooo how frightening.

Said nobody ever.

[Kaleva]

15. Would a censure require a simple majority?

[TygrBright]

16. ::yawn:: Are they also "very concerned"? n/t

[COL Mustard]

17. Censure......

Bailiff, take that man out and whack his pee-pee. That's censure for you.

[Bettie]

19. But not to convict him

censure means nothing, that's why some of them are willing to do it.

[forgotmylogin]

28. As long as censure means no future government office for Rump...

...and while they're at it, take away the pension, health benefits, and Secret Service protection.

[Nitram]

20. Typical political move: he's playing both sides. He won't vote for a conviction, but he can tell

moderates that he tried to censor Trump instead.

[Bayard]

22. Not good enough

One of the main points is to discourage similar behavior in the future from other presidents.

[ffr]

23. Wimp!

Coward.

Pansy.

[bucolic_frolic]

25. "Naughty boy! Do it better next time, so we win!" /nt

[turbinetree]

26. Fuck you Thune, you made your bed last year when you were giving the opportunity to had have

this "guy" because he is not a man removed, he is a traitor , with a fucking censure, it does nothing, fucking support, your leader tried to kill you and others and you think a slap on the wrist will solve the problem............resign, your a disgrace........you had /have a dead police officer, you think a censure is good enough for the dead police officer defending you...